Weak Se and a question about driving

[Becca]

Some of the best drivers in the world are Se ignoring SLI

Se is a function related to static apprehension of qualities of object, color, texture, etc. How is that related to driving? Not at all. Every driver can see. In fact sometimes Se base types are infamous for getting into accidents because they rush through, push through something ignoring it's consequences and getting into accidents or breaking things because of their actions whereas some other type may be extra cautious, be farsighted and plan ahead or just be more concerned about the lives of others in the car with them.

Se is not related to driving ability.

If you're scared of driving, then it comes from another place altogether.

Ha an SLI I know loves driving and is very good at it

[gabrielle]

Some of the best drivers in the world are Se ignoring SLI

Model A - The ignoring function is strong,


"This is a strong (3D according to Bukalov) but unconscious function. One generally has a good grasp of this function"


Therefore, it follows that someone with Se in 7th, such as your SLI example Maritsa, would have a natural affinity for Se tasks.

[suedehead]

I'm wondering how a Se-base with anxiety issues, phobias or who's suffered trauma would pan out, since any sort of inadequacy in regards to dealing with practical/real-life situations seems to be associated with weak Se. Perhaps there'd be more of a propensity to push through it regardless.

[Slacker]

I am a bad driver, but I have attention issues, and I basically pay no attention to where I'm going. I accidentally went north today instead of south on the expressway, and I went an embarrassing distance before realizing what I did.

[dandelion]

I’m afraid too. When I’m doing something like walking or biking longer than ~ 15 minutes I tend to space out – in a car it could be dangerous.
I don’t like to make instant decisions.
I don’t like to do several things at once: pedals, steering wheel, mirrors, people on the sidewalk , street light.
It’s easy to drive in a parking lot, when my dad says when someone is coming - I stop the car. I can’t imagine driving (normal road) when something unexpected might happen.

[Trevor]

say a prayer before driving or being driven, works for me

[Aylen]

I have been in two bad accidents where others were in critical condition but I was barely hurt. I was not driving either time. The first accident a boyfriend's drunk brother drove us into a house and the second time a drunk biker was giving me a ride and we hit a curvy road and he lost control we flipped and ended up top down in a ditch. I was pretty young at the time and I was worried they would have to cut my hair because it was very long and when we flipped the back glass broke and my hair got trapped under the roof of the truck. Once the fire department determined the truck was not going to catch fire or explode they proceeded to dig me out.

The whole time they were digging me out they kept reassuring me that my face was not destroyed because I wiped my face and there was blood. All my wounds were superficial but they did have to use some tweezers or something to get the broken glass out of my head and one piece was under my left eye. I have no scars. The guy driving and the other passenger were both hurt. The driver was airlifted to the hospital with many internal injuries. It took him months to recover.

I am not afraid of cars but more apprehensive when others drive. I use my imaginary brakes on the passenger side, at times.

Edit: when the truck started flipping I automatically imagined a bubbled of protection surrounding me. It appears to have worked. It's these type of experiences that make me question why was I spared and others weren't. It used to be a guilt trip for me.

[Hays]

I use my imaginary brakes on the passenger side, at times.

Glad you were barely hurt in those accidents you were involved in.
And Lol, I also at times use imaginary brakes - its a pity they never work.

[ClownsandEntropy]

Me [Driving]: "AAAARRGGHH!"
Passenger: "What's wrong, Clowns!?"
Me: "I'm SO BORED!

[Erk]

What Maritsa? What did you say? EH?

[gabrielle]

Remembered a funny from years ago regarding driving ability. I was at an extended family camping trip we used to do. It was a provincial park, not remote camping. So you'd park your car at the entrance to the camp site. I took the car for some reason, I can't recall and was backing it into the spot it was in before. I ended up bumping a tree. Not very hard and no damage, since I was barely moving. But, I was only a few feet from everyone sitting around the ajoined sites, all of whom went, "Woahhhh"

I got out of the car slightly embarrassed. After enduring the shocked looks and teasing and "How could you manage to hit a huge tree that was RIGHT THERE??!!!" incredulous questioning, I blithely stated, "Hey, I'm usually a really good driver, and parker, but there's no trees in the mall parking lot."
My ENTj brother-in-law laughed so hard.

[Amber]

My LSI husband amazes me at his lightening quick reflexes on the road. It's more than just reflexes though. I am quick and have therefore missed getting hit many times, but there have been other times when I haven't. Being able to attend to that much incoming concrete info drains me. Se is my mobilizing. So, I like it in certain ways but not the most skilled at it. Funnily enough, I used to think I was a brilliant and great driver. Fooling myself...

I think I'd actually be happy to get around by horse and carriage.

My LSI ex could take control of a dangerous situation while driving and make the best of several fractions of a second. He saved us once from getting hit dead by a truck
(after he explained everything to me, I understood what he meant). Apparently I was kind of absorbed in what I was saying during our discussion and have hardly noticed what was on the verge of happening. I mostly noticed his arm got all of a sudden more tense and his face grew still. So well, it's not like I'm always getting wrapped in thoughts or in some content I'm talking about, but without any doubt my reflexes are weaker than his - technically speaking. I don't mean sensing people or contexts that require strategic maneuvering of opportunities or info. Just in situations as the one I described. I attributed this to Se.

[aixelsyd]

Not sure how much of the OP is type related. However, what I have noticed is that sensors typically have a better control of speed and distance. Two Alpha NTs I know are not very consistent with the distance they maintain between cars and are not consistent with speed and don't always slow down as quickly as they should resulting in near fender benders as well as flying through turns. As a passenger, I can feel the lack of control but it doesn't seem to bother them as drivers. But that sort of thing I associate with weak Se. I'm not saying all with weak Se are bad drivers at all, but I don't think someone naturally strong with Se would drive with poor control in that manner unless they are just reckless.

Though I don't own a car and haven't driven as much as others, I do regulate my speed and distance very well, granted I like to keep more distance than less between myself and the car in front of me. I also can feel in my gut if I'm going too fast for the type of road I'm on. I don't care for driving at high speeds, in part because I'm not used to highways or freeways. I don't feel any desire to floor it, to go too fast, or to do anything otherwise reckless. I associate that with immaturity or being an adrenaline junkie more than anything else.

[krieger]

my guess is that between the two extremes of overconfidence and underconfidence, type mostly determines what *kind* of mistakes a person makes and by what dogmatic criterion s/he self-assesses as a "good driver". something like 90% of drivers identify as above averagely skilled, but my guess is they don't all mean the same thing by it.

[willekeurig]

It took me twice as many lessons as it does for the average person to get my licence. I was super bad in the beginnig, it's basically a miracle they let me pass. Here you need to go back to driving school after two years, to be evaluated etc. Luckily my evaluation teacher was super good (and LSE haha) and after just one lesson I've been driving a million times better than I used to. I'm still bad, but I don't consider myself a serious threat to anyone's safety anymore. My driving style just isn't very ecological and I'm bad at reading the traffic so I try to play it safe. I like driving tho, especially at night when the roads are empty and I can play good music it can be super relaxing.

[Beautiful sky]

Bad driving has to do with lack of attention rushin weather driving conditions recklessness irresponsibility...all kinds of things. I have friends of almost every type and driving accident trends varry. One SEI may be very cautious and another in their head to the point of living in their head. One SEE may pay perfect attention and another be a nurotic rush. I have Se as a conscious function and drive like a grandma being very worried of hurting others and my passangers. I pay full attention but I drive slowly

[consentingadult]

.... but I drive slowly

Those drivers are usually the most dangerous!

[Beautiful sky]

Those drivers are usually the most dangerous!

I live in the heart pf car city...LA and I have a perfect driving recoed with no accidents...those numbers are very telling

[consentingadult]

I live in the heart pf car city...LA and I have a perfect driving recoed with no accidents...those numbers are very telling

That's very typical of slow drivers indeed: they themselves are often not involved in the accidents they cause .... ;-)

[Beautiful sky]

That's very typical of slow drivers indeed: they themselves are often not involved in the accidents they cause .... ;-)

Hahaha

[aixelsyd]

Those drivers are usually the most dangerous!

My father (LSE, fwiw) says the same thing. And there's a lot of truth to it. Drivers who are reckless are bad enough, but most accidents are caused by drivers who aren't paying attention or are set up by going way under the speed limit.

[SyrupDeGem]

My father (LSE, fwiw) says the same thing. And there's a lot of truth to it. Drivers who are reckless are bad enough, but most accidents are caused by drivers who aren't paying attention or are set up by going way under the speed limit.

How does that work? The not paying attention I understand (though I imagine they would/could also be in the accident) but by driving slowly... I don't understand, explain it for me.

[SyrupDeGem]

Because slow drivers disrupt the flow of traffic—if most on a road are driving ~100km/h, while one person insists on driving 80km/h, that's going to create problems.

Yah but I can understand how it could create jams and disrupt flow but how does it make slow drivers so dangerous?

[SyrupDeGem]

The ensuing disruptions facilitate accidents to occur?

I don't see it. I can better understand how a speeding vehicle can cause an accident.

[SyrupDeGem]

Both slow and fast drivers can cause accidents but I hate slow drivers more because I'm an impatient fuck.

lol, I can be quite impatient when driving also. I wonder if it's the response of impatient drivers that cause the accidents though, rather than the slow drivers themselves. I mean they would have to go super super slow to actually cause an accident... e.g be still in the middle of a junction after the lights turn red.

[consentingadult]

lol, I can be quite impatient when driving also. I wonder if it's the response of impatient drivers that cause the accidents though, rather than the slow drivers themselves. I mean they would have to go super super slow to actually cause an accident... e.g be still in the middle of a junction after the lights turn red.

When learning to drive in the Netherlands the principle is: within the bounds of traffic laws, go with the flow. One shouldn't force a particular flow by creatively using the bounds of traffic laws. E.g. in the Netherlands there is no minimum speed on highways (there used to be, but they abolished it). Still, if you drive 60 kmph on a highway where 120kmph is allowed and most people drive around 100-120kmph, you can be fined for not going with the flow and be a potential danger to other drivers. An extreme example, but sometimes you do run into overaged ladies in tiny cars who drive like this.

[SyrupDeGem]

When learning to drive in the Netherlands the principle is: within the bounds of traffic laws, go with the flow. One shouldn't force a particular flow by creatively using the bounds of traffic laws. E.g. in the Netherlands there is no minimum speed on highways (there used to be, but they abolished it). Still, if you drive 60 kmph on a highway where 120kmph is allowed and most people drive around 100-120kmph, you can be fined for not going with the flow and be a potential danger to other drivers. An extreme example, but sometimes you do run into overaged ladies in tiny cars who drive like this.

Yes I understand this. I know how slow driving can also cause disturbances in traffic I'm just not convinced they are more dangerous than speeding drivers or reckless drivers. I see no real indication or reason for that at all. Apart from possibly causing road rage which may lead to panic/mistakes/accidents.

[consentingadult]

Yes I understand this. I know how slow driving can also cause disturbances in traffic I'm just not convinced they are more dangerous than speeding drivers or reckless drivers. I see no real indication or reason for that at all. Apart from possibly causing road rage which may lead to panic/mistakes/accidents.

For the record: I myself never said anything about speeding or reckless drivers.

[SyrupDeGem]

For the record: I myself never said anything about speeding or reckless drivers.

Yeah but you did say that 'those drivers' (in ref to slow drivers) are usually the most dangerous. If they are usually the most dangerous it stands to reason that there is an implication they are more dangerous than reckless or speeding drivers.

Wow, doe stat make sense, just looked over it and all i see is squiggles.

[consentingadult]

Yeah but you did say that 'those drivers' (in ref to slow drivers) are usually the most dangerous. If they are usually the most dangerous it stands to reason that there is an implication they are more dangerous than reckless or speeding drivers.

Wow, doe stat make sense, just looked over it and all i see is squiggles.

Ah I see. Well, the context in which i said that, was a bit different. I was just pulling Maritsa's leg, hence the way I phrased it.

[Kill4Me]

'deep thoughts' with K4M:
you don't gotta be hungry to eat steak.
you don't gotta be thirsty to drink vodka.
you don't gotta be dishonest to count cards.
you don't gotta be pissed off to hate fuck.
you don't gotta be bloodthirsty to spill blood.
you don't gotta be Se to drive well.
'deep thoughts'...with K4M

[Aylen]

Yah but I can understand how it could create jams and disrupt flow but how does it make slow drivers so dangerous?

Slow drivers often have bad timing and will pull out in front of me forcing me to swerve into the other lane or slam on my brakes (if there is a car blocking me from safely going around them). If they must be slow at least pull out fast enough to get into a lane without a fast approaching car in it. Also when slow drivers get into the fast lane and drive 10-20 mph under the speed limit when the slow lane is completely open. This can cause accidents by having to pass on the wrong side and being unable to see another car in your blind spot. It is harder for me to pass on the right... it is much smoother when I pass someone on the left.

[SyrupDeGem]

Slow drivers often have bad timing

Do you believe the two to be synonymous?

I just see it as the people wanting to go faster being irritated. Obviously I don't think people should go against the flow of traffic that's plain idiotic. Why anyone driving slowly would chose to drive in the middle lane when the slow lane is free is beyond me, does that happen much? I don't ever see that.

I don't drive on motorways because I am afraid of having an accident, which is an irrational response to some situations I have had. I do however drive at normal speeds on city roads, sometimes i drive pretty fast too. I have never had an accident... in seven years. I also passed my test first time (which surprised me).

[Aylen]

Do you believe the two to be synonymous?

I just see it as the people wanting to go faster being irritated. Obviously I don't think people should go against the flow of traffic that's plain idiotic. Why anyone driving slowly would chose to drive in the middle lane when the slow lane is free is beyond me, does that happen much? I don't ever see that.

I don't drive on motorways because I am afraid of having an accident, which is an irrational response to some situations I have had. I do however drive at normal speeds on city roads, sometimes i drive pretty fast too. I have never had an accident... in seven years. I also passed my test first time (which surprised me).

I will say I see a connection between slow drivers and bad timing but I don't think that all slow drivers have bad timing. It depends on other contributing factors. Sometimes it is just a lack of awareness. I am like you. Passed test first time. Only accidents I was responsible for was a bumped fender when I was in an altered state of mind, not drug related. Never been the cause of any bad accidents even though I have been in them with other drivers. I usually will assess driving skills of others the first time I ride with them and do not really change my mind once I see for myself. My mom always trusted me more to drive her from age 16 on. She has been in several accidents which were her fault in the sense that she did not anticipate the effects of snow, ice or rain or speed of others. I trust myself so much behind the wheel that I don't use my seat-belt unless I have a "bad feeling" that day. I do ask everyone else to put theirs on though. I am only reckless with my own life...so I don't put other people's lives in danger whether they are in my car or the car next to me.

I love driving on parkways, expressway, interstate... any open roads. I have experienced road hypnosis which is kinda frightening.

[Iris]

I think it is a question of anticipation. When you drive a lot, you get used to certain patterns of behavior. Someone behaving outside the normal pattern of behavior is more likely to be hit or cause a wreck because people are anticipating certain behaviors.

My IEE friend is a good driver, but was in an accident two days ago. A driver in front of her pulled into a parking lot and then slowed way down with part of his car still out on a busy highway. There was no one else in front of him in the parking lot. He was just slowing down because he was from out of town and was feeling confused. My friend saw him turning, and saw that the parking lot was empty as it usually was, and she anticipated that he would keep moving since there were no cars in front of him. Since she wasn't expecting him to almost completely stop, she kept on driving at her normal speed and couldn't keep from hitting him when he unexpectedly slowed down.

Those defensive driver courses are boring, but they are useful because they remind you of unexpected things that can happen, and you are more hopefully more cautious because of that.

[darya]

I don't drive because I feel like I would be too absent-minded. I have problems with noticing details and changes in my environment and it takes a lot of effort for me to stay focused on my souroundings.I bump into things, walk in the wrong direction and trip over even when on foot, so I probably shouldn't be behind the wheel

But I have lots of INXX friends who are perfectly normal drivers, so I'm sure it's not quantum physics

[Beautiful sky]

I don't drive because I feel like I would be too absent-minded. I have problems with noticing details and changes in my environment and it takes a lot of effort for me to stay focused on my souroundings.I bump into things, walk in the wrong direction and trip over even when on foot, so I probably shouldn't be behind the wheel

But I have lots of INXX friends who are perfectly normal drivers, so I'm sure it's not quantum physics

Spoken just like an INFp. Have you seen the ESTJ INFJ video?

[darya]

Spoken just like an INFp. Have you seen the ESTJ INFJ video?

Hm, no, I haven't. Why? Can you send me the link?

[Amber]

I don't drive because I feel like I would be too absent-minded. I have problems with noticing details and changes in my environment and it takes a lot of effort for me to stay focused on my souroundings.I bump into things, walk in the wrong direction and trip over even when on foot, so I probably shouldn't be behind the wheel

But I have lots of INXX friends who are perfectly normal drivers, so I'm sure it's not quantum physics

For me it's something learned ...as so many things in life. I think Sensing people are naturally a bit better at driving. STs in particular. I know a ILI-Ni who didn't get into any accidents (it's kind of hard in Germany), but he'd always piss me off for driving too slow when we happened to be in the same car. Not to mention that once he missed the right route cause he didn't see some signs on time.

[Beautiful sky]

Hm, no, I haven't. Why? Can you send me the link?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPeDAVDfS10