JoBlo Challenge give four examples of IEEs on video

**Saberstorm** · 03-20-2014, 03:21 AM

I hope this is not trolling, but Kenneth has too long of a name these days so I must revert to Johanna.... I want to see four examples of his concept of the IEE. I would ask that he not use the Duck Dynasty/ProWrestling nor any red-necks.

They must be on video.

I am just curious.

Perhaps we should contrast them with four IEE examples from JackOliverAaron

I just want to see what you guys see.

**Olduvai** · 03-20-2014, 03:51 AM

I've only seen three other IEEs in my whole life: one is Si Robertson from Duck Dynasty, the other is this guy, and the last is a girl at my work who I never talk to. So I don't think I'll be able to accept this challenge, sorry.

**Saberstorm** · 03-20-2014, 04:08 AM

What are you doing, baby? Come on, surely there is some other IEE out there. I will upload a video of a strange delta I know. See what you think. Plus, my dad was a clone of Si... There are IEEs out there.

**Saberstorm** · 03-20-2014, 04:22 AM

This dude - what do you think he is?
@Kenneth Chesney

**Olduvai** · 03-20-2014, 04:53 AM

Originally Posted by Saberstorm

This dude - what do you think he is?
@Kenneth Chesney

I really enjoyed this video; that bow is bad ass

SLI seems like a possibility; got any more videos of this guy? I want to see more bows

**Saberstorm** · 03-20-2014, 05:25 AM

Sure, waiting for it to upload to youtube...

You think SLI? Not my impression - but an interesting take on him.

It uploaded ... @Kenneth Chesney

**Olduvai** · 03-20-2014, 05:37 AM

Originally Posted by Saberstorm

You think SLI? Not my impression - but an interesting take on him.

What's your impression of him?

**Saberstorm** · 03-20-2014, 05:46 AM

Well ... I just never imagined Fe PoLR ...

Anyway, I think he is either a very odd LSE as (in person) he is identical to Woody Harrison, or that he is a kooky IEE.

**Olduvai** · 03-20-2014, 05:52 AM

Originally Posted by Saberstorm

Well ... I just never imagined Fe PoLR ...

Anyway, I think he is either a very odd LSE as (in person) he is identical to Woody Harrison, or that he is a kooky IEE.

He's too... kind to be LSE. IEE seems out of the question too (I can't say why; I'm getting so burnt out trying to come up with reasons for my typings). Honestly it's between SLI and LIE for me; I'm leaning toward SLI because he has a difficult time coming up with words, and I've never known an LIE to encounter such a difficulty. He makes some fucking nice implements; he's definitely a "craftsman". He's goofy as hell and I find it very endearing.

**Saberstorm** · 03-20-2014, 05:58 AM

LIE??? He is very illogical. To an extreme. It is late and I cannot go into it right now, but he seems utterly incapable of anything I would call logic. He tries to design batteries and other electric devices ... in deeply illogical ways that cannot possibly work.

He thought that as a battery powers a motor it loses positive charge while keeping the negative charge ... tried to build a machine that would capture all the spent negative charges in the batteries ... to create perpetual motion machines. He does that type of stuff all the time. No real logic to him. He seems to be pure intuition ... he seems to have very little logic ... like a Ti PoLR would.

**Olduvai** · 03-20-2014, 06:05 AM

Originally Posted by Saberstorm

LIE??? He is very illogical. To an extreme. It is late and I cannot go into it right now, but he seems utterly incapable of anything I would call logic. He tries to design batteries and other electric devices ... in deeply illogical ways that cannot possibly work.

He thought that as a battery powers a motor it loses positive charge while keeping the negative charge ... tried to build a machine that would capture all the spent negative charges in the batteries ... to create perpetual motion machines. He does that type of stuff all the time. No real logic to him. He seems to be pure intuition ... he seems to have very little logic ... like a Ti PoLR would.

or perhaps he's merely using a logic that you don't understand

**Saberstorm** · 03-20-2014, 07:02 AM

He is using the logic of "I make machines that do not work!"

He has no logic at all. Nobody trusts his logic.

**Olduvai** · 03-20-2014, 03:08 PM

Originally Posted by Saberstorm

He is using the logic of "I make machines that do not work!"

He made a pretty nice bow that was both stylish and functional; I'd like to see you do that.

Originally Posted by Saberstorm

He has no logic at all. Nobody trusts his logic.

"Nobody trusts his logic" = "Saberstorm doesn't trust his logic"; furthermore, "nobody trusts his logic" sounds like Fe to me.

**Saberstorm** · 03-20-2014, 04:14 PM

Bows exist, yes he can execute a plan somebody else developed. Making original ideas is the issue. I was talking about the battery.

**Olduvai** · 03-20-2014, 06:02 PM

Originally Posted by Saberstorm

Bows exist, yes he can execute a plan somebody else developed. Making original ideas is the issue. I was talking about the battery.

so then the issue isn't necessarily his logic (or the supposed lack thereof), it is his alleged "unoriginality" or "failure at originality"

**IBTL** · 03-20-2014, 06:15 PM

I really just find all of this stuff on the internet to satisfy queries. I would have loved to have had a decent, ignorant childhood instead of an INTj's engineering experiment gone wild. Ok?! "Believe" it!

**Saberstorm** · 03-20-2014, 06:38 PM

The failed logic was in his core concept - that batteries retain a negative charge ...

This was his reasoning: A battery starts with a +10 and -10 charge. The motor starts and it now has +9 and -10 charge ... so when the battery is dead, it should spin the motor or a generator backwards ... He spent months drawing sketches of this idea, showing everybody he knew the sketches. They all said polite things to him and then dismissed his ideas as totally wrong.

He then tried to make a battery recharger based on it. He was crestfallen after made it. It obviously did not work.

Why is that illogical ?? If the -10 charge has the power to attract a force +10, it would require an equal or greater force to separate +10 and -10. Thus the operation of the battery would itself require energy input. I do not know that much about electricity, but electrical currents operate machines with a drain on both positive and negative charges. The electrical current is polarized and the polarized charges make a "circuit" (as in loop) around the power grid wherein the charges are always balanced. I do not know exactly how that is done because I have not studied it, but both the + and - charges go away with the action of the battery. They are always symmetrical. The battery goes to +9 and -9 instantly.

That would appear to be Ti because it is axioms (equal force / greater force / symmetry / unity and so on) rather than the actual algorithm (in detail) has to how that works. Anyway, his ability to do Ti is very limited. He uses Te without any balancing Ti.

An SLI would have 4D Ti and should easily grasp ideas like abstract symmetry in electrical devices.

I think he is very creative. I think he has plenty of imaginative ideas. They are not often logical. They fail on the logic, not the imagination. I seem to get along pretty well with him but I often have to correct him. I do not enjoy correcting him. The logic of his original ideas are flawed.

**IBTL** · 03-20-2014, 06:46 PM

Originally Posted by Saberstorm

The failed logic was in his core concept - that batteries retain a negative charge ...

This was his reasoning: A battery starts with a +10 and -10 charge. The motor starts and it now has +9 and -10 charge ... so when the battery is dead, it should spin the motor or a generator backwards ... He spent months drawing sketches of this idea, showing everybody he knew the sketches. They all said polite things to him and then dismissed his ideas as totally wrong.

He then tried to make a battery recharger based on it. He was crestfallen after made it. It obviously did not work.

Why is that illogical ?? If the -10 charge has the power to attract a force +10, it would require an equal or greater force to separate +10 and -10. Thus the operation of the battery would itself require energy input. I do not know that much about electricity, but electrical currents operate machines with a drain on both positive and negative charges. The electrical current is polarized and the polarized charges make a "circuit" (as in loop) around the power grid wherein the charges are always balanced. I do not know exactly how that is done because I have not studied it, but both the + and - charges go away with the action of the battery. They are always symmetrical. The battery goes to +9 and -9 instantly.

That would appear to be Ti because it is axioms (equal force / greater force / symmetry / unity and so on) rather than the actual algorithm (in detail) has to how that works. Anyway, his ability to do Ti is very limited. He uses Te without any balancing Ti.

An SLI would have 4D Ti and should easily grasp ideas like abstract symmetry in electrical devices.

I think he is very creative. I think he has plenty of imaginative ideas. They are not often logical. They fail on the logic, not the imagination. I seem to get along pretty well with him but I often have to correct him. I do not enjoy correcting him. The logic of his original ideas are flawed.

Whatevs "robot", whatevs...

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**Saberstorm** · 03-20-2014, 06:49 PM

Back to the issue - can you identify an IEE anywhere in the world?

**Olduvai** · 03-20-2014, 06:52 PM

Originally Posted by Saberstorm

Why is that illogical ?? If the -10 charge has the power to attract a force +10, it would require an equal or greater force to separate +10 and -10. Thus the operation of the battery would itself require energy input. I do not know that much about electricity, but electrical currents operate machines with a drain on both positive and negative charges. The electrical current is polarized and the polarized charges make a "circuit" (as in loop) around the power grid wherein the charges are always balanced. I do not know exactly how that is done because I have not studied it, but both the + and - charges go away with the action of the battery. They are always symmetrical. The battery goes to +9 and -9 instantly.

I'm sorry but I didn't pay attention to any of that.

Originally Posted by Saberstorm

That would appear to be Ti because it is axioms (equal force / greater force / symmetry / unity and so on) rather than the actual algorithm (in detail) has to how that works. Anyway, his ability to do Ti is very limited. He uses Te without any balancing Ti.

You have a fucked-up conception of Ti. What you're talking about is knowledge; you're criticizing him because he didn't know any better.

Originally Posted by Saberstorm

An SLI would have 4D Ti and should easily grasp ideas like abstract symmetry in electrical devices.

You're equating inherent knowledge of the inner workings of electrical circuits with Ti; perhaps if he had been adequately trained in the subject he would be able to grasp it.

Also, I think this gal is the same type as your unfortunate friend:

**Olduvai** · 03-20-2014, 06:56 PM

Originally Posted by Saberstorm

Back to the issue - can you identify an IEE anywhere in the world?

Originally Posted by Kenneth Chesney

I've only seen three other IEEs in my whole life: one is Si Robertson from Duck Dynasty, the other is this guy, and the last is a girl at my work who I never talk to. So I don't think I'll be able to accept this challenge, sorry.

Also,

Mismatch theory is a concept in evolutionary biology that refers to fluidity in fitness criteria.The essence of mismatch theory is that organisms possess traits (including behavioral, emotional, and biological) that have been passed down through generations, preserved by natural selectionbecause of their adaptive function in a given environment. However, the given environment of the evolutionary period can be quite unlike the current environment. Therefore, traits that were at one time adaptive in a certain environment, are now "mismatched" to the environment that the trait is currently present in. This can present a number of problems for the organism in question.

Also,

Originally Posted by Kenneth Chesney

if human beings were created by natural selection, and if natural selection is an ongoing process, and if IEE "is not much adapted to the real life" (I agree; Ti-PoLR is a bitch), then it's very possible that IEEs are being selected against, which would mean fewer IEEs overall

**IBTL** · 03-20-2014, 07:15 PM

Originally Posted by Saberstorm

Back to the issue - can you identify an IEE anywhere in the world?

Yes, both of the best foreign language professors that I have ever had were IEE - one taught German and one taught Spanish. The Spanish professor's claim to fame is that she's fluent in 7 languages.

**IBTL** · 03-20-2014, 07:51 PM

http://www.mcneese.edu/enfl/dr._kim_...r_of_modern_la

**Saberstorm** · 03-20-2014, 08:29 PM

Originally Posted by lifer

Yes, both of the best foreign language professors that I have ever had were IEE - one taught German and one taught Spanish. The Spanish professor's claim to fame is that she's fluent in 7 languages.

I am not asking if "anybody" can identify a IEE - Kenneth asserts he is the only IEE on the forum. He asserts that he has never seen any IEEs but they are as rare as white buffalo. There are plenty of IEEs around. That he cannot id them is the question. He has a mental block on IEEs. I am not saying there are no IEEs. Kenneth is saying that.

**Olduvai** · 03-20-2014, 10:09 PM

Originally Posted by Saberstorm

I am not asking if "anybody" can identify a IEE - Kenneth asserts he is the only IEE on the forum. He asserts that he has never seen any IEEs but they are as rare as white buffalo. There are plenty of IEEs around. That he cannot id them is the question. He has a mental block on IEEs. I am not saying there are no IEEs. Kenneth is saying that.

don't worry, if there were more IEEs on here I would identify them

I truly believe that most people here are Ti/Fe in some capacity

**SyrupDeGem** · 03-20-2014, 10:20 PM

Originally Posted by Kenneth Chesney

don't worry, if there were more IEEs on here I would identify them

I truly believe that most people here are Ti/Fe in some capacity

Thinking about it Kenneth I think it's possible you are doing this because of a heightened sense of your own Tipolr and strong Fi. However this does not auto make everyone else have Ti/Fe in their ego block. You are starting out and when you start out you have a more solid understanding of the world through your own eyes. This tints the lenses somewhat and makes it difficult to see from others views. Soon you'll be starting to take those tinted lenses off, it's a beautiful world when you begin to see instead of just looking.

**IBTL** · 03-20-2014, 10:24 PM

Originally Posted by Saberstorm

I am not asking if "anybody" can identify a IEE - Kenneth asserts he is the only IEE on the forum. He asserts that he has never seen any IEEs but they are as rare as white buffalo. There are plenty of IEEs around. That he cannot id them is the question. He has a mental block on IEEs. I am not saying there are no IEEs. Kenneth is saying that.

Without stirring the pot too vigorously, because I can think of two famous IEE's specifically, I will say that I believe Lady Gaga is IEE.

The crazy hair cut is similiar to Hayley Williams, too.

She speaks Swedish in the beginning of the video. Who does that?!

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...2135109AARaazg

Haha! Did you notice the newspaper? "Lady Gaga reaches the top yet again"... and Hayley Williams has the record for breaking records!

**IBTL** · 03-20-2014, 10:25 PM

Originally Posted by Geminatronix

Thinking about it Kenneth I think it's possible you are doing this because of a heightened sense of your own Tipolr and strong Fi. However this does not auto make everyone else have Ti/Fe in their ego block. You are starting out and when you start out you have a more solid understanding of the world through your own eyes. This tints the lenses somewhat and makes it difficult to see from others views. Soon you'll be starting to take those tinted lenses off, it's a beautiful world when you begin to see instead of just looking.

That absolutely was profound!

**Olduvai** · 03-20-2014, 10:32 PM

Originally Posted by Geminatronix

Thinking about it Kenneth I think it's possible you are doing this because of a heightened sense of your own Tipolr and strong Fi. However this does not auto make everyone else have Ti/Fe in their ego block. You are starting out and when you start out you have a more solid understanding of the world through your own eyes. This tints the lenses somewhat and makes it difficult to see from others views. Soon you'll be starting to take those tinted lenses off, it's a beautiful world when you begin to see instead of just looking.

nah on all counts

**Radio** · 03-20-2014, 10:45 PM

having "examples" and a concrete pool of empirical data from where to pull out common traits and type behavior wouldn't be stressful for a type that has valued Ne + Te functions. saberstorm is not asking you to explain the inner structural details (Ti) of your typings or to explain the theoretical underpinnings of model A, which IEEs may possibly have trouble with as Ti-polrs.

**IBTL** · 03-20-2014, 11:30 PM

Originally Posted by Radio

having "examples" and a concrete pool of empirical data from where to pull out common traits and type behavior wouldn't be stressful for a type that has valued Ne + Te functions. saberstorm is not asking you to explain the inner structural details (Ti) of your typings or to explain the theoretical underpinnings of model A, which IEEs may possibly have trouble with as Ti-polrs.

You make a great point!

I just can't go all in on the next IEE that I know because some people may have never thought of her that way, and it could "stir the pot". So I'm holding back until Lady Gaga as "IEE" sets in...

**Olduvai** · 03-20-2014, 11:34 PM

Originally Posted by Radio

having "examples" and a concrete pool of empirical data from where to pull out common traits and type behavior wouldn't be stressful for a type that has valued Ne + Te functions. saberstorm is not asking you to explain the inner structural details (Ti) of your typings or to explain the theoretical underpinnings of model A, which IEEs may possibly have trouble with as Ti-polrs.

good point. eventually I want to post a collection of videos that includes several examples for every member of the socion; that's still a ways off, though.

**IBTL** · 03-20-2014, 11:38 PM

Radio, don't forget about "framing", which takes time, because I have to superimpose all of the agents of each type onto each other in a way that makes "sense".

I'm just sorry that I'm not fast enough for those of you who yearn for excitement! Plus, I'm headed to bingo with my new female SLI bestie!

**Olduvai** · 03-21-2014, 04:24 AM

@Saberstorm, I'm starting to think you might be right; your friend doesn't seem to be a logical type, his speech is too disordered and choppy. Logical types have a "deliberateness" to their speech that your friend seems to lack. Logical types easily "spout off words"; they can easily represent in language their mind's representations (or some shit like that). Their speech seems more ordered, smooth, and natural; there aren't many "uhhs", "umms", or pauses in it.

**IBTL** · 03-21-2014, 09:13 AM

CHER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

**IBTL** · 03-21-2014, 10:08 AM

Originally Posted by Kenneth Chesney

@Saberstorm, I'm starting to think you might be right; your friend doesn't seem to be a logical type, his speech is too disordered and choppy. Logical types have a "deliberateness" to their speech that your friend seems to lack. Logical types easily "spout off words"; they can easily represent in language their mind's representations (or some shit like that). Their speech seems more ordered, smooth, and natural; there aren't many "uhhs", "umms", or pauses in it.

It's a writing style. I could change it but I like it...