Discuss..Originally Posted by wiki
Discuss..Originally Posted by wiki
Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
I think that it can be part of depression for some (for me it was more a matter of *why bother constructing a future, it doesn't matter anyway*), but I don't think we should even attempt to come up with one definition of depression, just like we shouldn't come up with any one solution.
When I was in my worst depressive state, no *I care about you and I am here for you* helped me. What helped were friends helping me with the daily grind of living, and giving me concrete and objective advice when I asked them to. When my friend suffered from bad depression, she rejected any attempt at finding a solution and was looking for lots of emotional care and verbal affirmation.
My point is that I am suspicious of making depression and how to handle/treat it one whichever thing. I think it is even type-related.
Last edited by Kim; 11-30-2013 at 03:32 PM.
“Have enough courage to trust love one more time and always one more time.”
― Maya Angelou
“You cannot protect yourself from sadness without protecting yourself from happiness.”
― Jonathan Safran Foer
“The secret of happiness is freedom, the secret of freedom is courage.”
― Carrie Jones, Need
an adjective that doesn't mean much beyond "very sad & demotivated" that people try to treat like a technical category with clear delineations when it isn't.
in my experience,
an opportunity for spiritual growth in the aftermath of a defeated ego. If embraced, what's left in the destruction becomes the seeds of understanding, an intimate relaying of self-awareness to a consciousness that, by itself, has to struggle with knowing what's truly important.
I like the OP quotes. Adding my cents... depression is a dissociated state of unfulfilling pleasure and ignored pain... Caring can reconcile it; can recognize the pain and can provide real fulfillment. Only trouble with that is it relies on outside sources for fulfillment, which are not reliable... often not even accessible. You can try to look within and overcome it. That is very difficult but ultimately what's required. And that is done by embracing pain.
Last edited by rat1; 11-30-2013 at 09:58 PM.
I don't think care is the opposite of, or somehow irreconcilable with apathy -- the latter is often indulged to relieve the pressure implied by dealing with things we care about. care/concern is a fundamental quality of man's existence, hence "the inability to construct a future" being flawed; depressed people may express dismay and disinterest about the future, but the function is still active, on some level. overall I agree with rat that the important thing is embracing the pain. having to do so through anger, especially when it concerns a 'loss' or any situation where you were degraded or abused in some way, is probably the most difficult, because you effectively have to collapse internally to dissolve whatever resistances were bound up with the feeling. external sources of support are nice but not always present or directly relevant to one's needs/state.
Last edited by strrrng; 11-30-2013 at 10:52 PM.
Mortal, mortal, what would you
With that beauty once was yours?
Perishable is the dew,
And the dust endures.
Depression is all too common yet those suffering from it are marginalised, often by people who have experience of it to some degree themselves. It's a sorry state of affairs.
Now this is a story all about how, my type got changed, turned upside down. Just wait for a minute and watch chatbox right there, & I'll tell how Gem became the moderator with blue hair.
In typology central friended and praised, on the picture thread was where she spent most her days. Chilling out, selfies, relaxing all cool, And all typing some people and getting them schooled.
When a couple of girls who were up to no good, Started annoying her & her friends in the forumhood, She got in one little flame war & got pissed off & said 'I'm moving in with that exboyfriend in the forum with the socionics toffs.
So Gem pulls up to the forum for a year without being a hater, And yells to typocentral 'Yo creeps! Smell Ya later', Became a mod in her kingdom she was finally there, To sit on her throne as the mod with blue hair.
Clinical depression isn't extreme sadness or melancholy. It's a qualitatively different condition based on chemical changes in the brain:
A revolution is not a dinner party, or writing an essay, or painting a picture, or doing embroidery; It cannot be so refined, so leisurely and gentle, so temperate, kind, courteous, restrained and magnanimous. A revolution is an insurrection, an act of violence by which one class overthrows the other. Mao Tse Tung
I also believe it is an expression of powerlessness and hopelessness. That's my personal experience.