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    Great post. Sounds right going by my experience of some of these countries. You get a cookie for being so insightful.
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    I agree on:

    Germany (LSI)
    France (ESE)
    Turkey (SLE)

    Probably right:

    Spain (IEE)

    Don't agree with:

    Italy SEE (more like SLE)
    Britain LSE (more like ESI)

    No idea about the rest although I could add to the list:

    Switzerland (Delta, probably EII)
    Portugal (Alpha, probably SEI)
    Greece (Alpha, probably SEI)
    Netherlands (Alpha, probably ILE)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ananke View Post

    Germany - LSI
    Ordered, organized, polite, square
    LOL. Not really. It's hard to define an overall type for Germany. Of course there are certain stereotypes, like the ones listed here - but this derives from old Prussian virtues, which for example had no great impact on the Bavarians, who are totally different.
    It's easier to define regional stereotypes in my country.

    For example: Swabians. Swabians are everywhere. Whenever you visit another country, you will find a Swabian and he will be calculating the cost of everything. Swabians also like to talk a lot. Normally you don't talk to strangers on a train, but Swabians do. They ask you who you are, what you do. They love small talk. They work very efficient, unless they have to fight over how to do something, like whether to build the new train station underground or not.
    Bavarians are very "gemütlich" (this word cannot be translated, something like cozy, comfy). They like drinking beer a lot. They believe that they don't belong to Germany. They still live in the past and think of themselves as an independent kingdom, ruled by fairy king Ludwig II. They communicate in a language made up from a series of grunt sounds and blubbering, sometimes it sounds like vomiting.
    People from Berlin are (mostly all) insane and extremely rude (no politeness at all, in rare cases you might find a nice person, but I doubt the are real Berliners, maybe only moved to that town). There are really too many psychopaths in that town. -__-
    Hessians are simply awesome. The ones who are most similar to us are the Bavarians and the Rhinelanders. Except we rather drink cider (Bavarians drink beer, Rhinelanders drink wine). Our dialect is quite compact, as can be seen in the short sentence "Ei guude wie!" which means: "Hello, I'm happy and surprised to see you here, how are you?".

    Very generalized: The more you go to the south of Germany, the more passionate people are there, warmer, friendlier, on the other hand they can also be quite loud and aggressive, but the more you get to the north, the more people seem to be quiet and reserved. It also depends a lot on the environment, whether you live in a big city like Berlin, or live at the rather grey, melancholic North Sea, or by a romantic forest or in the Alps. Nature forms the mentality of the people, I think.

    EDIT: So much for German orderliness and talent of organization. Just look at this famous speech of a German politician. Doesn't seem to be well organized, rather disoriented and confused:

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    netherlands i'd say is delta rational, but INFj > ESTj.

    modern day germany always looks a lot more delta ish than people imply by saying it's LSI.

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    Spain is never ever IEE more SLE maybe SEE

    rest i could agree with

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    I think France has to be an intuitive "type" of some kind. It's one of the few european countries where intellectuality for its own sake it still prized.

    Italy SEE (more like SLE)
    Well, the difference with Turkey is large, if we consider that they're both "mediterranean" countries. It could be ascribed to a more "feeling" archetipe. Anyway, the north is a bit more ESI-like.
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    What about Greece? xD

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    Germany's also fairly different in the north-west and south. People seem to be more rule-abiding but also much friendlier in the south (I'd say that's a typical behavior around the alpine region), whereas they're less friendly but also less rule-conscious and conservative in the north-west. Of course, you could write down this difference to urban vs rural prevalence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ananke View Post
    Sure it is, but the overall country is LSI.
    I was generalizing, looking for the "soul" of the country, reflected in values that are undeniable. Germany is the most LSI country in the world.
    Ok, compared to other countries. Yes. Maybe I'm already too accustomed to it. I can see that there are many things who are very chaotic in my country. But it's probably peanuts against other countries, like the southern and eastern European ones, that are mostly ruled by corruption.

    But, really, Berlin... I've spent four weeks there and I was kind of shocked by some people who were really cold and unfriendly. I was happy to be back in Frankfurt. Berlin just kind of overwhelmed me and at the time when I was there there was a horrible incident in that city. A guy stood naked in a fountain on the Alexanderplatz. People didn't care about that (as I mentioned they are used to crazy people). But suddenly he had a knife in hands and started to cut his wrists. Only then people called the police and in the end he was shot by a police officer when he attacked them with the knife. This was of course not a nice impression of that city.

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    lol, muslim turkey isn't a part of Europe.
    It was in the reign of George III that the aforesaid personages lived and quarrelled; good or bad, handsome or ugly, rich or poor, they are all equal now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ananke View Post
    If you have ever eaten a dinner in France, with heavy food, heavy wine and small talks forever, you can't deny the ESE vibe, lol. ESEs value intellectuality! They LOVE people who are intellectual. It's just dual protection. Also, alphas are a bit intellectual for fun, aren't they?
    Well yeah, the atmosphere is not heavily dissimilar compared to northern Italy, just a lot more intellectual and political talk...but it could have something to do with different circles of acquaintances.

    But I can't see Italy as a Ti-type, lols, lols, lols.... Nothing is logical there. :-p
    I agree that the way the culture feels is not Ti-creative and yes, the general feel is more SEE. Some rural places in the north are more ESI, more introverted and hard-working but still very not into rules, more into family and friends stuff - and love for alchool in order to let loose.

    . Yes. Maybe I'm already too accustomed to it. I can see that there are many things who are very chaotic in my country. But it's probably peanuts against other countries, like the southern and eastern European ones, that are mostly ruled by corruption.
    Lmao "eastern and southern europe is ruled by corruption". Typical german rude, undiplomatic blanket statement that can easily offend millions of people without really meaning it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ananke View Post
    Sweden - LII
    Diplomatic, naive, rule-abiding, impractical
    I see Sweden as very bureaucratic and and the traits you listed as mostly being consequences of that rather than the cause (although I'm sure that could be argued as well). No opinion for or against LII though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xerx View Post
    lol, muslim turkey isn't a part of Europe.
    In terms of geography most of Turkey is not part of Europe, but I think the whole Mediterranean part is very much influenced by European culture.
    Also, they are allowed to participate in the Eurovision Song Contest and the European Soccer Championships.

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    like muslim Albania? A part of Turkey is in Europe live with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ananke View Post
    Wow.... :-/
    I met only nice people there, and fell in love with Berlin, but I was there for only 2 weeks.

    I googled "awesome Berlin", to find some nice photos from the cool outdoor parties (people stand on the streets in the evenings, everywhere, and have their publives there), the small city gardens, or the green, green trees that cover the whole of the city or some of the easygoing dress codes.
    Instead I found this one, and I liked it:
    A friend of mine lived there for more than a half year. She also loves the city. But she loves big cities in general.
    I think, what you described is typical for many German cities. We are very nature loving - so almost every city is covered with gardens, parks and trees.
    A lot of what I perceived as unfriendliness has to do with the Berlin dialect, by the way. It's hard and cold compared to southern dialects. There's something aggressive about it. Can't really describe it. And especially this part is hard to describe in English: In the German language there are two was to say "you", an informal way and a formal way. You use the formal way for every person you don't know, it's considered to be polite. Now in the Berlin dialect they just use the informal way for everyone. If you're not used to it, it sounds kind of impolite.
    But of course, I don't hate the city, don't want it to sound like that. I very much enjoyed Prenzlauer Berg for example. Just seeing the craziest kinds of people walking around with their children in a buggy was an experience. I mean, people you wouldn't expect to do that. Very alternative, heavy-metal rocker guys, long hair, long beard, sun glasses, black clothes, shirts with band names on them, covered with tattoos - and then a pink buggy and a cute little baby. xD

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    Quote Originally Posted by kadda1212 View Post
    In terms of geography most of Turkey is not part of Europe, but I think the whole Mediterranean part is very much influenced by European culture.
    Also, they are allowed to participate in the Eurovision Song Contest and the European Soccer Championships.
    so are Israel, Armenia and Cyprus, and all are geographically asian countries. Cyprus is even a member of the EU and honorarily European, whereas Turkey is not.

    Quote Originally Posted by Daft21 View Post
    like muslim Albania? A part of Turkey is in Europe live with it.
    not Albania either. look, deep down we all know: there is europe and there is Europe.

    the euphemism used nowadays is shared culture, which points to Greece as the cradle of western civilization. i can think of a few Muslim locations that contributed as massively.

    also, a tiny part of Kazakhstan is in Europe.
    It was in the reign of George III that the aforesaid personages lived and quarrelled; good or bad, handsome or ugly, rich or poor, they are all equal now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ananke View Post
    Europeans should have done a better job kicking Turks form the last piece of the continent, if they didn't want Turkey to be (at least partially) European.
    Go ahead and type Kazakhstan too, if you want.
    The whole geography argument is messed up from day 1. How is Iceland a part of Europe whereas Egypt and Sudan are not ? Because it was a Scandinavian settlement ? Is Mexico European for being a Spanish settlement ?
    It was in the reign of George III that the aforesaid personages lived and quarrelled; good or bad, handsome or ugly, rich or poor, they are all equal now.

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    I come to the conclusion that Turkey is a little bit of both and thus so to speak intermediary between Europe and the Arabian world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kadda1212 View Post
    I come to the conclusion that Turkey is a little bit of both and thus so to speak intermediary between Europe and the Arabian world.
    Quick question: what makes the Arab world not European?
    It was in the reign of George III that the aforesaid personages lived and quarrelled; good or bad, handsome or ugly, rich or poor, they are all equal now.

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    As far as my perception goes, western coastal Turkey has an european-like culture, meaning, southern european. The easternmost parts are more persian-influenced (not so much "arab").
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    Quote Originally Posted by xerx View Post
    Quick question: what makes the Arab world not European?
    As far as I can say, they are not part of the Indo-European heritage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kadda1212 View Post
    As far as I can say, they are not part of the Indo-European heritage.
    Finns and Hungarians aren't, Turks aren't. See Uralic and Altaic language classifications, respectively.

    Indians, Iranians and Kurds sure are Indo-European, though.

    And why is linguistic classification the arbiter of heritage in the first place? Never mind the fact that the Nile delta, (if not half the Arab world, making up like 1/3 of the Roman empire) was a focal point of the Hellenistic culture that is a component of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xerx View Post
    Finns and Hungarians aren't, Turks aren't. See Finno-Ugric and Altaic language classifications, respectively.

    Indian, Iranians and Kurds sure are Indo-European, though.

    And why is heritage related to linguistic classification in the first place? Never mind the fact that the Nile delta, (if not half the Arab world, making up like 1/3 of the Roman empire) was a focal point of the Hellenistic culture that is a component it.
    In Roman times, Egypt was not part of the Arabian world. The Arabian world is not making up 1/3 of the Roman Empire.

    Dioecesis_Orientis_400_AD.jpg This small part of the Roman Empire is Arabian.

    Egypt, Mauretania and so on were African provinces. In later times Arabs conquered these parts of Africa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kadda1212 View Post
    In Roman times, Egypt was not part of the Arabian world. The Arabian world is not making up 1/3 of the Roman Empire.

    Egypt, Mauretania and so on were African provinces. In later times Arabs conquered these parts of Africa.
    Yeah... Belgica and Aquitania were Gallic provinces. In later times Germanic peoples conquered these parts of Gaul.
    It was in the reign of George III that the aforesaid personages lived and quarrelled; good or bad, handsome or ugly, rich or poor, they are all equal now.

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    Dioecesis_Orientis_400_AD.jpg This small part of the Roman Empire is Arabian.
    many of those provinces spoke Aramaic, Greek etc.
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    Only 8% of Turkey lies in Europe, and xoxoxo at typing nations.

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    Europe as seen by Greece:

    World Greeks.jpg

    Europe as seen by Italy:

    World Italy.jpg

    Europe as seen by Russia:

    World Russia_0.jpg

    Europe as seen by Great Britain:

    World Britain_0.jpg

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    Europe as seen by Switzerland:

    Europe Swiss.jpg

    Europe as seen by Spain:

    Europe Spain.jpg

    Europe as seen by the Vatican:

    Europe Vatican.jpg

    And, the best one ever - Europe as seen by Berlusconi:

    World berlusconi_0.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by xerx View Post
    Quick question: what makes the Arab world not European?
    You know the answer. They're not catholic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kadda1212 View Post
    Europe as seen by Italy:

    World Italy.jpg
    Lol, that's pretty good. Especially "Italian dialects" for Spain, "Dalmatia" for Croatia, "Broken Empire" for Austria and "Europe" for Belgium.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    Lol, that's pretty good. Especially "Italian dialects" for Spain, "Dalmatia" for Croatia, "Broken Empire" for Austria and "Europe" for Belgium.
    I just love those maps. They are made by Yanko Tsvetkov, a Bulgarian artist. His book "Atlas of Prejudice" is simply hilarious.

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    TURKEY IRAN PAKISTAN ARE NOT "ARAB"

    THEY ARE TURKISH, PERSIAN AND PAKISTANI (INDIAN) RESPECTIVELY

    MUSLIM DOES NOT AUTOMATICALLY TRANSLATE TO ARAB

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    Quote Originally Posted by Radio View Post
    TURKEY IRAN PAKISTAN ARE NOT "ARAB"

    THEY ARE TURKISH, PERSIAN AND PAKISTANI (INDIAN) RESPECTIVELY

    MUSLIM DOES NOT AUTOMATICALLY TRANSLATE TO ARAB

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    In agreement, less caps lock, and the last bit. Though you could argue that Iran is a mixture of Arab's and Persians, since there were many Arab invasions hundreds of years ago and many people are now mixed. Actually i think there may be a crossover between Persians and Southern Indians (as in southern India) too? But not certain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geminatronix View Post
    Though you could argue that Iran is a mixture of Arab's and Persians, since there were many Arab invasions hundreds of years ago and many people are now mixed.
    that's true, still something rather distinct comes to mind when someone says ~arab~.

    Quote Originally Posted by Geminatronix View Post
    Actually i think there may be a crossover between Persians and Southern Indians (as in southern India) too? But not certain.
    the crossover was subsequently named pakistan, so you're right. still, more indian than persian, esp since shared language and so forth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    I think France has to be an intuitive "type" of some kind. It's one of the few european countries where intellectuality for its own sake it still prized. (...)
    Afraid not, according to local contacts.
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    This is seriously the funniest thread I've ever read on this otherwise dull forum. Hats off to @kadda1212.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterNi View Post
    This is seriously the funniest thread I've ever read on this otherwise dull forum. Hats off to @kadda1212.
    You have to thank the author of this amazing book. As I mentioned above: Yanko Tsvetkov, "Atlas of Prejudice". Really funny.
    There's another one I can recommend: "Life in Five Seconds" by Matteo Civaschi and Gianmarco Milesi. Simply awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kadda1212 View Post
    You have to thank the author of this amazing book. As I mentioned above: Yanko Tsvetkov, "Atlas of Prejudice". Really funny.
    There's another one I can recommend: "Life in Five Seconds" by Matteo Civaschi and Gianmarco Milesi. Simply awesome.
    I'll be sure to check it out thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ananke View Post
    Spain - IEE
    Colorful, fun-loving, happy, unique, not very efficient

    Italy - SEE
    Social, family oriented, macho, chaotic

    Germany - LSI
    Ordered, organized, polite, square

    Britain - LSE
    Managerial, aristocratic, traditional, cutthroat

    Norway - SLI
    Handy, individualistic, nature-oriented, rude

    Finland - EII
    Introverted, strange, melancholic, subdued

    Sweden - LII
    Diplomatic, naive, rule-abiding, impractical


    France - ESE
    Warm, cliquish, flamboyant, gourmets

    Denmark - SEE
    Hedonistic, mercantile, easygoing, confident

    Turkey - SLE
    Militant, intense, self-reliant, assertive

    Sweden pretty much defines practicality. They're one of the most economically stable nations in the world.
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