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    Default rational functions summarized

    Fi/Te: this is what type of person x is, and this is how they can be expected to behave.

    -emotively descriptive and logically linear

    Ti/Fe: this is what type x is, and this is how that type of person behaves.

    -emotively prescriptive and logically holistic

    there's more uncertainty involved in the transition from Fi to Te... there's an inner harmonization at work on both a subjective and collective level; Fi is continually recalibrating the 'playing field' according to purely internal categories and impressions; Te functions as a kind of objective barometer, less about matching behaviors to expectations than equalizing and structuring various types of people and behaviors according to a more heuristic model. when denzel says he's going to kill anyone peripherally related to pita's kidnapping in man on fire, you're seeing the most basic and linearized expression of the value judgment Fi makes.

    there's more clarity between Ti and Fe, but definitions are less pointed. Ti is the playing field, so all that matters is social context; behaviors are seen more mechanistically and recursively; 'types' of people/groups emerge based on the interchange between the individual and collective; any anomalous behaviors are either suspended or included once sufficient inductions have been made about the given situation's underpinnings. for example an ILE who I would've assumed listened to tool but didn't make the obvious connection until I heard it playing on his phone said that it shouldn't be something surprising or notable.

    the feedback loops proceed from Ji to Je, and continue from Je to Ji.
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    so relevant

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    it seems as though Aristocracy would make the Fe/Ti categorization more pronounced.

    But yeah, I definitely agree that I(a definite Fe/Ti valuer) absolutely see a behavior and categorize the person by it. Shit, I've had entire conversations consisting of whether someone is more a "this guy" or "that guy".
    I would say that ethically you are still supposed to act as if you have unilateral responsibility; but simultaneously you have to be able to see the other as a fully autonomous, free, aware person.

    Medicalizing social problems has the additional benefit of rendering society not responsible for those social ills. If it’s a disease, it’s nobody’s fault. Yay empiricism.

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    True.

    Tell me if this is an example of the difference. Last week, I listened to an SLE and SEE talking to my IEI friend. The IEI thought a one-night stand gave him an STD (lol)

    SLE(Fe/Ti): "She's a hood rat, man... That's what happens when you get with a hood rat."
    SEE (Fi/Te): "There was something about her that made you wanna get close to her, but this was God's way of telling you to get away."

    A few times since then, I've heard the IEI repeat the SLE's "hood rat" explanation… That's the explanation that stuck.

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    lol... sounds about right. SLEs are typically pretty apt at summating the social implications of a given situation, whether with a category or otherwise. LSEs do the same thing, i.e. call some pot dealer a juvenile or whatever, but there's always a moral implication, and hence the distinction between aristocrats and democrats in this regard: the former needs categories, the latter eschews them. the same thing is happening when an LSI corrects a boundary and an EII implies a moral consequence... whereas a similar but different thing is happening in an example like yours. the key feature is that Fi needs to move outward, whereas Fe has to 'recoil' back within Ti parameters. hope that makes sense.
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    It does make sense… I like how you boil it down and that you continue to bring this knowledge… I haven't read through this forum in a minute, but this is the kind of post everyone should read.

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