You are stifling.
I hate you.
You are stifling.
I hate you.
Se is about drive, inertia and force-field of an object, in people being based in "just so" baseless empty axioms of will. I do not experience to have drive and force-field, and having to master will is begrudge/rejected based on the feeling sourceless/meaningless/unrewarding/unnatural. So what is left to experience of self through the framework of Se is stranded, drifting inertia and negativity.
Fi is a web of obligations. Maybe not fundamentally but how gamma SF express it an what it ends up to me -- a drag and a ponzi scheme. Not a perspective to look on life.
Subjectivity is stated and so is admission that the view may not be fundamentally right, while the point is rejection of perspectives not functional for you. Since the perspectives are not fundamentally wrong I cannot reject them logically, which is why rare occurrence of hate/anger/self-preservation was found appropriate and commemorated.
wait, what, a ponzi scheme?
It is an archetypical scam in the sense that a lot of the modern day investment scams are based on its general principle....
Some religious use it, Scientology for instances has a similar recruitment strategy and reaps benefits due to similar principles.
It's not an elegant scam but it's effective.
Yeah, I think this is Alpha's perception of something that Gamma's wouldn't agree is what alpha's think it is. I mean, this is projected obligation due to alpha's way of processing the information. It's not "a family riunion" it's "I feel pressured into x if I don't do y cuz aunt z will talk to uncle b" etc etc.
That isn't necessary the way gamma operates, it's how alpha's operate when dealing with a gamma context, basically our misunderstanding or failure to process the information easily makes it, in our perception, into something it is not.
No-one in it's right mind would consider a family a ponzi scheme...however, I get where he comes from, it sometimes feels hard to basically try to understand the relationships and thus it becomes something like his "web of obligations".
Am I making sense or am I making it more confusing?
Well apparently that is not how it is supposed to work for everyone, so no you are not justified in the attitude that could possibly result in to you begrudgingly playing house with your "ungrateful "loved ones"".
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If you got people you can resonate with big time, then it's you and them against the whole world, and just about all the limits around what you could do just vanish away. I'm peaceful as hell, but that ain't always what's sent towards me from a bulk of the world that has little to no familiarity with me whatsoever, and it feels like a war with infinite fronts seen and unseen much of the time. When people come together, that's where the magic happens, and I'd start with the people who are closest to me in the ways I'd find important. Stretch the length of time large enough and it's strictly a matter of sequence, and if my body ends up dead before I get the job done on a universal scale, then fuck it.
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Gossip is clearly Fe...
I don't think all quadra's are perceptions, I think all quadra's will look at the other quadra's and have a sub-optimal view of what the quadra values are like. That means, alpha's misinterpret the values from beta gamma and delta and so on. In this sense, i'm kinda telling OP and the others that he's talking about his perception (yes, making it subjective) of those values rather than the meaning those values have for people from that quadra.
it's basically telling OP that his view might be too extreme and telling the respondents to take into account that he looks at the subject through coloured glasses (not necesarilly rose coloured).
Not sure if this eliminates the circularity or makes it worse,
What I am aiming at is OP's view of quadra stuff is in bounds of Socionics, if it were not, it wouldn't be Socionics. A new construct where, say, Gammas and Alphas live in Jehovah's Witnesses paradise. Again, original, religious Socionics scriptures put quadras in this way: Delta+Gamma, Beta+Alpha. Not the other way around.
But liek I wrote, if one wants to treat it all subjective (one is free to), no such construct as Socionics, as we(?) know it and speak of in this very forum, exists.
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for the record: I did say the alpha SFs I work with.
the ones I work with people.
Socionics is unproven theory. Some people found it to reflect their experience and so be true to significant degree. Why is there an other kind of people here is a question.
As to your question. There are whole lot of circumstance and qualities of people to such a process, including the ones that exacerbate or diminish the conflicts of informational metabolism. Not only there are NTR things but expression of type/element itself is not singular. You can put your projection of simple mindedness and apply it to yourself.
Discussion of theory in a forum specific for that purpose does not constitute preaching. Butting in there with banal ignorant rebuttals does.
1. this is socionics forum.
2. you don't consider socionics a valid system.
Conclusion: you are wasting your time and don't belong.
"I don't care what you think of Socionics, don't waste your time with this kind of stuff, "
"You can put *** socionics aside and apply it to yourself."
- Stringing contradictory statements.
Conclusion: You should stop talking so that people can have doubts about you being stupid.