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    Default rational functions summarized

    Fi/Te: this is what type of person x is, and this is how they can be expected to behave.

    -emotively descriptive and logically linear

    Ti/Fe: this is what type x is, and this is how that type of person behaves.

    -emotively prescriptive and logically holistic

    there's more uncertainty involved in the transition from Fi to Te... there's an inner harmonization at work on both a subjective and collective level; Fi is continually recalibrating the 'playing field' according to purely internal categories and impressions; Te functions as a kind of objective barometer, less about matching behaviors to expectations than equalizing and structuring various types of people and behaviors according to a more heuristic model. when denzel says he's going to kill anyone peripherally related to pita's kidnapping in man on fire, you're seeing the most basic and linearized expression of the value judgment Fi makes.

    there's more clarity between Ti and Fe, but definitions are less pointed. Ti is the playing field, so all that matters is social context; behaviors are seen more mechanistically and recursively; 'types' of people/groups emerge based on the interchange between the individual and collective; any anomalous behaviors are either suspended or included once sufficient inductions have been made about the given situation's underpinnings. for example an ILE who I would've assumed listened to tool but didn't make the obvious connection until I heard it playing on his phone said that it shouldn't be something surprising or notable.

    the feedback loops proceed from Ji to Je, and continue from Je to Ji.
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    so relevant

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    it seems as though Aristocracy would make the Fe/Ti categorization more pronounced.

    But yeah, I definitely agree that I(a definite Fe/Ti valuer) absolutely see a behavior and categorize the person by it. Shit, I've had entire conversations consisting of whether someone is more a "this guy" or "that guy".
    Projection is ordinary. Person A projects at person B, hoping tovalidate something about person A by the response of person B. However, person B, not wanting to be an obejct of someone elses ego and guarding against existential terror constructs a personality which protects his ego and maintain a certain sense of a robust and real self that is different and separate from person A. Sadly, this robust and real self, cut off by defenses of character from the rest of the world, is quite vulnerable and fragile given that it is imaginary and propped up through external feed back. Person B is dimly aware of this and defends against it all the more, even desperately projecting his anxieties back onto person A, with the hope of shoring up his ego with salubrious validation. All of this happens without A or B acknowledging it, of course. Because to face up to it consciously is shocking, in that this is all anybody is doing or can do and it seems absurd when you realize how pathetic it is.

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    True.

    Tell me if this is an example of the difference. Last week, I listened to an SLE and SEE talking to my IEI friend. The IEI thought a one-night stand gave him an STD (lol)

    SLE(Fe/Ti): "She's a hood rat, man... That's what happens when you get with a hood rat."
    SEE (Fi/Te): "There was something about her that made you wanna get close to her, but this was God's way of telling you to get away."

    A few times since then, I've heard the IEI repeat the SLE's "hood rat" explanation… That's the explanation that stuck.

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    lol... sounds about right. SLEs are typically pretty apt at summating the social implications of a given situation, whether with a category or otherwise. LSEs do the same thing, i.e. call some pot dealer a juvenile or whatever, but there's always a moral implication, and hence the distinction between aristocrats and democrats in this regard: the former needs categories, the latter eschews them. the same thing is happening when an LSI corrects a boundary and an EII implies a moral consequence... whereas a similar but different thing is happening in an example like yours. the key feature is that Fi needs to move outward, whereas Fe has to 'recoil' back within Ti parameters. hope that makes sense.
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    It does make sense… I like how you boil it down and that you continue to bring this knowledge… I haven't read through this forum in a minute, but this is the kind of post everyone should read.

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