This pic would actually be good for the/a? Type 5 thread.Originally Posted by Eye eyE
It looks like a good example of 5w4.
I dont think a social last would be a tv-show host...
It's true that most TV-show hosts are probably So/Sp (a la Ellen Degeneres) or So/Sx (a la Jimmy Fallon), however there are some SEE Sx/Sp individuals who become a public figure in the social sphere like Steve Harvey, Elvis Presley, etc. So just because an SEE has a "social" job, doesn't mean they are actually SO first. Gamma SFs (esp. SEE) are considered "Heavy socials", even the SO blindspot ones are often being "sociable" to some degree.
Anyway, I know you don't value Socionics too much, so here is simply a video that shows how Steve values SX very highly and is essentially Sx/Sp:
"I never lived before I met you."
Elvis is sx/so imo. Being a tv-host and social last would be a huge drain and they are just not wired to want to be that.
Romance =/= SX
I could see Steve being so/sx. But I dont care enough to do all the research.
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"I can't have you / But I want you"
Self-preservation minimizes risk while SX does the opposite; a love out of reach, to SP/SX, is exactly what they want and what they crave equally.
Lana is so/sx 4just like you @Cassandra
I think Lana is Sp/Sx 4w3.
I don't relate too much to her.
Lana del ray is like the prototypical sp/sx. That subtle calming effect that is going on in her songs is pretty much this:
sp/sx - dulling, calming, quieting, grounding, descending, lowering, dampening, numbing, desensitizing, exhausting, deadening, extinguishing, making still
Google her, and all you see is light and soc. In her songs she sings about groups and soc stuff too. Full of it. She is not soc last.She has that 'pop star' vibe.
Sp/sx is not 'calming'. 9 is calming. And she probably has a 9 fix.
These songs are undeniably soc
If you want to see an sp/sx 4w3, Stevie Nicks is one for example. And they may be the same tritype. Try to find a song by Stevie Nicks thats about groups and social
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Stevies songs are about her own experiences and that even though shes been through intense pain she still stands strong and you just have to deal (sp).
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Sp/Sx 9s exist too and can be "calming", I guess.Google her, and all you see is light and soc. In her songs she sings about groups and soc stuff too. Full of it. She is not soc last.
Sp/sx is not 'calming'. 9 is calming. And she probably has a 9 fix.
This song is sooo soc
If you want to see an sp/sx 4w3, Stevie Nicks is one for example. And they may be the same tritype.
Yeah, I don't see the SO. She does not look for social validation like an SO first would.
She mostly cares about creating art and making good music.
The descriptions below fit her pretty well too, except perhaps for the part about Sp/Sx 4 not being materialistic; I reckon this stems from the fact that most Sp/Sx 4s are 4w5, and not 4w3.
^ Sources: Labels from Peter O’Hanrahan, parenthesized descriptors from Oscar Ichazo, information from the work of Helen Palmer, Tom Condon, Katherine Chernick & David Fauvre, Don Riso & Russ Hudson, and Sandra MaiSelf-preservation 4
Creative Individualist (dauntless /reckless): Survival is viewed as more symbolic than literal. What’s key is surviving & transmuting the pain of “something missing” into creative expression, often via self-abandonment. Are tenacious & self-contained but not materialistic. Emotional sensitivity hidden behind a practical manner. Accent on creativity in home & garden. Don Quixote, artisans, poets.
Artisan: Earthy, sensuous, & deeply emotional. Aware of aesthetics, light & shadow, colors, shapes, patterns, aesthetics. Create living spaces that symbolize who they are. Tenacious & self-contained but not very materialistic. Much more sensitive than they look. Accent on originality at home, in the garden & in the way they dress.
Imaginative Originator: Inner vision can be translated into creative work in the home & garden. Color, light, fabric, clothing, etc., can express an inner aesthetic born out of a genuine love of beauty. Abandonment is to one’s vision or passion. The dauntless tendency is mostly reflected in a clear & steady boldness of personal expression.
???? To a soc last like me this is obvious that she does, haha. And she makes songs like the ones I posted. How can you say that that's NOT social?Sp/Sx 9s exist too and can be "calming", I guess.
Yeah, I don't see the SO. She does not look for social validation like an SO first would.
Look at my post again.The descriptions below fit her pretty well too, except perhaps for the part about Sp/Sx 4 not being materialistic; I reckon this stems from the fact that most Sp/Sx 4s are 4w5, and not 4w3.
4w3s are more common than 4w5, and that's true for sp/sx ones too. You may believe there are more sp/sx with a 5 wing because sp/sx looks superficially 5 and vice versa. The same with so/sx and 7, sx/sp and 4, and so on.
In the video she's rehashing the aesthetic and zeitgeist of the 50s/60s in an artistic manner.
I find her music and art rather contraflow in this 4w3 Sp/Sx way... The "softness" is from the 9, she's probably 496 tritype.
She obviously goes against the "mainstream current" and popular musical and aesthetic styles (example of a synflow musician is Justin Bieber) by borrowing the style from previous generations. This is not being So/Sx and synflow, this is being contraflow.
Correct me if I am wrong, but in her videos you never see her with friends, instead either alone or with a lover.
So/Sx is *the* friendship stacking; their life revolves around who they are friends with, pretty much. I don't see that with her; she's also got the Sp/Sx "lone wolf" vibe, if you want to include vibes.
I do not find this sp/sx or contraflow at all. Rather, the kind of fairy-tale like romanticism she does is soc.
That's 4 (which is not mainstream, but she is rather mainstream because of her being so/sx. at least to me she's very mainstream and pop-star'ish, probably because I am soc last.) vs 3.She obviously goes against the "mainstream current" and popular musical and aesthetic styles (example of a synflow musician is Justin Bieber) by borrowing the style from previous generations. This is not being So/Sx and synflow, this is being contraflow.
yes thats wrong. look at the national anthem video...Correct me if I am wrong, but in her videos you never see her with friends, instead either alone or with a lover.
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@Ghost: the song "national anthem" is basically about money ... how is that so/sx?
"Money is the reason
We exist.
Everybody knows it
It's a fact.
Kiss, kiss."
..She's making fun of it.
Here she's talking about what it means to be American again. Satire or not, it's still a focus on soc. Compare with Stevie Nicks (sp/sx) songs. To her it's like it doesn't exist. It's the same with other soc firsts like Marilyn Manson (so/sp), he hates society but still focuses ALOT on society.
Play house, put my favorite record on
Get down, get your crystal method on
You were like, tall, tan, driving 'round the city
Flirtin' with the girls like, "You're so pretty."
"Springsteen is the king, don't you think?"
I was like, "Hell yeah, that guy can sing."
Like ooh, ooh, ooh-ooh-ooh
Ooh, ooh, ooh-ooh-oh
You make me crazy, you make me wild
Just like a baby, spin me 'round like a child
Your skin so golden brown
Be young, be dope, be proud
Like an American
Ooh-ooh ooh-ooh, ooh-ooh ooh ooh-ooh
Like an American
Ooh-ooh ooh-ooh, ooh-ooh ooh ooh-ooh
Drive fast, I can almost taste it now
L.A., I don't even have to fake it now
You were like so sick, everybody said it
You were way ahead of the trend, g-get it
Elvis is the best, hell yes
Honey put on that party dress
Like Oh oh oh ohooh
Oh oh oh ohoowoow
You make me crazy, you make me wild
Just like a baby, you spin me round like a child
Your skin so golden brown
Be young, be dope, be proud
Like an American
Ooh-ooh ooh-ooh, ooh-ooh ooh ooh-ooh
Like an American
Ooh-ooh ooh-ooh, ooh-ooh ooh ooh-ooh
Everybody wants to go fast, but they can't compare
I don't really want the rest, only you can take me there
I don't even know what I'm saying, but I'm praying for you
You make me crazy, you make me wild
Just like a baby, you spin me round like a child
Your skin so golden brown
Be young, be dope, be proud
Like an American
Oh oh ohoh oh oh oh ohoohh
Like an American
Oh oh ohoh oh oh oh ohoohh
Like an American
Oh oh ohoh oh oh oh ohoohh
Like an American
Oh oh ohoh oh oh oh ohoohh
Like an American
An Sp/Sx character played by an Sp/Sx actor.
P.S: I'd type both the character and the actor as LSI, probably Se subtype.
An Sp/Sx guy having a date with and hitting on his boss, an So/Sp woman.
He's doing it because he is attracted to her, but also because she's the key for him to make big money.
He uses his Sx skill to seduce the person in a higher position from him (to attain greater financial security or even wealth) – literally and figuratively Enneagram-flow wise.
Watch the movie for more, it is very Sp/Sx.
Similar to "Drive".
P.S: This isn't the original scene from the movie; I couldn't find the original one on YT, so here is a re-enactment.
And Sp/Sx is supposed to be the best match for my Sx/So? Now I'm seriously worried.
Talking about hell: El Diablo.
@Wyrd you probably like the art in sp/sx best because it's quasi 5.
FKA Twigs (Tahliah Barnett) - sp/sx (9?)
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