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    i watched the bone collector last night and remembered starfall's fictional beta thread. cuz the main characters seemed like super blatant LIE & ESI duals to me. denzel's character LIE, jolie's character ESI.


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    Jane Eyre and Mr Rochester ? I think Te-Fi duality, but not sure if Gamma.


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    Mr and Mrs Smith struck me as a quirky take on LIE-ESI duality. Pitt playing the LIE and Jolie playing the ESI.

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    Jay Gatsby Gamma SF. Dunno about Daisy, probably Beta NF.

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    Gatsby is one of the most obvious examples of an EIE in literature, IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Radio View Post
    Gatsby is one of the most obvious examples of an EIE in literature, IMO.
    why so?

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    I'm not sure, I always kind of took it for granted. He throws grand and lavish parties, is an excellent host, appears amiable and understanding yet still distant and secretive, has all the tact in the world -- and then on the inside, is emotionally unstable and almost childish in his desires. That to me encapsulates EIE as a type perfectly.

    Even this bit in the book brought to mind EXFj:

    Quote Originally Posted by https://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/245494-the-great-gatsby
    “He smiled understandingly-much more than understandingly. It was one of those rare smiles with a quality of eternal reassurance in it, that you may come across four or five times in life. It faced--or seemed to face--the whole eternal world for an instant, and then concentrated on you with an irresistible prejudice in your favor. It understood you just as far as you wanted to be understood, believed in you as you would like to believe in yourself, and assured you that it had precisely the impression of you that, at your best, you hoped to convey.”
    If you're curious what I typed others in the book:
    Nick Carraway - IEI
    Daisy Buchanan - SLE
    Tom Buchanan - LSI

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    Stringer Bell from the Wire is a dead on LIE

    but yeah, this is kind of hard. Gamma's arent as abundant in fictional works.
    I would say that ethically you are still supposed to act as if you have unilateral responsibility; but simultaneously you have to be able to see the other as a fully autonomous, free, aware person.

    Medicalizing social problems has the additional benefit of rendering society not responsible for those social ills. If it’s a disease, it’s nobody’s fault. Yay empiricism.

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    Django.

    “Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”

    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly
    You've done yourself a huge favor developmentally by mustering the balls to do something really fucking scary... in about the most vulnerable situation possible.

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    Whats Django? ESI?
    I would say that ethically you are still supposed to act as if you have unilateral responsibility; but simultaneously you have to be able to see the other as a fully autonomous, free, aware person.

    Medicalizing social problems has the additional benefit of rendering society not responsible for those social ills. If it’s a disease, it’s nobody’s fault. Yay empiricism.

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    LIE

    Balthier (Final Fantasy XII)
    Pete Campbell (Mad Men)
    Edmund Dantez (Count of Monte Cristo)
    Mitsuru Kirijo (Persona 3)
    Helen Morgendorffer (Daria)
    Yu Narukami (Persona 4)
    Danny Ocean (Ocean's Eleven)
    Malcolm Tucker (The Thick of It)
    Frank Underwood (House of Cards)

    ILI

    Minato Arisato (Persona 3)
    Fran (Final Fantasy XII)
    Lulu (Final Fantasy X)
    Daria Morgendorffer (Daria)
    Vincent Valentine (Final Fantasy VII)

    SEE

    Locke Cole (Final Fantasy VI)
    Zell Dincht (Final Fntasy VIII)
    Gau (Final Fantasy VI)
    Yuffie Kisaragi (Final Fantasy VII)
    Bart's Klauser (Final Fantasy V)
    Chris Miles (Skins)
    Vaan (Final Fantasy XII)
    Snow Villiers (Final Fantasy XIII)

    ESI

    Jal Fazer (Skins)
    Christina Gallagher (House of Cards)
    Penelo (Final Fantasy XII)
    Ashley Riot (Vagrant Story)
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    I'm not familiar with a single one of those characters but lists are nice

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    Modern movies are abundant with Gamma characters, or so it seems to me. Just off the top of my head:

    Kate Winslet's character from 'Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind' is a SEE, and so are Penny from 'The Big Bang Theory' and Joan (Christina Hendricks) from 'Mad Men.' Leonard from TBBT is an ILI. Mike and Rachel from 'Suits' seem to be LIE and ESI.

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    Penny is ESE, as is her actress. Not sure about Leonard, but not ILI.

    Rachel from Suits seems aristocratic, so that'd scratch out ESI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Radio View Post
    I'm not sure, I always kind of took it for granted. He throws grand and lavish parties, is an excellent host, appears amiable and understanding yet still distant and secretive, has all the tact in the world -- and then on the inside, is emotionally unstable and almost childish in his desires. That to me encapsulates EIE as a type perfectly.

    If you're curious what I typed others in the book:
    Nick Carraway - IEI
    Daisy Buchanan - SLE
    Tom Buchanan - LSI
    The narrator could be IEI. I have a hard time seeing any Fe "community values" in Gatsby. Only materialism coupled with some Fi idealism -- obsession with Daisy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Narc View Post
    Penny is ESE, as is her actress. Not sure about Leonard, but not ILI.

    Rachel from Suits seems aristocratic, so that'd scratch out ESI.
    I don't think Penny is, myself being an ESE and having quite a few SEE friends. She's too brutal at times to be a true ESE. Her Fi is much more prominent and noticeable than her Fe; she doesn't make a lot of jokes, she comes and takes what she wants, etc. Of course, she's a fictional character in a long-running show and no matter how well-written her character is, she will have some out-of-type on-screen behavior. However, most of her reactions seem consistent with SEE.

    Leonard is usually typed as LII, just like Sheldon, and I like him a lot but I'd like to see more different types on that show so let's think he's an ILI

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    I think Walter White is a Gamma NT. On the Breaking Bad thread, a lot of people typed him as Delta ST, but I think that's wrong. He shows clear disregard for his body, wanting to roll over and die instead accepting the chemo, and also in driving his car into opposing traffic. That shows weak Si, imho. Plus, when he says, "we're in the empire business" towards the end of the series...well, I can't think of a more Ni influenced quote.

    I'm also inclined to type Jesse as Fi-ESFp, with most of his character's motivation being defined by his "flexible" ethics of relations, where he's in homoerotic love with Walter one minute and spurning him the next.

    All in all, I think it's a pretty Gamma show, what with theme being a gradual unified progression (Ni) towards a comeuppance for ethical transgressions (Fi).

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    'Dexter' is a very Gamma show, too. I haven't seen it but it's a favorite among many ILIs/SEEs I know.

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    Also Saul (Mandy Patinkin) from 'Homeland' seems to be an ILI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kupava View Post
    Modern movies are abundant with Gamma characters, or so it seems to me. Just off the top of my head:

    Kate Winslet's character from 'Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind' is a SEE, and so are Penny from 'The Big Bang Theory' and Joan (Christina Hendricks) from 'Mad Men.' Leonard from TBBT is an ILI. Mike and Rachel from 'Suits' seem to be LIE and ESI.
    See i would think Winslet's character would have been SLE, with her abrasive communication style and her obvious issues connecting with others on that typical Fi level.
    I would say that ethically you are still supposed to act as if you have unilateral responsibility; but simultaneously you have to be able to see the other as a fully autonomous, free, aware person.

    Medicalizing social problems has the additional benefit of rendering society not responsible for those social ills. If it’s a disease, it’s nobody’s fault. Yay empiricism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pookie View Post
    Whats Django? ESI?
    Yup.
    “Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”

    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly
    You've done yourself a huge favor developmentally by mustering the balls to do something really fucking scary... in about the most vulnerable situation possible.

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    I believe Homura from Puella Magi Madoka Magica is an ILI. Been a while since I've seen it though.

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    Crime and punishment: Raskolnikov INTp
    Code geass: Lelouch gamma NT, Suzaku gamma
    Bleach: Ichigo ESI
    Naruto:
    Naruto ESFp, Kakashi ILI

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    Quote Originally Posted by felafel View Post
    what about estj? he's kinda explosive, which is not very entj-ish. (ps:you're prolly right tho)
    Well the explosiveness can come from an 8 that doesn't have their shit together. I'd jump straight to SLE for him if he weren't forecasting all the time. Definitely Se valuing, as he understands well how the shift of power works. Often gets coups started, but doesn't openly lead the charge, more of a puppetmaster.

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    I agree with Ichigo as ESI.

    Natsu Dragneel from Fairy Tail is a pretty blatant SEE. He values family and loyalty above all, and he'll knock the shit out of the opposition for betraying each other. He's also rather easily forgiving - as is the guild as a whole - befriending previous enemies who have renounced their evildoing ways and joined the guild.

    I recall discussions on the WS pinning Nagi Springfield as SEE. He's basically the typical shonen protagonist flying by the seat of his pants and usually coming out victorious. I recall reading somewhere (TVTropes?) that this became an issue for him in Negima because he couldn't just "brute force" the problem this time. @Joy

    LIE was tossed around for Negi Springfield; PoLR fits very well, but he's definitely not base. I haven't read the series in a while, though. I recall him being a thoughtful, polite, and incredibly responsible child whose real talent turned out to be the writing/development of spells and who regularly ran himself until he collapsed when working toward a goal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anglas View Post
    Crime and punishment: Raskolnikov INTp
    uh...pretty sure he's not weak in Fi...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryene Astraelis View Post
    I recall discussions on the WS pinning Nagi Springfield as SEE. He's basically the typical shonen protagonist flying by the seat of his pants and usually coming out victorious. I recall reading somewhere (TVTropes?) that this became an issue for him in Negima because he couldn't just "brute force" the problem this time. @Joy

    LIE was tossed around for Negi Springfield; PoLR fits very well, but he's definitely not base. I haven't read the series in a while, though. I recall him being a thoughtful, polite, and incredibly responsible child whose real talent turned out to be the writing/development of spells and who regularly ran himself until he collapsed when working toward a goal.
    I don't see Se ego at all for Negi. It's been so long since I've read that manga, but the part I bolded definitely rings true. I'm not really sure what an irl LIE looks like anymore, but from a functional standpoint I like LIE for him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whoobie77 View Post
    uh...pretty sure he's not weak in Fi...
    tertiary Fi in Raskolnikov looks right enough to me

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whoobie77 View Post
    uh...pretty sure he's not weak in Fi...
    And I'm pretty sure he's ILI, so what

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    Kilgrave....LIE-Ni

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    @Kill4Me, that's an ILE imo, not an LIE.

    if it was an Ni creature, it likes Fe too much for LIE. => EIE
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    Lucifer Morningstar from the new TV show Lucifer seems LIE.


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    Kiera Knightley and Steve Carell - Movie: Seeking a friend for the end of the world. Such an great example of ILI and SEE. 06dbc88b4937847a42874fe3881e3837.jpg
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pookie View Post
    Whats Django? ESI?
    Yep, pretty sure Dr. King Schultz was an ILI myself as well, he and Django seemed to have a good activation relationship going on in that film.

    Also, Flamie Speeddraw from Rokka no Yuusha was a good female ILI as well. You really see it once Adlet realizes her HA during... well, I don't wanna spoil it but its a pretty good scene .

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    Now that I think about it, I'd also nominate Ledo from Suisei No Gargantia for an ILI and Amy for a good SEE. I can't quite accurately type Chamber but it had to be a positive one given how it all worked out. Ledo clearly has problems yet very strongly expresses it where it matters most. He's a major fan of logic, but it's clear that his internal feelings are his motivating force. Either way, it was clear that the robot didn't resent its master (i.e. it was an overall positive relationship).

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    Annalise from How to Get Away With Murder seems ENTj to me.

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