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    Hey all,

    I am traveling the world this Spring/Summer and one of the places I am going is Kiev, Ukraine. I know it's been crazy over there with all the stuff going on, but I am planning on going to the Socionics Institute there while I am in Kiev. If there is anything you guys would like me to request or information you'd want to know let me know. Also, if you all have some advice let me know too. This trip is going to be crazy.
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    you're pretty brave to be traveling to Kiev right about now

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    also, this tourism website boasts an impressive list of 355 things to do in Kiev. i guarantee visiting the Socionics Institute is not one of them. why are you wasting a perfectly good vacation?

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    The "socionics institute" is in the one with the most roof.
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    I've been planning to go around the world for 6 years now. Joined the Navy and got to see a bunch, but I like to be on a pursuit for knowledge and see how humanity works. I will be doing other stuff too. I am going to be going all around Europe, the Middle East, North Africa, and Asia.....then graduate school in the fall. I'd like to apply socionics in business dynamics.

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    Plus I think any information I can bring back to you guys that you'll find important and analyze it. I like to go get that new information and bring it to people.

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    I'm just curious how legit the Socionics Institute is... wondering if it's weird, cult-like or a serious, well-recognized entity...

    Let us know!
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    Funny thing is that it does appear to be in a residential building: https://www.google.com.mx/maps/place...2155f1f00d9a04

    Ahaha.

    How sweet. Transkar, maybe a nice Ukrainian guy will invite you in for tea.
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    The following is information I'd like to see... Whats socionists stance on physiognomy? Do socionists know of NPA theory and if not - care to introduce them to it? What scientific grounding for socionics have they built - if any? Where in eastern Europe is socionics most popular? Does it vary a lot by country and region? How about city vs town? And young vs old? I've heard they teach socionics in Lithuanian schools - is that true, and is it mandatory? Does that go for other eastern European countries too? Finally, is there anywhere in western Europe where popularity and knowledge of socionics even comes close to eastern levels?
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    Quote Originally Posted by WorkaholicsAnon View Post
    I'm just curious how legit the Socionics Institute is... wondering if it's weird, cult-like or a serious, well-recognized entity...
    I'm thinking it's just a collection of crackpots, like an Intelligent Design thinktank or something. An inactive poster named Jarno linked the website once, and it looked basically like a degree mill that self-publishes its own journals without any rigorous vetting of the researchers, any clear delineations of methodology, data reproducibility, or falsification. Pseudoscience gone rampant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Transkar View Post
    Hey all,

    I am traveling the world this Spring/Summer and one of the places I am going is Kiev, Ukraine. I know it's been crazy over there with all the stuff going on, but I am planning on going to the Socionics Institute there while I am in Kiev. If there is anything you guys would like me to request or information you'd want to know let me know. Also, if you all have some advice let me know too. This trip is going to be crazy.


    I think it would be very helpful to ask them for any translations they have on any of their literature, also if they have a good translator...maybe they could join a uk socionics google hang out ... i think it's do-able. I'd also like to find out how dogmatic they are regarding socionics, weather they push for it as an actual science, how far their studies have taken them. I have heard rumours that in Russia they believe it is all genetic i.e you get your type from your parents... I'd like to find out if that a general consensus and how it is worked out if so.

    I have lots more questions, thats just a few ideas that came to mind, I'll think on it some more.

    Do you speak Russian?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Capitalist Pig View Post
    I'm thinking it's just a collection of crackpots, like an Intelligent Design thinktank or something. An inactive poster named Jarno linked the website once, and it looked basically like a degree mill that self-publishes it's own journals without any rigorous vetting of the researchers, any clear delineations of methodology, data reproducibility, or falsification. Pseudoscience gone rampant.
    Socionics is a legacy of samizdat so it's certainly academically not well established structurally either academically or as a consulting tool, unlike MBTI in the states. This was illegal censored research once upon a time. However, it's that very nature why this site exists and other individual still promote this topic and seek to advance it in other ways because well it could use a bit more rigorous vetting and analysis.

    IMO the basis and reason to explain some diversity of personality in socionics is very valid philosophically, which is not the same as scientifically. As a product of information metabolism, differentiation of information within the psyche, and preference in these differentiated information elements, it is hard to deny these process occurring in every day life and activity.

    As far as verification of this model, I know of at current at least 1 AI projects which uses a information differentiation model that divides information into conscious and unconscious as well as information into specialized tasks which roughly align with concepts such as sensing, logic(this one is obvious), ethics and intuition. Almost every single AI model has some differentiation of logic and ethics as this is the core difference between a AI and human emotion which is seen as a very important difference.

    It's highly unlikely that simulation of human intelligence AI's will ever be built without a model of the conscious/unconscious, the ability to process sensory information, processing components which tackles logical and ethical components of everyday reality. Also the ability to comprehend complex non-dividable topics which defy both sense and reason which can be called intuition.

    How to take a topic like socionics out of it's samizdat legacy is something that I am still interested in even if imo a good portion of socionic societies are crackpots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Transkar View Post
    Hey all,

    I am traveling the world this Spring/Summer and one of the places I am going is Kiev, Ukraine. I know it's been crazy over there with all the stuff going on, but I am planning on going to the Socionics Institute there while I am in Kiev. If there is anything you guys would like me to request or information you'd want to know let me know. Also, if you all have some advice let me know too. This trip is going to be crazy.
    Isn't gulenko's humanitarian socionics also in Kiev?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Transkar View Post
    Also, if you all have some advice let me know too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geminatronix View Post
    Hey Tony,

    I think it would be very helpful to ask them for any translations they have on any of their literature, also if they have a good translator...maybe they could join a uk socionics google hang out ... i think it's do-able. I'd also like to find out how dogmatic they are regarding socionics, weather they push for it as an actual science, how far their studies have taken them. I have heard rumours that in Russia they believe it is all genetic i.e you get your type from your parents... I'd like to find out if that a general consensus and how it is worked out if so.

    I have lots more questions, thats just a few ideas that came to mind, I'll think on it some more.

    Do you speak Russian?
    I can read their alphabet but I only know a little Russian. I imagine I'll pick it up as I am in Eastern Europe...translating shouldnt be a problem, I have a lot of translators on my phone I am going to use. I will also be picking up any materials that they can give me. I imagine they will have somebody there that can also speak English, if not I can hire a translator to help me out a bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hkkmr View Post
    Socionics is a legacy of samizdat so it's certainly academically not well established structurally either academically or as a consulting tool, unlike MBTI in the states. This was illegal censored research once upon a time. However, it's that very nature why this site exists and other individual still promote this topic and seek to advance it in other ways because well it could use a bit more rigorous vetting and analysis.

    IMO the basis and reason to explain some diversity of personality in socionics is very valid philosophically, which is not the same as scientifically. As a product of information metabolism, differentiation of information within the psyche, and preference in these differentiated information elements, it is hard to deny these process occurring in every day life and activity.

    As far as verification of this model, I know of at current at least 1 AI projects which uses a information differentiation model that divides information into conscious and unconscious as well as information into specialized tasks which roughly align with concepts such as sensing, logic(this one is obvious), ethics and intuition. Almost every single AI model has some differentiation of logic and ethics as this is the core difference between a AI and human emotion which is seen as a very important difference.

    It's highly unlikely that simulation of human intelligence AI's will ever be built without a model of the conscious/unconscious, the ability to process sensory information, processing components which tackles logical and ethical components of everyday reality. Also the ability to comprehend complex non-dividable topics which defy both sense and reason which can be called intuition.

    How to take a topic like socionics out of it's samizdat legacy is something that I am still interested in even if imo a good portion of socionic societies are crackpots.
    You make a very good point here on the integration of cognitive functions into everyday life. This will likely have to happen with the development of personalities related to artificial intelligence.

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    It is different than Russian. The alphabet as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Absurd View Post
    It is different than Russian. The alphabet as well.
    You're right. But them being a former satellite state the older ones most likely know Russian as a second language.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Transkar View Post
    You're right. But them being a former satellite state the older ones most likely know Russian as a second language.
    They do. Especially Crimea...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Capitalist Pig View Post
    I'm thinking it's just a collection of crackpots, like an Intelligent Design thinktank or something. An inactive poster named Jarno linked the website once, and it looked basically like a degree mill that self-publishes it's own journals without any rigorous vetting of the researchers, any clear delineations of methodology, data reproducibility, or falsification. Pseudoscience gone rampant.
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    Ask Gulenko about material on dual types!
    @hkkmr: name of this AI project?

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    I am considering to travel to that part of the world myself. To attend one of the training sessions - I want to see how they do it and in what format. Gulenko is the legend, yes. Wonderful LII! Please say "hi from elenka".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Capitalist Pig View Post
    you're pretty brave to be traveling to Kiev right about now
    I was under the assumption that the protests had ceased as Yanukowich was dethroned?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquagraph View Post
    I was under the assumption that the protests had ceased as Yanukowich was dethroned?
    I just figured shit was unstable, I haven't heard anything terribly recent. By the time he's planning to visit, things are likely to have settled.

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    don't get Hosteled if Bukalov shows you noods on his phone of hot serbian girls from the town next door, run!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ath View Post
    Ask Gulenko about material on dual types!
    @hkkmr: name of this AI project?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CLARION

    There are also many other AI models which only do logic, intuition or other information processing, this is one that has a unconscious and conscious split as well as 4 splits in the type of information.

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    Transkar, introduce the socionists to what hkkmr posted!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CLARION

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    I guess he never went there
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tigerfadder View Post
    I guess he never went there
    Maybe he didn't live to tell about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chips and underwear View Post
    Maybe he didn't live to tell about it.
    He is still alive, he posts in Joy's Facebook group. Perhaps someone should ask him over there.

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