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    Default Songs that reflect the Romantic Styles.

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    Thinking caregiver for this one.

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    "I'm not the one who's so far away"

    "When I ought to be thinking of heaven he will nail me to earth"

     







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    "When I ought to be thinking of heaven he will nail me to earth"

     







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    My Victimy contribution: I love this song. And as a bonus here is a video of what happens when a fight breaks out at a concert during this song.
    You seek a great fortune, you three who are now in chains. You will find a fortune, though it will not be the one you seek.
    But first you must travel a long and difficult road, a road fraught with peril.
    You shall see things, wonderful to tell. You shall see a... cow... on the roof of a cotton house. And, oh, so many startlements.
    I cannot tell you how long this road shall be, but fear not the ob-stacles in your path, for fate has vouchsafed your reward.
    Though the road may wind, yea, your hearts grow weary, still shall ye follow them, even unto your salvation
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pukq_XJmM-k

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    "When I ought to be thinking of heaven he will nail me to earth"

     







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    This strike me as...

     




     



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    ne-ego (delta > alpha)

     

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    and probably alpha

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    ILE-SEI childlike-caregiver




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    Wondering what this is.



    Seemed vaguely infantile upon the first listen.

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    How's this for Se-creative.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Suedehead View Post
    Wondering what this is.

    Seemed vaguely infantile upon the first listen.
    the typings that I've seen on here had John Lennon as ILE and Yoko Ono as SEI so you could be right.

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    Two victimy songs I fall back on when I am going through relationship problems. Mixed with my E Type 4 this is some good wallowing in misery material. hah




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    I'm curious if this can be "typed"? Following up on @Aylen's post - the below was (among others) my wallowing in misery material, yet energising and strength-inducing at the same time




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    @aisa me too...i have a playlist and those are on it... so empowering too.

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    @Aylen hmm... this is making me even more curious how much of it is and isn't type related. Cause while our tastes overlap with regard to the songs I posted, I have a hard time listening to Evanescence and the second Seether song you posted I enjoy as long as I don't hear Amy Lee's vocals... I appreciate the music etc and I can see she has a good voice, but it's a personal preference that I can barely stand her.
    Female vocal that I enjoy would be Joan Jet>Amy Lee. Hmm when I think about it, maybe it is that Amy Lee seems too "victimy" for my liking... she just seems whiny in my perception. And it's not necessarily the subject of her songs but how her voice and everything comes together. (But I do prefer the Seether "Broken" lyrics> Evansecence "Going Under")

    Joan Jett

    seems like a female version of this Bon Jovi song:

    I enjoy both of them. And just love Bon Jovi oldies.

     
    When I come to think about it - there's this one favourite place of mine that plays rock and metal, mostly oldies. And I love this place, I used to have a LIE friend who loved this place and my LSI friend loves this place too. But when I think of our tastes in music - even within those genres we overlap, yet vary. LIE used to hang out with the heavy metal crowd. I was never into metal. And when LSI gets really down she listens to music that I'd call "whiny". I'm sure it works both ways with them and some of my music tastes. It shows when we plan to go to some concert with my LSI friend - sometimes we both jump up and say "wow, yeah I'd really like to go" - I think we'd both enjoy Kings of Leon for example. And sometimes she's like "hey, let's go" and I'm like "I'd have to force myself, go with smn else" and it goes both ways, sometimes she's like "noo, go with smn else". It sounds like we attend lots of concerts lol, which isn't true unfortunately.


    edit: I started listening to Bon Jovi The Best Of after posting the above, I might as well post this one, I was surprised I still know the lyrics.
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    Victim :

    Victim-Aggressor Dynamics : S&M

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    Don't dig Fiona , so just objectively speaking.

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    "Dignified Victim"
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    somewhat Aggressor

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    I reread infantile earlier today and this one also seems fitting.



    This romance style is defined by focus on which is static, irrational, and extroverted, with perceptions focused on possibilities and alternatives to the static present reality, which the individual perceives as intrinsically boring and stagnant. This means that an Infantile sees attraction between two individuals as a static state, also from the point of view of the other person, which he tries to "get moving" by actively thinking of variations of the present static state. This accounts for an Infantile's inclination to focus on the mutual attraction, or particularly the attraction felt by the other person, as connected to that person's being exposed to the unexpected, imaginative, fun, even "weird" side of life, reality, and each other, a behavior that can be described as "childlike". This focus leads to a sort of helplessness regarding his own physical well-being as perceived by , so he welcomes help from others in that area.


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    basically the caregiver-infantile seems like a bit "milder" version of agressor-victim. I don't think the names (let's be honest each an every one of them somewhat offensive) really show the subtleties in differences sometimes. Probably the quadra also influences how the relations play out. I can only imagine ESE caregiver being different than SLI caregiver, same with SLE agressor vs ESI agressor.
    if it's a spectrum then for the above four (I realise there are more caregivers and agressors than that) I'd place them
    caregiver <---- ESE ---- SLI ---- ESI ---- SLE ----> agressor
    (i.e. song from #33 would be more ESE than SLI, while song #32 doesn't exactly make me think of SLE right away, more like SEE)
    That's the way I see it currently. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

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    Infantile

    "When I ought to be thinking of heaven he will nail me to earth"

     







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    Maybe victim which is the style I gravitate to.


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    Quote Originally Posted by aisa View Post
    basically the caregiver-infantile seems like a bit "milder" version of agressor-victim. I don't think the names (let's be honest each an every one of them somewhat offensive) really show the subtleties in differences sometimes. Probably the quadra also influences how the relations play out. I can only imagine ESE caregiver being different than SLI caregiver, same with SLE agressor vs ESI agressor.
    if it's a spectrum then for the above four (I realise there are more caregivers and agressors than that) I'd place them
    caregiver <---- ESE ---- SLI ---- ESI ---- SLE ----> agressor
    (i.e. song from #33 would be more ESE than SLI, while song #32 doesn't exactly make me think of SLE right away, more like SEE)
    That's the way I see it currently. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
    I mean, when you listen to Frank Ocean's (ESI) lyrics I get subtle victimy/passive/melancholy vibes with the flowery, symbolic language he uses, but you can still sort of tell that he's the 'stronger' one within the dynamic. Like he's just holding it back a bit. It's hard to explain. The Agressor in him's probably more obvious in this one:

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    I'm not seeing all these videos so I apologize is this is a repeat, but a caretaker song about caretaking is The Way I Am by Ingrid Michaelson
    It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.
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    You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep.

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    that'd be my take on caretaker:

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