Best way to break up identicals

[Slava]

If there are two identical where one is the mentor and the other a student, the best way to break them is to tell the student that hes the mentor's bitch. This works because the student in an identical relation takes on the role of the other identical's dual, making the statement above true. Being an ENTp/INTj probably ENTp though, I have a plethora of algorithms for destroying relationships. I don;t use it for evil though but sometimes people need my help to get out of relationships so they have me do the dirty work. The reason I know how to do this btw is because I study and observe relationship with great focus because I'm not good at maintaining them, and therefore notice all the factors that lead to a downfall, usually Fe factors, jealousy, pride, hate, suspicion.....

[Ms. Kensington]

i was actually just deciding today that I think you seem more ENTp than INTj.

I was confused.

EDIT made to contribute to the thread:

I have experienced the bitch switch with comparatives.

[UDP]

Yeah, you must be ENTp. That is not exactly Paladin-esque. ( just kidding)


AS for how to bust them up.... I don't know, maybe point out how identicle they are. Ask them where the mystery or spice in their relationship is. Talk about maturity, or being babied (always something good).

Tell them that they are not psycholgocailly productive, but psychologically sheltering each othere, and thereby being pussies for not wanting psychological growth!

[Polly]

It may very well be you are an ENTp, at first I was thinking INTj but then I realized I used to do that kind of stuff a lot. I just got burned so many times by people using my words and manipulating them in a ways I hadn't intended that I'm much more careful in who I share my observations with.

I focused more on helping people but if people did approach me asked me for help in that area, I may have very well gave it. I like sharing my ideas so much that I loved any opportunity to solve a problem, especially if it extradited a friend from an unpleasant situation.

Its how I gave to my friends and sometimes still do. I can't always be that warm and fuzzy friend who will be there consistently but when they had a problem that required advice, I was usually very helpful.

What is obvious to me about people's behaviors is not obvious to others. However, I completely suck at chosing who to share my observations with. I'm getting better at it as I get older but when I was younger, I got myself in trouble quite a bit.

It never ceases to amaze me how I can be so adept at being aware in one area and completely blind in another. Some people I attract only because I can solve their problems for them. They see me as a tool and I don't even realize it. But give me a friend in the same situation and its plain as day and I'll advise them to get themselves out of the friendship.

[Slava]

Edit...changed my mind lol

What did you post before? My Ne is killing me. Oh wait is this a trick to see if my Ne is killing me to see if I'm ENTp so you can be like haaa you are ENTp! Oh crap I am ENTp, thank you Polly . time to DL some ISFp porn... ooh Missy Monroe.. Jenna Jameson... hot!.....

[olduser]

is there chance for these relationship's evening out?

[Slava]

is there chance for these relationship's evening out?

Probably depends which type pair it is, because supperiority is handled differently by each. However societal norms are reletively constant and reletively global.

[Ms. Kensington]

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[Polly]

I reposted hehe...

I still think there is a bit of INTjness there though. It wasn't in what you said but how you kind of said it. It came across to me initially as an INTj so I can definately see the confusion.

I didn't know until later on in life that what I could do was kind of a gift. I thought everyone could do it and didn't quite notice how I was the only one around me able to.

I can definately emphathize with how it takes an ENTp until later on life to start getting comfortable in their own skin.

[Slava]

I reposted hehe...

I still think there is a bit of INTjness there though. It wasn't in what you said but how you kind of said it. It came across to me initially as an INTj so I can definately see the confusion.

I didn't know until later on in life that what I could do was kind of a gift. I thought everyone could do it and didn't quite notice how I was the only one around me able to.

I can definately emphathize with how it takes an ENTp until later on life to start getting comfortable in their own skin.

I was an immigrant from Ukraine, no siblings, and my dad is ISFj and kids made fun of me and America is ENTj... so it made being myself very difficult, many of my teachers and peers tried to mess with my head too. I've recently started becoming myself more however and being more open with people, but people relations are very difficult as I sometimes feel a paracitic tendency esp when my Ne sees loopholes, but slap myself on the wrist and let go of the unethical opportunities. On the other hand how else would techy people come about without that kind of background.

Edit: Being open and having a personality causes one to have enemies, which is not something that someone who wants to be loved would want. ESFps and their peers try very hard and use many tactics to keep sleeping ENTps asleep. They profile and create labels and much more. Some people esp those with Fi make recovery feel like betrayal.

[Polly]

many of my teachers and peers tried to mess with my head too

I can completely relate. My peers despised me as a child. It made me suffer from social anxiety. ENTps are very misunderstood as children and I think a lot of us slip through the cracks if we aren't properly nurtured.

We are bright, but seen as manipulative. We just test our boundaries different than other children and need a firm understanding of ethics. My ESFj mom was a master of guilt for me in this area when I stepped out of line.

I was punished by so many people for being me when all they really needed to do to get me to comply was change their approach a bit e.g. appreciate me, understand I have a VERY difficult time focusing on details, stop punishing me for following my natural instincts to explore but instead explain to me boundaries and why they are there. Basically, I would follow rules if there were necessary reasons for them (well most times ).

Even as a child though, I could see there were all kinds of unnecessary rules which impeded my growth so just refused to follow them. I didn't think of it in those terms then though. It was more like...I see no reason not to do this despite what I'm told.

School was not a good experience for me. Schools tend to start with the basics and work children up to larger concepts. I needed to be taught the opposite way. I need to know the larger concepts and work my way down. Without knowing that larger concept and purpose, I found it very difficult to focus.

I had to deal with a lot of anger from people because they knew I was smart but just called me lazy.

When you start hitting adulthood you start to realize just how wrong everyone was to do what they did. That's when things start to turn and you start taking control over your own life.

I did this Disney Personality test for fun and came out as the characters Ariel and Mulan. I think they describe the more positive side of the ENTp well.

We may be difficult to authoritarian figures and disobey rules but we are actually very good hearted people who, despite an insatiable curiousity, will struggle in the end to always do the right thing.

[Slava]

many of my teachers and peers tried to mess with my head too

I can completely relate. My peers despised me as a child. It made me suffer from social anxiety. ENTps are very misunderstood as children and I think a lot of us slip through the cracks if we aren't properly nurtured.

We are bright, but seen as manipulative. We just test our boundaries different than other children and need a firm understanding of ethics. My ESFj mom was a master of guilt for me in this area when I stepped out of line.

I was punished by so many people for being me when all they really needed to do to get me to comply was change their approach a bit e.g. appreciate me, understand I have a VERY difficult time focusing on details, stop punishing me for following my natural instincts to explore but instead explain to me boundaries and why they are there. Basically, I would follow rules if there were necessary reasons for them (well most times ).

Even as a child though, I could see there were all kinds of unnecessary rules which impeded my growth so just refused to follow them. I didn't think of it in those terms then though. It was more like...I see no reason not to do this despite what I'm told.

School was not a good experience for me. Schools tend to start with the basics and work children up to larger concepts. I needed to be taught the opposite way. I need to know the larger concepts and work my way down. Without knowing that larger concept and purpose, I found it very difficult to focus.

I had to deal with a lot of anger from people because they knew I was smart but just called me lazy.

When you start hitting adulthood you start to realize just how wrong everyone was to do what they did. That's when things start to turn and you start taking control over your own life.

I did this Disney Personality test for fun and came out as the characters Ariel and Mulan. I think they describe the more positive side of the ENTp well.

We may be difficult to authoritarian figures and disobey rules but we are actually very good hearted people who, despite an insatiable curiousity, will struggle in the end to always do the right thing.

::Huggggggggg::

[Polly]

::Huggggggggg::

[pesto]

Even as a child though, I could see there were all kinds of unnecessary rules which impeded my growth so just refused to follow them. I didn't think of it in those terms then though. It was more like...I see no reason not to do this despite what I'm told.

School was not a good experience for me. Schools tend to start with the basics and work children up to larger concepts. I needed to be taught the opposite way. I need to know the larger concepts and work my way down. Without knowing that larger concept and purpose, I found it very difficult to focus.

I had to deal with a lot of anger from people because they knew I was smart but just called me lazy.

Heh. Me too. So this is an thing then? It makes sense because you can't really learn geography using morals. Well, probably made me stick to the rules a bit more and break them a little "smoother", but I definitely relate. And people were more disappointed in me than angry, because I'm a saint. :wink:

[Polly]

INFj saints

The INFj I knew closest was more of a non-conformist than a rule breaker per say. Some unnecessary rules would provoke emotional response in him. This is WRONG. Then a rant may ensue.

When I look at a rule I see its purpose. Quite often I find, people who enforce the rules can't always differentiate between why the rule was put there vs the unintended impacts this rule might have.

Many will follow the rule blindly despite the negative impacts being plain as day. Some might misinterpret and misapply rules. To those types, they don't feel its their role to question. Those more informed than them created the rule so they must know what they were doing.

Quite often when I'm breaking a rule, I don't really feel like I'm breaking that particular rule provided I didn't violate why that rule was placed there.

It's why I don't get in trouble as an adult for breaking company policy quite often. When I explain why I did it, quite often my superiors are thankful.

[pesto]

The INFj I knew closest was more of a non-conformist than a rule breaker per say. Some unnecessary rules would provoke emotional response in him. This is WRONG. Then a rant may ensue.

When I look at a rule I see its purpose. Quite often I find, people who enforce the rules can't always differentiate between why the rule was put there vs the unintended impacts this rule might have.

These are both true for me. But I agree that ENTps break rules more often and somewhat differently. Sometimes I obey rules I know are stupid, probably because in some areas I don't want to be a rule breaker. Hmm, I'm not sure I put it right, but something like that.

[Ms. Kensington]

Even as a child though, I could see there were all kinds of unnecessary rules which impeded my growth so...I see no reason not to do this despite what I'm told.

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I needed to be taught the opposite way. I need to know the larger concepts and work my way down. Without knowing that larger concept and purpose, I found it very difficult to focus.

bolded part is very entp, almost the essence of one? I think an INTj is, haha, surprise--the reverse of this statement.