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    According to what i've been reading on socionicasys.ru, we fear the loss of our suggestible function.
    The suggestible function is one-dimensional, meaning we will go out of the norm to be certain not to miss anything about it.
    The suggestible function is the opposite of our main function and we believe its from other people this energy must come from.
    So for me (fear of Fi) I will go out of my way to make sure everyone is kind to me, some people say i'm a push over, but I don't care. As long as everyone doesn't break the rules, I will always be kind to everyone. The thing is, I never know if people really like me or not, so I prefer to assume I have to win everyone to be liked. I don't even know for sure if someone is my friend ever.

    So yeah, here it is, the main article is right here: http://socionicasys.ru/biblioteka/st...ovanie-strahov
    (use google translate, I use Chrome because it translate automatically)
    Fi
    fear of being rejected, ignored, not accepted into a group boycott - fear to face with disrespect, bullying (humiliation)
    the betrayal of a loved one (may also be released to Te)
    fear of conflict,
    fear manifest unease in the relationship.

    Fe
    fear of being captured by strong emotions,
    fear of getting into a situation where you will pour the strong negative emotions positive or inadequate, while there will not be able to leave,
    fear of violent emotions,
    fear of negative emotions.

    Ti
    confusion, uncertainty and "freeze" when you have something to do BC, but does not work,
    uncertainty: Do I have a right, what do I have rights, then what rules, these rules are interpreted by this situation?
    fear on the status, whether you have the right,
    fear assessment of mental abilities,
    fear of the uncertain situation in the system, their place in society.

    Te
    fear of incompetence,
    fear of starting a new business,
    helplessness in many cases, the inability to decide what to do,
    fear of responsibility to others at work,
    fear that something did not realize not finish,
    fear look unprofessional, not to deal with the business situation
    fear of evaluation as a specialist.

    Ni
    fear nenastuplenija events
    fear of unpredictability,
    fear of passing time,
    predetermination fear, inability to control events,
    fear of unpleasant "surprises" (events)
    fear of prediction (not "croak")
    fear that will not happen the expected and desired.

    Ne
    fear of deception, uncertainty,
    fear that not understand
    fear "hopeless futility" inability to anything to achieve something, insolvency,
    fear of evaluation ("I do not need to evaluate").
    own fear of unpredictability.

    Si
    fear of disease (discomfort)
    fear of evaluation appearance
    fear of old age due to a related senility, ugly appearance, dullness sensations
    fear of embarrassing, unpleasant situations associated with biological aspects: the smells, stains, touch, views, etc., causing the state of embarrassment, shame,
    fear of change on the body.

    Se
    inability to stand up for themselves,
    fear of unwarranted aggression, especially from the group,
    violence
    fear of loss of material
    fear material insolvency
    helplessness in defending and protecting their interests,
    fear that you have to fight and who knows how it will end, including the fear of not calculate the force and cripple man
    fear to admit not only others but also themselves (or thinking about it) that is already sick and need to take action.
    You might have more fears then the ones in your suggestible function, might be in the Polr to (4th function (cuz its also one-dimensional)). But we most likely ignore what is related to our Polr, we don't fear it until it become a nuisance.
    Here is a thought, maybe the fears in this list that we find we have accepted in our life are more likely to be linked to 4th function.
    The fears we have but try not to think about.
    It works for me, I don't really fear the FACT that I can't predict the future. But in the past, our with the use of science, I try to predict what is predictable.

    Anyways.. thoughts?
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    Retyping yourself yet?

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    I actually think it's the total opposite of 4th functional fear. I think your greatest fears should be associated with your most conscious functions and in order of their prevalence. For example, I almost got ran over yesterday, and I didn't even realize it until my boyfriend yelled at me to be careful!


    What would be the benefit of duality if woof (SLE) wasn't already running circles around me while captivating my attention and watching my every move? In other words, I wouldn't have to worry about getting hit by a car with an SLE near me...
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    I don't need an SLE to remind me not to get hit by a car.
    I have to switch to my laptop, tablet didn't translate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lifer View Post
    I actually think it's the total opposite of 4th functional fear. I think your greatest fears should be associated with your most conscious functions and in order of their prevalence. For example, I almost got ran over yesterday, and I didn't even realize it until my boyfriend yelled at me to be careful!


    What would be the benefit of duality if woof (SLE) wasn't already running circles around me while captivating my attention and watching my every move? In other words, I wouldn't have to worry about getting hit by a car with an SLE near me...
    To react quickly to avoid danger is linked to Se, the sense of emergency, Se is your suggestible function so you believe its up to others to act when danger is close, also, not seeing danger coming should be your fear.
    Your polr is Te, so you know you arent good at recalling exactly what happened physically, or you don't know or care about doing things the proper way, or step by step procedures. You might also use this function to joke around, saying that you are rich when you are not, or saying your poor when you are rich, maybe also the ability to lie about what happened in reality with out really feeling bad about it, because to you, the facts aren't what's most important. What''s most important is to keep the peace, keep people happy, so you might hide some facts to save people bad emotions (+Fe, do not want negative emotions).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aylen View Post
    I have to switch to my laptop, tablet didn't translate.
    You can also download the Chrome web browser on your tablet, it will suggest to translate to english automatically.

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    Inability to stand up for myself is indeed one of my greatest fears.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Destroypuppy View Post
    You can also download the Chrome web browser on your tablet, it will suggest to translate to english automatically.
    Thank you. I scanned the article and then had to go look up a couple things. I could see my fear being something dangerous and unexpected. I seem to stay in some kind of "intruder alert" state (it is also protection mechanism). It is usually underlying most of what I do (except when relaxed with people I trust) but I also face that fear a lot and have surrounded myself with people who almost force me to face my fears. I have learned to protect myself using my ability to always have a backup plan. Something in reserve in case of the unexpected. I am not sure what that is called in socionicspeak.

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    looking over those the Fi and Ne fears are closest to home for me.

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    so if you're a Si type you're fine with disease, growing old and feeble, having ugly looks, and living in a tattered stained mess

    and if you're a Se type, then you don't flinch at the idea of violence is committed on you by an angry mob or being unable to pay your bills


    don't most people fear or at least try to avoid things like these? does this sound off to anyone else?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nevero View Post
    so if you're a Si type you're fine with disease, growing old and feeble, having ugly looks, and living in a tattered stained mess

    and if you're a Se type, then you don't flinch at the idea of violence is committed on you by an angry mob or being unable to pay your bills


    don't most people fear or at least try to avoid things like these? does this sound off to anyone else?
    yeah theyre all bad things, but don't any of them resonate any more than any others?
    like you read them and you feel something in your gut?
    whereas others are more like eh, yeah, that would suck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nevero View Post
    so if you're a Si type you're fine with disease, growing old and feeble, having ugly looks, and living in a tattered stained mess

    and if you're a Se type, then you don't flinch at the idea of violence is committed on you by an angry mob or being unable to pay your bills


    don't most people fear or at least try to avoid things like these? does this sound off to anyone else?
    I always thought people that enlist in the military or become police have less fear of violence against them.

    I am not those types but I don't fear growing old at all. I get better with age...I can tell by the women in my family and I am optimistic about future plastic surgery. I don't fear being unable to pay my bills and right now I can't think of a time when I did. I do tend to think that things will work out and when I was short on money someone always helped me out.

    Se fears do resonate more than any of the others listed. I have some phobias but I think those can manifest in any type...like my fear of #13. I am not as afraid of it now because I have learned to desensitize to it since I know it is only superstition. Also an irrational repulsion/fear of clowns which I think is common.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lungs View Post
    yeah theyre all bad things, but don't any of them resonate any more than any others?
    like you read them and you feel something in your gut?
    whereas others are more like eh, yeah, that would suck.
    they do but associating them with socionics in this way makes this chart useless
    many of these are generic fears experienced by almost anyone, i doubt there is a person on this forum who doesn't fear falling sick from some deadly disease or getting beaten up by a group of angry strangers on a street (the ones that hit closest for me were Ne, Te, Se/Si)

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    I would say that the Ne and Te fears resonated most to me.

    I wrote a long ranty email to someone yesterday about my fears of life and I can see how many of them could be categorized under the "Ne" fears.
    Te is a constant struggle.

    I think I can understand some of the Si fears too, only b/c I notice minute details about my body- it's so crazy, I am not really that fussy but I can tell for instance that my body is not functioning as well as it was even a year ago and it makes me really aware of age and mortality. It's like I don't want to notice but I can't help but notice.

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    Si
    fear of disease (discomfort)
    fear of evaluation appearance
    fear of old age due to a related senility, ugly appearance, dullness sensations
    fear of embarrassing, unpleasant situations associated with biological aspects: the smells, stains, touch, views, etc., causing the state of embarrassment, shame,
    fear of change on the body.
    this is pretty good. disease is the one thing I don't have control over and the only thing can undercut my potential to achieve things. disease is the bodily equivalent of a fifth column.

    being aesthetically unpleasing feels like a crime and is a constant source of concern; i wish i had more skills in this area though


    Fi
    fear of being rejected, ignored, not accepted into a group boycott - fear to face with disrespect, bullying (humiliation)
    the betrayal of a loved one (may also be released to Te)
    fear of conflict,
    fear manifest unease in the relations
    this is worrisome to me during the ambiguous phase of getting to know people. then when it happens it's like, whatever, I can handle not being liked by this chump. i do try to avoid unpleasantness though. i'm afraid of hurting other people's feelings and i've gotten somewhat better at putting on a mask of normalcy and stable interaction even when i secretly don't care.

    also, being bullied is a golden opportunity to strike back and prove my deterrence potential. i'm not afraid of rejection at all. you can't hurt my feelings, lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xerx View Post

    also, being bullied is a golden opportunity to strike back and prove my deterrence potential. i'm not afraid of rejection at all. you can't hurt my feelings, lol.
    aw

    ^This is so great.

    My extreme social anxiety (and poor people skills) consistently negatively affect work, life, etc. My isolation and loneliness def poorly affect my daily quality of life. I would say that it's one of the biggest problems I have to overcome.

    I was just undergoing a freakout about never being able to fix this thing, since it's affected me for so many years. Sometimes the pressure is too much b/c I always feel like how people think of you will end up affecting your quality of life more than who you actually are, due to things like coworkers, evaluations, references, societal emphasis on connections to get jobs, etc, unless you're highly skilled or extremely reliable or fill a niche or whatever.

    I always fear that my grotesque mutated brokenness will show up in others' eyes and I will be forced to confront its truth and inevitability through mirroring, or that society's rejection of me will lead to me becoming that which I most fear- someone unable to function in the world b/c others will refuse me work, deprive me of human contact, etc. Now that I've typed that out, I can see how weird that is. But it manifests on such a basic, panic-stricken level (the way these things do.) It's as if being rejected could *literally* lead to starvation and death, lol.

    (^Someone should tag this stuff under info about the "elusive" and "oft-ill-understood" social instinct... )

    I guess luckily I have learned the enneagram, know this is just my brain messing with me, and also see how irrational it is when other neurotic stackings manifest in others- which is probably a good starting point towards growth.

    Ps- was honestly heart warmed by seeing your genuine nonchalance! Sometimes when people express that it comes with a strong tinge of "I'm so cool that I don't care about others plus those who care about others are inferior or stupid or whatever" and at least in this quote it mostly just seemed to be... bemused not caring.

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    The Te ones are definitely the worst for me.
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    The Si one fits, I fear getting old and becoming unhealthy, and I don't like any comments about my appearance because I can't evaluate how accurate they are. It just makes me paranoid.

    The Ne one fits an ISTp I know, he treats the world as though he's expecting to be scammed, and is very cautious about what personal details he shares.

    An SEE I know has commented about how she gets nervous when people move in spontaneous directions. This would fit in with Ni fear of unpredictability.

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    Fi
    fear of being rejected, ignored, not accepted into a group boycott - fear to face with disrespect, bullying (humiliation)
    the betrayal of a loved one (may also be released to Te)
    fear of conflict,
    fear manifest unease in the relationship.


    Fe
    fear of being captured by strong emotions,
    fear of getting into a situation where you will pour the strong negative emotions positive or inadequate, while there will not be able to leave,
    fear of violent emotions,
    fear of negative emotions.

    Ti
    confusion, uncertainty and "freeze" when you have something to do BC, but does not work,
    uncertainty: Do I have a right, what do I have rights, then what rules, these rules are interpreted by this situation?
    fear on the status, whether you have the right,
    fear assessment of mental abilities,
    fear of the uncertain situation in the system, their place in society.

    Te
    fear of incompetence,
    fear of starting a new business,
    helplessness in many cases, the inability to decide what to do,
    fear of responsibility to others at work,
    fear that something did not realize not finish,
    fear look unprofessional, not to deal with the business situation
    fear of evaluation as a specialist.


    Ni
    fear nenastuplenija events
    fear of unpredictability,
    fear of passing time,
    predetermination fear, inability to control events,
    fear of unpleasant "surprises" (events)
    fear of prediction (not "croak")
    fear that will not happen the expected and desired.


    Ne
    fear of deception, uncertainty,
    fear that not understand
    fear "hopeless futility" inability to anything to achieve something, insolvency,
    fear of evaluation ("I do not need to evaluate").
    own fear of unpredictability.

    Si
    fear of disease (discomfort)
    fear of evaluation appearance
    fear of old age due to a related senility, ugly appearance, dullness sensations
    fear of embarrassing, unpleasant situations associated with biological aspects: the smells, stains, touch, views, etc., causing the state of embarrassment, shame,
    fear of change on the body.

    Se
    inability to stand up for themselves,
    fear of unwarranted aggression, especially from the group,
    violence
    fear of loss of material
    fear material insolvency
    helplessness in defending and protecting their interests,
    fear that you have to fight and who knows how it will end, including the fear of not calculate the force and cripple man
    fear to admit not only others but also themselves (or thinking about it) that is already sick and need to take action.
    ..

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    funny, i barely think of the Te stuff. it matters to me, but i tend to take kind of a "whatever will be will be" attitude because i feel like a lot of it depends on how other people will evaluate my talents which may or may not be accurate and i don't have a whole lot of control over it beyond doing my best. and i'm generally confident that i can do job-related things well.

    but the DS function is unconscious, so would that make people less likely to notice fears in that area?

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