Great post. Sounds right going by my experience of some of these countries. You get a cookie for being so insightful.
Great post. Sounds right going by my experience of some of these countries. You get a cookie for being so insightful.
Last edited by Coffee HD; 10-26-2013 at 01:39 PM.
I agree on:
Germany (LSI)
France (ESE)
Turkey (SLE)
Probably right:
Spain (IEE)
Don't agree with:
Italy SEE (more like SLE)
Britain LSE (more like ESI)
No idea about the rest although I could add to the list:
Switzerland (Delta, probably EII)
Portugal (Alpha, probably SEI)
Greece (Alpha, probably SEI)
Netherlands (Alpha, probably ILE)
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LOL. Not really. It's hard to define an overall type for Germany. Of course there are certain stereotypes, like the ones listed here - but this derives from old Prussian virtues, which for example had no great impact on the Bavarians, who are totally different.Originally Posted by Ananke
It's easier to define regional stereotypes in my country.
For example: Swabians. Swabians are everywhere. Whenever you visit another country, you will find a Swabian and he will be calculating the cost of everything. Swabians also like to talk a lot. Normally you don't talk to strangers on a train, but Swabians do. They ask you who you are, what you do. They love small talk. They work very efficient, unless they have to fight over how to do something, like whether to build the new train station underground or not.
Bavarians are very "gemütlich" (this word cannot be translated, something like cozy, comfy). They like drinking beer a lot. They believe that they don't belong to Germany. They still live in the past and think of themselves as an independent kingdom, ruled by fairy king Ludwig II. They communicate in a language made up from a series of grunt sounds and blubbering, sometimes it sounds like vomiting.
People from Berlin are (mostly all) insane and extremely rude (no politeness at all, in rare cases you might find a nice person, but I doubt the are real Berliners, maybe only moved to that town). There are really too many psychopaths in that town. -__-
Hessians are simply awesome. The ones who are most similar to us are the Bavarians and the Rhinelanders. Except we rather drink cider (Bavarians drink beer, Rhinelanders drink wine). Our dialect is quite compact, as can be seen in the short sentence "Ei guude wie!" which means: "Hello, I'm happy and surprised to see you here, how are you?".
Very generalized: The more you go to the south of Germany, the more passionate people are there, warmer, friendlier, on the other hand they can also be quite loud and aggressive, but the more you get to the north, the more people seem to be quiet and reserved. It also depends a lot on the environment, whether you live in a big city like Berlin, or live at the rather grey, melancholic North Sea, or by a romantic forest or in the Alps. Nature forms the mentality of the people, I think.
EDIT: So much for German orderliness and talent of organization. Just look at this famous speech of a German politician. Doesn't seem to be well organized, rather disoriented and confused:
Last edited by kadda1212; 10-26-2013 at 02:08 PM.
netherlands i'd say is delta rational, but INFj > ESTj.
modern day germany always looks a lot more delta ish than people imply by saying it's LSI.
Spain is never ever IEE more SLE maybe SEE
rest i could agree with
I think France has to be an intuitive "type" of some kind. It's one of the few european countries where intellectuality for its own sake it still prized.
Well, the difference with Turkey is large, if we consider that they're both "mediterranean" countries. It could be ascribed to a more "feeling" archetipe. Anyway, the north is a bit more ESI-like.Italy SEE (more like SLE)
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
What about Greece? xD
Germany's also fairly different in the north-west and south. People seem to be more rule-abiding but also much friendlier in the south (I'd say that's a typical behavior around the alpine region), whereas they're less friendly but also less rule-conscious and conservative in the north-west. Of course, you could write down this difference to urban vs rural prevalence.
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Ok, compared to other countries. Yes. Maybe I'm already too accustomed to it. I can see that there are many things who are very chaotic in my country. But it's probably peanuts against other countries, like the southern and eastern European ones, that are mostly ruled by corruption.
But, really, Berlin... I've spent four weeks there and I was kind of shocked by some people who were really cold and unfriendly. I was happy to be back in Frankfurt. Berlin just kind of overwhelmed me and at the time when I was there there was a horrible incident in that city. A guy stood naked in a fountain on the Alexanderplatz. People didn't care about that (as I mentioned they are used to crazy people). But suddenly he had a knife in hands and started to cut his wrists. Only then people called the police and in the end he was shot by a police officer when he attacked them with the knife. This was of course not a nice impression of that city.
lol, muslim turkey isn't a part of Europe.
Well yeah, the atmosphere is not heavily dissimilar compared to northern Italy, just a lot more intellectual and political talk...but it could have something to do with different circles of acquaintances.
I agree that the way the culture feels is not Ti-creative and yes, the general feel is more SEE. Some rural places in the north are more ESI, more introverted and hard-working but still very not into rules, more into family and friends stuff - and love for alchool in order to let loose.But I can't see Italy as a Ti-type, lols, lols, lols.... Nothing is logical there. :-p
Lmao "eastern and southern europe is ruled by corruption". Typical german rude, undiplomatic blanket statement that can easily offend millions of people without really meaning it.. Yes. Maybe I'm already too accustomed to it. I can see that there are many things who are very chaotic in my country. But it's probably peanuts against other countries, like the southern and eastern European ones, that are mostly ruled by corruption.
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
I see Sweden as very bureaucratic and and the traits you listed as mostly being consequences of that rather than the cause (although I'm sure that could be argued as well). No opinion for or against LII though.
In terms of geography most of Turkey is not part of Europe, but I think the whole Mediterranean part is very much influenced by European culture.
Also, they are allowed to participate in the Eurovision Song Contest and the European Soccer Championships.
like muslim Albania? A part of Turkey is in Europe live with it.
A friend of mine lived there for more than a half year. She also loves the city. But she loves big cities in general.
I think, what you described is typical for many German cities. We are very nature loving - so almost every city is covered with gardens, parks and trees.
A lot of what I perceived as unfriendliness has to do with the Berlin dialect, by the way. It's hard and cold compared to southern dialects. There's something aggressive about it. Can't really describe it. And especially this part is hard to describe in English: In the German language there are two was to say "you", an informal way and a formal way. You use the formal way for every person you don't know, it's considered to be polite. Now in the Berlin dialect they just use the informal way for everyone. If you're not used to it, it sounds kind of impolite.
But of course, I don't hate the city, don't want it to sound like that. I very much enjoyed Prenzlauer Berg for example. Just seeing the craziest kinds of people walking around with their children in a buggy was an experience. I mean, people you wouldn't expect to do that. Very alternative, heavy-metal rocker guys, long hair, long beard, sun glasses, black clothes, shirts with band names on them, covered with tattoos - and then a pink buggy and a cute little baby. xD
The whole geography argument is messed up from day 1. How is Iceland a part of Europe whereas Egypt and Sudan are not ? Because it was a Scandinavian settlement ? Is Mexico European for being a Spanish settlement ?
I come to the conclusion that Turkey is a little bit of both and thus so to speak intermediary between Europe and the Arabian world.
Quick question: what makes the Arab world not European?
As far as my perception goes, western coastal Turkey has an european-like culture, meaning, southern european. The easternmost parts are more persian-influenced (not so much "arab").
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
As far as I can say, they are not part of the Indo-European heritage.
Finns and Hungarians aren't, Turks aren't. See Uralic and Altaic language classifications, respectively.
Indians, Iranians and Kurds sure are Indo-European, though.
And why is linguistic classification the arbiter of heritage in the first place? Never mind the fact that the Nile delta, (if not half the Arab world, making up like 1/3 of the Roman empire) was a focal point of the Hellenistic culture that is a component of it.
Last edited by xerx; 10-26-2013 at 05:43 PM.
In Roman times, Egypt was not part of the Arabian world. The Arabian world is not making up 1/3 of the Roman Empire.
Dioecesis_Orientis_400_AD.jpg This small part of the Roman Empire is Arabian.
Egypt, Mauretania and so on were African provinces. In later times Arabs conquered these parts of Africa.
Yeah... Belgica and Aquitania were Gallic provinces. In later times Germanic peoples conquered these parts of Gaul.
many of those provinces spoke Aramaic, Greek etc.Dioecesis_Orientis_400_AD.jpg This small part of the Roman Empire is Arabian.
Last edited by xerx; 10-26-2013 at 06:04 PM.
Only 8% of Turkey lies in Europe, and xoxoxo at typing nations.
Europe as seen by France:
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Europe as seen by Germany:
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Europe as seen by Turkey:
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Europe as seen by USA:
mapping-stereotypes-08-yanko-tsvetkov-europe-as-seen-by-usa.jpg
Europe as seen by Greece:
World Greeks.jpg
Europe as seen by Italy:
World Italy.jpg
Europe as seen by Russia:
World Russia_0.jpg
Europe as seen by Great Britain:
World Britain_0.jpg
Europe as seen by Switzerland:
Europe Swiss.jpg
Europe as seen by Spain:
Europe Spain.jpg
Europe as seen by the Vatican:
Europe Vatican.jpg
And, the best one ever - Europe as seen by Berlusconi:
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You know the answer. They're not catholic.
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
Lol, that's pretty good. Especially "Italian dialects" for Spain, "Dalmatia" for Croatia, "Broken Empire" for Austria and "Europe" for Belgium.
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
I just love those maps. They are made by Yanko Tsvetkov, a Bulgarian artist. His book "Atlas of Prejudice" is simply hilarious.
In agreement, less caps lock, and the last bit. Though you could argue that Iran is a mixture of Arab's and Persians, since there were many Arab invasions hundreds of years ago and many people are now mixed. Actually i think there may be a crossover between Persians and Southern Indians (as in southern India) too? But not certain.
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that's true, still something rather distinct comes to mind when someone says ~arab~.
the crossover was subsequently named pakistan, so you're right. still, more indian than persian, esp since shared language and so forth.
Afraid not, according to local contacts.
Reason is a whore.
This is seriously the funniest thread I've ever read on this otherwise dull forum. Hats off to @kadda1212.
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You have to thank the author of this amazing book. As I mentioned above: Yanko Tsvetkov, "Atlas of Prejudice". Really funny.
There's another one I can recommend: "Life in Five Seconds" by Matteo Civaschi and Gianmarco Milesi. Simply awesome.
I'll be sure to check it out thanks.You have to thank the author of this amazing book. As I mentioned above: Yanko Tsvetkov, "Atlas of Prejudice". Really funny.
There's another one I can recommend: "Life in Five Seconds" by Matteo Civaschi and Gianmarco Milesi. Simply awesome.
IEE Ne Creative Type
Some
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