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    I notice that betas don't seem to hang out with other betas. This seems to be difficult. I suspect its because a lot of betas are often in a more socially dominant position. Am I the only one to experience this? Betas seem kinda hard to get, even as friends. I seem to have a lot of alpha and gamma friends. Deltas can fuck off because they don't know shit about anything anyway.

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    Lol. Is this actually true?
    I've definitely seen betas hanging out with other betas...

    I don't know, beta strikes me as one of the most "fun and intense" quadras, and who else are you going to get to sustain that atmosphere if not other betas?

    Then again, maybe there is a whole world of beta in-fighting that I don't know about.

    (I have, now that you've mentioned it, viewed dramatic beta friendship breakups and get-back-togethers, sex and tears, etc. But betas are deeper than the stereotype. I don't know, I'm fond of betas and they are various. )

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    Ever meet those gangs of four guys huddled in a circle, smoking and talking during work breaks? A lot (not all, obviously) of them are betas.
    It was in the reign of George III that the aforesaid personages lived and quarrelled; good or bad, handsome or ugly, rich or poor, they are all equal now.

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    One of my best friends is EIE. That makes one beta I often hang out with. We're almost as close as sisters. When she gets drunk I have to look after her and so on.
    There are also some betas in my youth group.
    And my family is a mixture of betas and alphas - and I really like to go to family gatherings because the atmosphere is always nice.

    I find myself hanging around with people who share my interests. I'd rather hang out with a group that talks about video games, music, science or something like that than with a group that talks about shoes, hip hop dance and weddings. Regardless of quadra.

    Sometimes I find myself suddenly surrounded by betas. Just last Friday I met another Archaeology student at the train station who was on his way to practice with his band and in the train we met members of some other punk rock band. So suddenly I was surrounded by all those long haired metal guys drinking beer and I felt strangely comfortable because I think in tht constellation every beta type was represented. xD
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    Maybe I'm just in the wrong place. Colorado seems to be Alpha the farther you go away from town, and gamma the closer in you get.

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    Most of my friends are betas.

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    Just make some socionics friend tryouts on craigslist

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    Southern california definitely has a beta vibe to it and when I was in new york area it seemed to have the right atmosphere to attract betas. I haven't noticed what the op has described. All quadra are socially selective to an extent and you aren't going to click with every person from your own one.

    Quote Originally Posted by xerx View Post
    Ever meet those gangs of four guys huddled in a circle, smoking and talking during work breaks? A lot (not all, obviously) of them are betas.
    those are actually all alphas conferring over how to divide their Si spoils

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    Basically 2/3 of my office are betas. Theres so much lighthearted shit talk to deflect with sardonic inanity.

    Sometimes you just gotta talk some shit or lie out your ass. Betas will follow.
    I would say that ethically you are still supposed to act as if you have unilateral responsibility; but simultaneously you have to be able to see the other as a fully autonomous, free, aware person.

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    My interaction with betas always seems to be very understanding. Its like, we see each other, we knod in passing, and then we go on making friends with non-betas. Bah.
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    Quote Originally Posted by silke View Post
    those are actually all alphas conferring over how to divide their Si spoils
    not ime, though not out of character for any quadra.
    It was in the reign of George III that the aforesaid personages lived and quarrelled; good or bad, handsome or ugly, rich or poor, they are all equal now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DJ Arendee View Post
    Maybe I'm just in the wrong place. Colorado seems to be Alpha the farther you go away from town, and gamma the closer in you get.

    If I dug deep, I'd say I have to move to Norway.
    Norway? O_o Beautiful country, but covered in darkness for half a year...

    I guess, Germany, especially the middle/southern part is really a beta friendly place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kadda1212 View Post
    I guess, Germany, especially the middle/southern part is really a beta friendly place.
    Yeah all those "Vereins" with unwritten rules...(but if there's an ISTj around that explains to me the unwritten rules in detail, I can generally get on)
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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    Yeah all those "Vereins" with unwritten rules...(but if there's an ISTj around that explains to me the unwritten rules in detail, I can generally get on)
    Yeah, especially Rhine-Hessian carnival clubs. Carnival in general is a nice festival for betas, it's all about making fun of the military, getting drunk, just having fun. xD
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    Let me say/shout profane and morally depraved bullshit and I'll generally hang around for a bit. Do that and then get drunk with me and complain/talk shit about people and talk about feelings and symbolism and freaky ass dreams and I'll go out of my way indefinitely to hang out/get sloshed with you. Dunno, are those beta-ish things? I figured the first part is, I've always related vulgarity to Se (again not sure why?) and a disregard for Fi, and if that were correct, the entirety of beta has the capacity to be a cesspool of fucked-up jokes, which would be delightful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kadda1212 View Post
    I guess, Germany, especially the middle/southern part is really a beta friendly place.
    Unless you're ethnic, from what I've heard...?

    My bf's skydiving friends seem to all be betas. They work out if you're good enough, then invite you to join a secret elite club where they all tell each other to harden the fuck up when they get seriously injured, greet each other with stuff like "gobble some balls mate" and go on hush hush expeditions to illegal BASE jumping spots I think they also ordered some cryptic insider joke stickers to put on their gear.
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    Nobody here...besides me, seems to know what SLE is except for maybe Maritsa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by octo View Post
    Unless you're ethnic, from what I've heard...?

    My bf's skydiving friends seem to all be betas. They work out if you're good enough, then invite you to join a secret elite club where they all tell each other to harden the fuck up when they get seriously injured, greet each other with stuff like "gobble some balls mate" and go on hush hush expeditions to illegal BASE jumping spots I think they also ordered some cryptic insider joke stickers to put on their gear.
    lol, yes!
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    The party line is that the types are distributed evenly,

    http://www.socionics.us/philosophy/t...ribution.shtml

    but I think that's some equitist crock of horseshit. Society needs tons more SLI accountants and plumbers than it needs LIE billionaires or LII meta-cognitive philosophers. Got to have more followers than leaders, or you end up with too many cooks in the kitchen.

    I'm inclined to believe the MBTI stats are probably closer to the truth, although they probably used Keirsey and are rife with mistypes. (I can't find the link at the moment, but they are saved on my computer as a notepad document.)

    Anyway, according to the MBTI stats I have,

    Women
    Alpha- 40.5%
    Beta- 10.3%
    Gamma-21.7%
    Delta- 27.5%

    Men
    Alpha- 24.4%
    Beta- 17%
    Gamma- 20.5%
    Delta- 38.1%

    You might not have many Beta friends because Betas are less common. Which makes sense. The Betas are often stereotyped as the rebel quadra. If there's too many rebels, it becomes the mainstream.

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    I'm inclined to believe that Alphas and Betas slightly outnumber Gamma and Delta, but I don't think it's wildly disproportionate. Intuitive types are also fairly common. Especially ILEs and IEEs in my experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Narc View Post
    I'm inclined to believe that Alphas and Betas slightly outnumber Gamma and Delta, but I don't think it's wildly disproportionate. Intuitive types are also fairly common. Especially ILEs and IEEs in my experience.
    Eh, it's just the crackpot theory of a slightly deluded ILE. Don't read too much into it.

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    Maybe betas are more likely to commit suicide... or kill themselves in stupid ways.

    SLE jumped off a cliff
    IEI slit their wrists
    EIE starved to death (that pesky Si PoLR!)
    LSI crossed the road when the light turned green without checking if everyone else was following the rules.
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    Nobody here...besides me, seems to know what SLE is except for maybe Maritsa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by octo View Post
    Maybe betas are more likely to commit suicide... or kill themselves in stupid ways.

    SLE jumped off a cliff
    IEI slit their wrists
    EIE starved to death (that pesky Si PoLR!)
    LSI crossed the road when the light turned green without checking if everyone else was following the rules.
    Are we really that desperate?
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