INTj and ENTp enneagram SX instinct and romance

[Soupman]

Hi are there any Alpha NTs who have the SX Enneagram instinct? Most importantly do understand the difference and similarities between SX and SO, confusingly both insticts are interested in one on one relationships and socializing so people often mistype; I'm hoping those of you who type as SX understand that its about how you are energetically charged in 1 on 1 relations.

Alpha NT Sx
So far my hypothesis has been that if you indeed type yourself as both alpha NT and Enneainstict Sx, you should find gulenko's romance styles bilwidering since they seem to expect you to be So. Sx leans more towards what he calls aggression yet that is also bewildering to real Sx types. Any who what do you Alpha Sx guys think?

If there are Alpha SF Sx please respond too

[FoxOnStilts]

I have sx in my top two (probably sp/sx, but I'm not really worried about it) and I disagree. I don't find the romance styles very bewildering at all, and I definitely don't lean towards aggression myself lol. I'm super infantile.

[Azure Flame]

I've always interpreted Sx as being correlated with Sensing in some way.

[DaftPunk]

I've always interpreted Sx as being correlated with Sensing in some way.

why?

[Azure Flame]

why?

Idunno. Probably the focused intensity. Sensors tend to be much more narrowed in on things than intuitives.

I'm not saying there aren't Sx intuitives. I'm just saying it seems to appear much more frequently in sensors.

[aisa]

@Azure Flame & @Soupman
I'm curious, as I do find the descriptions bewildering when it comes to romantic styles/erotic attitudes... I mean I can see a SEI/ILE dynamic in everyday life reminiscent a bit of those styles, but how on earth are they supposed to translate into bedroom? This just sounds like complete utter nonsense to me.
Do SEI/ILE couples really do act like that in intimate moments, too? If so who and how would know? (I don't suppose Gulenko actually sits in their bedroom, lol).
If (as SEI female) I don't identify with this at all and am either so/sx or sx/so - does this attidute of mine point towards sx/so?
I'm trying to understand sth here, cause tbh every time I read the caregiver/infantile descriptions I just open my eyes wider and wider, as such intimate relationship just sounds so so bad, and a bit 'yucky' incest-like... gah.

[Soupman]

@Azure Flame & @Soupman
I'm curious, as I do find the descriptions bewildering when it comes to romantic styles/erotic attitudes... I mean I can see a SEI/ILE dynamic in everyday life reminiscent a bit of those styles, but how on earthe are they supposed to translate into bedroom? This just sounds like complete utter nonsense to me.
Do SEI/ILE couple really do act like that in intimate moments, too? If so who and how would know (I don't suppose Gulenko actually sits in their bedroom, lol).
If I don't identify with this at all and am either so/sx or sx/so - does this attidute of mine point towards sx/so?
I'm trying to understand sth here, cause tbh honest every time I read the caregiver/infantile descriptions I just open my eyes wider and wider, as such intimate relationship just sunds so bad, and a bit 'yucky' incest-like... gah.

Its not for all SEI ILE, the subtype theory pretty much refines that. Actually some ILE are agressors, victims or caregivers, with the same applying for SEI.

Socionists aren't scared of exploring such sensitive areas. Also note that types are also ranked in terms of their fit into the corporate world. ESTJ rank highest followed by ESTP then ENTJ and ENTP. The worst types for the corporate world are in declining oder INFP as worst then INFJ, ISFP and ISFJ.

[aisa]

Its not for all SEI ILE, the subtype theory pretty much refines that. Actually some ILE are agressors, victims or caregivers, with the same applying for SEI.

Socionists aren't scared of exploring such sensitive areas. Also note that types are also ranked in terms of their fit into the corporate world. ESTJ rank highest followed by ESTP then ENTJ and ENTP. The worst types for the corporate world are in declining oder INFP as worst then INFJ, ISFP and ISFJ.

ok, that makes much more sense when you put it in words this way, thank you. And yeah, I can definitely agree from my observations with LIEs and (some) ILEs being suited for the corporate world and SEIs not (corporate environment - when I was in one - pretty much made me want to scratch my eyes out, lol).

[silke]

I've always interpreted Sx as being correlated with Sensing in some way.

I've seen SX being taken for being an ethical type in socionics or one of Beta types. As a primary instinct it adds an emotional/dramatic flair to the person; as a secondary instinct - good interpersonal relational skills, which is very easy to assume for Fi/Fe.

It's usually the SP instinct that gets mistaken for sensing:

Topics SP types might bring up in conversation: food, dining out, dieting, nutrition, health, fitness, appearance and looks, money, savings and sales, shopping, quality or durability of objects, clothing, design, home decor, employment, benefits, insurance, comfort, strength, vitality, sickness, death, discomfort, noise, safety, security, environment, resource management, physical sciences, engineering, architecture.

... all of which can be interpreted as the person having Si or Se in their ego block.

[Whoobie77]

In my estimation, the instinctual variants just mean:

SP: focus turning inward/ on self
SX: focus on one thing/person, in a laser-like fashion
SO: focus easily diffused over many things/people

I don't think instinctual variant stackings determine your interests or the things you bring up in conversation.

[Amber]

^^^ you're describing only energy dynamics here ...I think stackings indirectly influence what is important to ppl and what they almost automatically bring up.

[willekeurig]

The only alpha nt sx dom (sx/so) that comes to my mind is Aquagraph, and I would never confuse him for an aggressor. If anything, the sx first stacking seems to make one's romance style appear stronger ime.

[Absurd]

People interpreting stacking even though it reads what it reads when it comes to them. Werd and gay.

[Amber]

Hi are there any Alpha NTs who have the SX Enneagram instinct? Most importantly do understand the difference and similarities between SX and SO, confusingly both insticts are interested in one on one relationships and socializing so people often mistype; I'm hoping those of you who type as SX understand that its about how you are energetically charged in 1 on 1 relations.

Alpha NT Sx
So far my hypothesis has been that if you indeed type yourself as both alpha NT and Enneainstict Sx, you should find gulenko's romance styles bilwidering since they seem to expect you to be So. Sx leans more towards what he calls aggression yet that is also bewildering to real Sx types. Any who what do you Alpha Sx guys think?

If there are Alpha SF Sx please respond too

ime Sx first (especially sx/so) makes one more aggressive , but this doesn't have to interfere with Gulenko's "erotic attitudes" (which have to do with perception functions). Or if it does, it just adds some nuances. I don't really see why one would even try to correlate these 2.

[Whoobie77]

^^^ you're describing only energy dynamics here ...I think stackings indirectly influence what is important to ppl and what they almost automatically bring up.

Well, I think the numbered part of Enneagram is bull, so...I may just stick to socionics.

[Jerdle]

I'm sx/so ILE, and it massively boots my role Se. I think a sx LII would be more of the soft sx, boosting Fi.

[Alomoes]

I don't understand the so, sx, sp thing other than the superficial details, but I believe I am sx. I will read the requested material and evaluate my relationship to it. Honestly, though, my whole enneagram understanding, while being fairly deep, is likely plaugued with misunderstanding.

Nope, checks out for me.