Inventive

[oceanlife]

Basic Pleasure : recognition
Basic Fear: obscurity

If you are hyper aware of feeling like this:

Dislikes:

obscurity
anonymity
failure
role confusion
anybody getting ahead of you
poverty
being thought inferior
being low in the pecking order
being one-down
dependence
imperfection
poor performance
negative reactions from others
critical judgments of others
evaluation by others
disapproval
being inadequate
being deficient
poor health
mistrust
shame and doubt
guilt
inferiority
isolation
stagnation
low hopes
low expectations

Yet strive in your heart of hearts, your vision of perfection, to be like this:

Likes:

recognition
approval
attention
perfection
always being at one's best
identity
image
status
prestige
success
triumph
greatness
genius
stardom
fame
glory
wealth
inventiveness
cleverness
innovativeness
imagination
intellectualism
romanticism
stylishness
independence
being one-up
trust
autonomy
initiative
industry
intimacy
generativity
high hopes
high expectations

are you still Inventive?

I wonder how much 'missing the mark' affects our self typing. In other words, Inventive is my mark, my bullseye. Yet as an inherently flawed human, I cannot be at my mark at all times. So I fall into my 'dislikes'. If I can see my light at the end of the tunnel being Inventive/Likes, can I still call myself Inventive if I'm more on the side of 'dislikes'?

Would that make me the opposite of Inventive, if I operate more often on the dislikes side? Meaning, I'm more aware of my faults than my acheivements? I have a habit of focusing on my faults, everyplace I missed my mark or haven't acheived it yet.

Maybe this is an Inventive being hard on himself?

thanks-
oceanlife

[detail]

Inventive is not an Oldham type, it's a ptypes type.

[oceanlife]

This page says 'Oldham Inventive'
http://www.the16types.info/types.php?typename=ENTP

I have the Oldham book and yea, I don't think Inventive was in there.

Whichever it is then.

I couldn't find an Oldham type that fit me perfectly. I had tested Sensitive/Idiosynch. Then Solitary.

Inventive is good though.

[oceanlife]

This description is very much like me. Is this common for INTjs? I read an P-Types that inventive correlates best with ENTp

yes that page I referenced was from this 'the16types.com' site. It correlates ENTp with Inventive and it fits me well too. At my best. At most perfect.

[oyburger]

This description is very much like me. Is this common for INTjs? I read an P-Types that inventive correlates best with ENTp

I can identify with a about half from the dislike group and a couple from the likes group.

[oceanlife]

More than anything I want to be recognized. I just can't figure out what I want to be recognized for. Sound like an ENTp problem?

Actually, I do know. Yet I fear one thing being the *only* thing I'm known for, or, being framed by that one thing (boxed in). I greatly fear expectations and being pinned. That's why I hesitate to put myself out there much of the time. I fear it's like one of those nail toys. Where you put your face in them and it makes a relief.

[oceanlife]

This description is very much like me. Is this common for INTjs? I read an P-Types that inventive correlates best with ENTp

I can identify with a about half from the dislike group and a couple from the likes group.

So in recognizing the dislikes (which seem like a 'one-down' position), do you not want to make the flipside come true? The likes? For an example, would you like to turn your obscurity into fame? Your low expectations into high ones?

[oyburger]

Dislikes:

failure
being thought inferior
being low in the pecking order
being one-down
dependence
imperfection
poor performance
negative reactions from others
critical judgments of others
evaluation by others
disapproval
being inadequate
being deficient
poor health
shame and doubt
inferiority


Likes:

perfection
always being at one's best
genius
inventiveness
cleverness
innovativeness
imagination
intellectualism
independence
autonomy
initiative

These are the one's identified with. The ones not here I strongly didn't identify with.
Some of the things I really dislike but an apathetic to the flipside of it (if that makes sense).

But I'm not ENTp, so its no suprise that it doesn't all fit me

[oceanlife]

These are the one's identified with. The ones not here I strongly didn't identify with.
Some of the things I really dislike but an apathetic to the flipside of it (if that makes sense).

But I'm not ENTp, so its no suprise that it doesn't all fit me

right. I was just probing to see if most people (or you then, specifically) can identify traits that hold you back, and see their flipside as well, as being something you strive for.

I may feel obscure, shamed, inadequate, dependent. But immediately want the opposite as my ideal or goal/vision/heaven state.