Results 1 to 17 of 17

Thread: The problem with functional descriptions

  1. #1
    Banned
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Posts
    2,763
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default The problem with functional descriptions

    The problem I have realized with functional socionic type descriptions is that they don't make connections between each combination of functions. Therefore there should be descriptions of the following combinations (even if just one sentence):

    +
    +
    +
    +
    +
    +
    +
    +
    +
    +
    +
    +
    +
    +
    +
    +
    +
    +
    +
    +
    +
    +
    +
    +
    +
    +
    +
    +


    Here are examples for an INTj

    +
    They express their love, in words or actions, to people that matter to them.

    +
    They inappropriately use logical reasoning in matters concerning personal relationships.

    +
    They daydream when someone speaks to them, and so they ask questions to keeps up with the conversation.

    +
    They are lazy.

  2. #2
    Banned
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Posts
    2,763
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    hmm

  3. #3
    oyburger's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Location
    somewhere overthere
    Posts
    2,528
    Mentioned
    2 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    I like this idea, but I'm not good with function descriptions, so I couldn't help. I would like to see it done though.
    All Hail The Flying Spaghetti Monster

  4. #4

    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    New York
    Posts
    6,074
    Mentioned
    2 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Hugo, you have INTJs and INFJs both having the same problems with logical reasoning when dealing with people. That's one problem to start.
    MAYBE I'LL BREAK DOWN!!!


    Quote Originally Posted by vague
    Rocky's posts are as enjoyable as having wisdom teeth removed.

  5. #5
    Banned
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Posts
    2,763
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    So what's the difference between INTj and INFj ?

  6. #6
    Expat's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    United Kingdom
    Posts
    10,853
    Mentioned
    27 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    INFjs often use to try to logically justify conclusions they had already arrived at via .
    , LIE, ENTj logical subtype, 8w9 sx/sp
    Quote Originally Posted by implied
    gah you're like the shittiest ENTj ever!

  7. #7
    Banned
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Posts
    2,763
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Expat
    INFjs often use to try to logically justify conclusions they had already arrived at via .
    ...and what do INTjs try to do?

  8. #8
    Expat's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    United Kingdom
    Posts
    10,853
    Mentioned
    27 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    I think they use to interpret interactions and use that to get at a system of what relationships should be like - like "this is how a good friend/husband/etc behaves" etc. Yes that makes them sound robot-like but this is all relative.
    , LIE, ENTj logical subtype, 8w9 sx/sp
    Quote Originally Posted by implied
    gah you're like the shittiest ENTj ever!

  9. #9
    Creepy-Diana

    Default

    .

  10. #10
    MysticSonic's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2004
    Location
    USA
    Posts
    2,993
    Mentioned
    4 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    That sort of pairing leaves out the variable of functional position.

    As in, Ti(Program)+Fi(Role) is different, by definition, from Ti(role)+Fi(program.)
    "To become is just like falling asleep. You never know exactly when it happens, the transition, the magic, and you think, if you could only recall that exact moment of crossing the line then you would understand everything; you would see it all"

    "Angels dancing on the head of a pin dissolve into nothingness at the bedside of a dying child."

  11. #11
    Expat's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    United Kingdom
    Posts
    10,853
    Mentioned
    27 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Hugo
    Quote Originally Posted by Expat
    INFjs often use to try to logically justify conclusions they had already arrived at via .
    ...and what do INTjs try to do?
    I realize I haven't answered Hugo's question with regards to for INTjs.

    The differences I see as follows (and it's how it's described in functional profiles).

    dominants reach conclusions primarily through criteria. However - and perhaps especially when having to defend them before a logical type - they try to justify those conclusions using logical arguments. Such arguments then are often visibly inconsistent, since it's a use of role having to reach the already-set conclusions. A logical type may then think that the dominant is lying, but that is not necessarily (or even usually) the case from the point of view of the dominant. They are using , they "should not" have to use to justify themselves.

    dominants reach conclusions primarily through criteria (duh). So they will be consistent from a logical point of view -- at least according to their own internal logic, in the sense that they will not be contradictory. They may be incorrect in their assumptions and data, but not internally contradictory.

    That is perhaps one way of spotting weak -- the use of arguments that are logically contradictory even within their own self-established framework.
    , LIE, ENTj logical subtype, 8w9 sx/sp
    Quote Originally Posted by implied
    gah you're like the shittiest ENTj ever!

  12. #12

    Join Date
    Sep 2011
    Posts
    8,578
    Mentioned
    7 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    as to this suggestion of combinational functional descriptions...

    i think its a critical part of socionics which is not often described. that, i think, is why most description are somewhat incomplete; very few do anything to describe functions in combination with each other.

  13. #13

    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Location
    Michigan
    Posts
    75
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    There really isn't much to say about all those combinations in and of themselves. Now to say how and combine to do something in the INTj personality is another story. They may be manipulated, or well maybe not manipulated as much as push to the side or covered up by the stronger functions. Remember these functions would be of little understanding to an INTj. Same goes for all other combos in all of the types.

  14. #14

    Join Date
    Sep 2011
    Posts
    8,578
    Mentioned
    7 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    of course; presumably weak functions as well as strong would be covered in any such description.

  15. #15
    XoX's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Posts
    4,407
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Hugo
    Quote Originally Posted by Expat
    INFjs often use to try to logically justify conclusions they had already arrived at via .
    ...and what do INTjs try to do?
    Heh yes. INFjs try to explain how submitting to their ethics would be the most logical thing to do. INTjs try to explain how submitting to their logic would be the most ethical thing to do.

  16. #16
    UDP's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    East Coast West Coast Dirty South
    TIM
    LSE
    Posts
    14,826
    Mentioned
    33 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Different layers of understanding are good things. Keep it up
    Pre-2013 post are written with incomplete understanding.

  17. #17

    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Location
    NY
    Posts
    1,158
    Mentioned
    2 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    The way I see the combinations based on how I see the world is like this...

    Because I am Ti I see implicational vectors, because I am Ne and have wide mental focus I see a wide temporal implicational vector field. This would mean than ENFps and INFjs would see a wide temporal relational field.
    -Slava


    What a great replacement for a nany

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •