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    Self-diagnosis pitfalls

    Even with my in-depth dichotomy descriptions there is a chance for error. When people self-diagnose themselves, they go by what they think about themselves (their self-concept), which is not always completely in line with reality. In fact, sometimes self-concept can be grossly inaccurate. This seems to occur as a result of difficult family relationships or other traumatic experiences that forced one to develop compensatory behavior styles as opposed to developing his or her real strengths.

    Even in the absence of traumatic experiences, self-concept is influenced by one's idols and by family values: is it "better" to be logical or ethical? extraverted or introverted? What are your role models like? Such desired traits influence self-diagnosis as well. People who diagnose their type on their own almost never reach unexpected conclusions!! This is one of the difficulties of psychological testing, and it is socionists' job to come up with tests and descriptions that minimize the influence of people's self-concept to the greatest possible degree.

    Ideally, one should have contact with experienced socionists who can give qualified type diagnoses. Next, one should gain experience interacting with people whose types have been determined accurately to get a feel for intertype relations. It can be especially enlightening to get to know people of your own type. It is hard to understand socionics in isolation with only a bunch of texts to go by.
    I need help you guys, I've been obsessing about socionics for almost 3 years now. I have self-diagnose many types and I think I won't ever be sure of my self-diagnose for real unless I get help.

    I will do whatever you guys want: videos, tiny chat interviews, tests..

    Here is the list of the types I thought I was in chronological order:

    First test ever: LII for a while
    Then SLI for a short time
    Then ILE for a while
    Then EIE for a short time
    Then ILI for a short time
    Then IEE for a while
    Then SLE for a short time
    Then IEE again
    Then ILE again
    And now I believe i'm EIE again.

    And I just made this test, taking my time, and got SEE, then SLI.
    http://esocionika.com/index.php?page=test

    So yeah, no more self typing for me. Its all about you guys now.

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    Everyone come and help please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Destroypuppy View Post
    So yeah, no more self typing for me. Its all about you guys now.
    Still, I wonder what you think your type might be, and for what reasons?

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    Why do you give a shit? How do you think knowing your "socionics type" will improve your life? Have you considered how ridiculous it is to expect a bunch of strangers online to know you better than you know yourself?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Destroypuppy View Post
    I need help you guys, I've been obsessing about socionics for almost 3 years now. I have self-diagnose many types and I think I won't ever be sure of my self-diagnose for real unless I get help.

    I will do whatever you guys want: videos, tiny chat interviews, tests..

    Here is the list of the types I thought I was in chronological order:

    First test ever: LII for a while
    Then SLI for a short time
    Then ILE for a while
    Then EIE for a short time
    Then ILI for a short time
    Then IEE for a while
    Then SLE for a short time
    Then IEE again
    Then ILE again
    And now I believe i'm EIE again.

    And I just made this test, taking my time, and got SEE, then SLI.
    http://esocionika.com/index.php?page=test

    So yeah, no more self typing for me. Its all about you guys now.
    My gut tells me you're IEE.

    Self-typing is indeed possible, by the way. It just takes honesty and self-awareness. Do you "feel"? Do you find yourself saying "I like" and "I hate" on a frequent basis? Are you "serious" in your interactions with others? These are just some of the questions you can ask yourself in your search for truth.

    The following are my definitions of the functions, along with some phrases that I associate with them. They might be of some use.

    "Se" = "Explicit Object Statics"
    "shape, color, texture, length, width, height"

    "Ne" = "Explicit Field Statics"
    "state of temperature, 'things together', 'full scene', 'whole impression', 'obvious structure'"

    "Si" = "Implicit Field Dynamics"
    "change in temperature, 'effect on conditions', 'how conditions will change', what developments will occur"

    "Ni" = "Implicit Object Dynamics"
    "'you're thinking this way', 'you will do this in the future', what an unseen thing does, 'you're doing this because of that'"

    "Te" = "Explicit Object Dynamics"
    "what this does, what that does, 'I am doing this', 'I will do this', 'why don't you do this', 'it won't do this', 'because this does that'"

    "Fe" = "Explicit Field Dynamics"
    "these things are happening, 'we are making these changes', 'these developments are occurring'"

    "Ti" = "Implicit Field Statics"
    "'because it's against the rules', 'this state will result', 'because of an unseen truth', 'underlying structure'"

    "Fi" = "Implicit Object Statics"
    "'this unit is this', 'this unit isn't this', 'this is true of this unit', 'that isn't true of this unit'"

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    My advice to you is to ignore tests, and dichotomies. Focus on the functions, they are foundation Jung, MBTI, and Socionics. Also make sure you separate who people think you are, and who you want to be, from who you actually are..
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    SLI

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa View Post
    SLI
    Perhaps

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johannes Bloem View Post
    Perhaps
    here's where we collaborate....sometimes the type may display the dual's traits in a less capable way...these things are also what the dual pairs have in common

    example: i am EII and to a lessor degree I brag about and demonstrate my preference for Te...that is I talk about how organized I like my surroundings ect and I observe actions of people but the weakness of my Te comes in where I don't judge their effectiveness instead I empathize with the person and excuse their actions under some reason

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa View Post
    here's where we collaborate....sometimes the type may display the dual's traits in a less capable way...these things are also what the dual pairs have in common
    Indeed. Does his language seem to have a "deliberateness" or "economy" to it? Does it "make clear sense"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johannes Bloem View Post
    Indeed. Does his language seem to have a "deliberateness" or "economy" to it? Does it "make clear sense"?
    i edited my post

    ask what's going on in him and what's resulting

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    Lessor is moar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scapegrace View Post
    Lessor is moar.
    i am on ipain...i can't control this annoying thing

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa View Post
    ipain

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    lol if you went through that many types - do you think it's more of an issue of you not being able to type yourself, or the entire theory being retarded?

    It's like if a really brilliant and talented kid who has trouble in a public school system, is it the boy's fault- or is it the system that sucks? I'm gonna wager something is wrong with the SYSTEM - not something is wrong with the PERSON. That is just the humane thing to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by truck View Post
    lol if you went through that many types - do you think it's more of an issue of you not being able to type yourself, or the entire theory being retarded?

    It's like if a really brilliant and talented kid who has trouble in a public school system, is it the boy's fault- or is it the system that sucks? I'm gonna wager something is wrong with the SYSTEM - not something is wrong with the PERSON. That is just the humane thing to do.
    Well, it could also be that he doesn't understand the system well (despite being obsessed with it for 3 years). I mean, he seems to be going by test results mostly, which is kind of telling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by truck View Post
    It's like if a really brilliant and talented kid who has trouble in a public school system, is it the boy's fault- or is it the system that sucks? I'm gonna wager something is wrong with the SYSTEM - not something is wrong with the PERSON.
    It depends on the nature of the "trouble".

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    Ok, I got a bunch of different personality tests to do, not only Socionics.
    I will post the results, I will also make 1 video a day for this, maybe while I do the tests, maybe just talk about my day.

    I have red all the wiki socion and all the articles of this forum, some article multiple times .
    I'll talk about what I know about Socionics in the videos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Destroypuppy View Post
    Ok, I got a bunch of different personality tests to do, not only Socionics.
    I will post the results, I will also make 1 video a day for this, maybe while I do the tests, maybe just talk about my day.

    I have red all the wiki socion and all the articles of this forum, some article multiple times .
    I'll talk about what I know about Socionics in the videos.
    You just have to look at your behavior. It's obvious that you're very drawn in by your senses especially when you look at pretty women.

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    Yeah, but I'm not superficial, I'm looking for the girl that got away, the girl with the same personality type as my ex.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Destroypuppy View Post
    I need help you guys, I've been obsessing about socionics for almost 3 years now. I have self-diagnose many types and I think I won't ever be sure of my self-diagnose for real unless I get help.

    I will do whatever you guys want: videos, tiny chat interviews, tests..

    Here is the list of the types I thought I was in chronological order:

    First test ever: LII for a while
    Then SLI for a short time
    Then ILE for a while
    Then EIE for a short time
    Then ILI for a short time
    Then IEE for a while
    Then SLE for a short time
    Then IEE again
    Then ILE again
    And now I believe i'm EIE again.

    And I just made this test, taking my time, and got SEE, then SLI.
    http://esocionika.com/index.php?page=test

    So yeah, no more self typing for me. Its all about you guys now.
    if you went through so many types ...chances are you don't have strong Ti and you're an irrational. So i'll just go on a limb , cause I don't actually know much about you, and say IEE ...as it's the type of those who 've fallen into this pattern most ime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AshSun View Post
    if you went through so many types ...chances are you don't have strong Ti and you're an irrational. So i'll just go on a limb , cause I don't actually know much about you, and say IEE ...as it's the type of those who 've fallen into this pattern most ime.
    How is Ti related to self-typing ability?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Destroypuppy View Post

    And I just made this test, taking my time, and got SEE, then SLI.
    http://esocionika.com/index.php?page=test

    So yeah, no more self typing for me. Its all about you guys now.
    ...that test typed me ILI cause I'm a fan of calm witty conversations, I think morals are a concept of what is good and not an external system of coordinates to adjust behavior and I wouldn't run after a person slamming the door in a fight to "solve the problem". Just sayin.

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    I would stop trying to find out what type you are. Hang out in Everything Goes and in the chat box without thinking about what type you are or what type you sound like. Everyone will figure out your type soon enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by William View Post
    This sentence actually concerns me more than your type.

    Why do you feel "obsessed" over getting your type correct? Take a step back. You are who you are in life. You have to have an identity outside of socionics.
    True, if he's been obsessed with it for so long, it might be a good idea to take a step back.

    (Although, for all I know Destroypuppy likes being obsessed with it... Still, taking a step back would probably give you a better sense of perspective.)

    Either way, I would not rely too much on test results to figure out your type. Even if they give you consistent results, the best way is through introspection and such. Which was why I was curious what the OP himself related to, 'cause it could show how much work he'd done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Destroypuppy View Post
    Ok, I got a bunch of different personality tests to do, not only Socionics.
    Talk to Ath if you're looking for tests. He's got some good ones. Those socionics tests only get at your political preferences. Answer options break down along a conservative-moderate-liberal spectrum. Those preferences influence the way that you see yourself and would act in different situations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EIE
    First test ever: LII for a while
    Then SLI for a short time
    Then ILE for a while
    Then EIE for a short time
    Then ILI for a short time
    Then IEE for a while
    Then SLE for a short time
    Then IEE again
    Then ILE again
    And now I believe i'm EIE again.
    = EIE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johannes Bloem View Post
    "Se" = "Explicit Object Statics"
    "shape, color, texture, length, width, height"

    "Ne" = "Explicit Field Statics"
    "state of temperature, 'things together', 'full scene', 'whole impression', 'obvious structure'"

    "Si" = "Implicit Field Dynamics"
    "change in temperature, 'effect on conditions', 'how conditions will change', what developments will occur"

    "Ni" = "Implicit Object Dynamics"
    "'you're thinking this way', 'you will do this in the future', what an unseen thing does, 'you're doing this because of that'"

    "Te" = "Explicit Object Dynamics"
    "what this does, what that does, 'I am doing this', 'I will do this', 'why don't you do this', 'it won't do this', 'because this does that'"

    "Fe" = "Explicit Field Dynamics"
    "these things are happening, 'we are making these changes', 'these developments are occurring'"

    "Ti" = "Implicit Field Statics"
    "'because it's against the rules', 'this state will result', 'because of an unseen truth', 'underlying structure'"

    "Fi" = "Implicit Object Statics"
    "'this unit is this', 'this unit isn't this', 'this is true of this unit', 'that isn't true of this unit'"
    very abstract stuff

    Even in the absence of traumatic experiences, self-concept is influenced by one's idols and by family values: is it "better" to be logical or ethical? extraverted or introverted?
    Is it better? There is no better and even if I were ethical I couldn´t be logical. The same thing with Introversion-Extroversion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by William View Post
    This sentence actually concerns me more than your type.

    Why do you feel "obsessed" over getting your type correct? Take a step back. You are who you are in life. You have to have an identity outside of socionics.
    you are so dumb, being obsessed with something doesn´t mean that this thing controls one´s life and you write as if one had a chance to change that feeling


    shit Double post sorry

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    My shot at VI before reading the thread was EIE. Not that you provided much information in the thread..

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    hkkmr says im EIE

    Its good enough for me.

    Now how do I find LSI?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AshSun View Post
    if you went through so many types ...chances are you don't have strong Ti and you're an irrational. So i'll just go on a limb , cause I don't actually know much about you, and say IEE ...as it's the type of those who 've fallen into this pattern most ime.
    It's funny that IEE and EIE have all the same dimension of functions.
    Ne 4d Ti 1d
    Ni 3d Fe 4d
    etc..

    But I think that having 1d Ti is kinda of a superpower, I don't take risk with it, learn only from experience, do not care about the norms of it.

    Its just that being EIE I want Ti, the IEE has a problem with it.
    I love it.

    I've been obsessed with socionics for a while now, and the only way i'm gonna understand it, is if I can reconstruct it all with experience in my life, from my eyes.

    I think I see types of people ever since I was young, socionics is giving me the vocabulary to classify those types.
    I just need a perfect typing process.

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    First saw your pic i thought sli...then saw you typed yourself die and thought it might be plasuible..honestly, just post a couple pics of yourself(face) if you have any and ill be able to tell you

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    yea EIE seems right, the last picture looks rational

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zero11 View Post
    yea EIE seems right, the last picture looks rational
    I'll repeat the same question I asked Maritsa: how exactly does one "look rational", and why should I believe you? (I mean no offense, I just think it is an important question)

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