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Where can I find IEIs? (INFps)
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Last edited by bye; 11-27-2020 at 07:38 PM.
They really vary a lot, @Viktor. I know at least eleven of them IRL, and have dated a couple, but they vary all over the place.
I grew up with an IEI cousin, so I can almost instantly recognize them, but I'd be hard-pressed to explain how I do it. A first approximation would be to say that they look like they have one eye badly focused on this world, and the other eye is clearly focused on some intuitive dream world. They look soft and intuitive while sitting by themselves (ILI females look hard and intuitive). When they look your way, they give you a look like they can see clearly into your soul, but are reluctant to speak. When they do speak, you get a clear Fe-orientation from them.
They are super-reserved, and almost never initiate conversations.
Talk to one, and she will ask you what your super-power is. She is looking for Se. They love Se. If you want to close the distance, do something for them that involves doing something physical. Help them park their car. Help them carry groceries. Show them that you have done something with your life.
When they trust you, they will start talking about soft stuff. Maybe how their family acts. What they think they see.
When they really trust you, they will laugh and joke around, and might tell you what they really think.
If they bitch at you for no discernible reason, or point out something that you did that was pretty stupid, you know they are starting to like you.
Where I have met IEIs: foreign-language classes, poetry readings, songwriting workshops, humanities classes. I met one who was working in a bookstore, and a particularly lovely one who ran a boutique dress shop. Usually I just see them on the Internet, though.
LSI: “I still can’t figure out Pinterest.”
Me: “It’s just, like, idea boards.”
LSI: “I don’t have ideas.”
Midsummer Festival. Did you miss it this year?
http://www.socionics.com/vi/vi.htm
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
"There's a bunch of them on YouTube"... Nope.
Anyway, you can find me online and at university.
That's it. xD I rarely leave the house otherwise.
Apart from going out with friends once a week to watch a movie and discuss it afterwards.
I used to take piano, violin, and ballet lessons (mostly because of my parents' influence), but I have stopped with all that recently.
I didn't feel like my true strengths would be expressed doing those things, I am not really outstanding there, just average.
My SEE sister is much better at playing instruments and she goes to a music school of some kind, so I though to myself "Leave the music and such to the S types, SF in particular."
(Most famous musicians and dancers are Gamma SF, fyi.)
I have toyed with the idea of taking some modern dance lessons for almost a year now, and still haven't picked out a class.
I can be really slow when it comes to those things... Taking action for an IEI always takes more time than it should.
In the same vein, I have thought about going to some kind of Comic Book/Cosplay convention, or to a concert, or to a motorcycle event to meet some Beta STs (haha), but again, on my own I find it difficult to make myself do something like that.
Recently I went with a friend to a small sci-fi movies exhibition near the cinema we go to each week. She was just like "Hey, there is this exhibit, wanna come?" And I was like: "Oh, sure!"
Without people who push me or "awaken" me out of my mental slumber, or without responsibilities, I hardly do anything in the "real world".
Probably in low-end jobs cause they spent most of their school days day-dreaming instead of getting work done.
You have kinda described a stereotypical Ni subtype here. There are IEI-Fe and no subtype too. I only got this right because of the wonky eye. lol I have seen it. Mostly in Ni subs.Originally Posted by Adam Strange
IEI-Ni
Description by Victor Gulenko
Facial expression is typically interrogative. They seem calm, dreamy, and contemplative. Their line of behaviour is frequently passive. Romantic spirits. They live in the world of illusions, and they attempt to avoid negative emotions. They can be optimistic. They shrink away from conflict situations and support compromises. They are restrained in their clothing, elegant and refined. They can fulfill the functions of an abstract thinker, work in psychology and psychotherapy.
Sexual behavior
Act slowly, are patient and shy. Romantic, elevate themselves in feelings and dream about a great and prolonged love. Yielding in everyday demands (will try to be economically practical if their partner desires). Appear sexually timid, but their aim is for sexual harmony and the reaching of spiritual and physical perfection. Often act somewhat unsure of themselves. Require a volitional, decisive, active and energetic partner, whom possesses feelings of humor and inspiring confidence.
IEI-Fe
Description by Victor Gulenko
Flatters and is charming and communicable. If they see negative emotions in the people around them, they will try to arrange things so that people will calm down. They will mobilize well in dangerous situations. Loves to be in the centre of attention and dramatize proceedings, possesses a sense of humour. They easily manipulate by intonation and voice; can work successfully as a journalist --- They easily succeed in enticing the person they talk to. Outwardly they can appear extravagant; frequently takes a bohemian and bright form.
Sexual behavior
Strongly emotional and they express their emotions easily. Are coquettish, enticing, and dress with taste. The aesthetes in relations, they value good manners. Know how to provoke their partner’s initiative. Usually remain diplomatic but sometimes become capricious, exacting and easily agitated, however they are easily appeased. Love sexual games and prolonged preparations. Need a strong, loyal, practical, sensitive and initiative-taking partner; and sufficient support in their lives.
IEI-0
A mixture of both. But these descriptions could apply to other types too. :/
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
They are very rare - I met 5 in my life on a personal level and I'm not 100% sure for one of those 5 lol. Arts exhibitions, alternative music concerts, poetry readings, book stores, humanities and social sciences colleges are your best bet. They can be everywhere else ofc, but it will be very difficult to notice them.
No kidding... This is kind of typical of the male IEI I know but they still have much more than you would expect for having low end jobs. They are still young enough to implement their ideas. Some work hard on their dreams in their spare time. They also get by on the kindness of family, friends and strangers. :/
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
Yeah, wtf. There is a spectrum, it's not like every introvert is 100% introverted with no life. Does anybody even reads descriptions, jesus.You have kinda described a stereotypical Ni subtype here. There are IEI-Fe and no subtype too. I only got this right because of the wonky eye. lol I have seen it. Mostly in Ni subs.
IEI-Ni
Description by Victor Gulenko
Facial expression is typically interrogative. They seem calm, dreamy, and contemplative. Their line of behaviour is frequently passive. Romantic spirits. They live in the world of illusions, and they attempt to avoid negative emotions. They can be optimistic. They shrink away from conflict situations and support compromises. They are restrained in their clothing, elegant and refined. They can fulfill the functions of an abstract thinker, work in psychology and psychotherapy.
Sexual behavior
Act slowly, are patient and shy. Romantic, elevate themselves in feelings and dream about a great and prolonged love. Yielding in everyday demands (will try to be economically practical if their partner desires). Appear sexually timid, but their aim is for sexual harmony and the reaching of spiritual and physical perfection. Often act somewhat unsure of themselves. Require a volitional, decisive, active and energetic partner, whom possesses feelings of humor and inspiring confidence.
IEI-Fe
Description by Victor Gulenko
Flatters and is charming and communicable. If they see negative emotions in the people around them, they will try to arrange things so that people will calm down. They will mobilize well in dangerous situations. Loves to be in the centre of attention and dramatize proceedings, possesses a sense of humour. They easily manipulate by intonation and voice; can work successfully as a journalist --- They easily succeed in enticing the person they talk to. Outwardly they can appear extravagant; frequently takes a bohemian and bright form.
Sexual behavior
Strongly emotional and they express their emotions easily. Are coquettish, enticing, and dress with taste. The aesthetes in relations, they value good manners. Know how to provoke their partner’s initiative. Usually remain diplomatic but sometimes become capricious, exacting and easily agitated, however they are easily appeased. Love sexual games and prolonged preparations. Need a strong, loyal, practical, sensitive and initiative-taking partner; and sufficient support in their lives.
IEI-0
A mixture of both. But these descriptions could apply to other types too. :/
Actually, fourteen when I counted them up.
male IEI - lives off his LSE wife's income. House husband. Goes on Manhood quests.
male IEI - marriage counsellor, long married
male IEI - hair stylist, divorced from female LSE
female IEI - hair stylist. Unmarried. This is actually your best bet for meeting IEI's. Pay $70, get your hair styled, look for IEI's. It is cheaper than a night at the bar, and more certain, because IEI's almost never go to bars, unless it is with their friends to have fun, and not to meet guys. They do like to style hair. It satisfies their Se and Fe and gives their artistic side an outlet, and lets them make money in a way they understand.
female IEI - waitress, divorced with small kid
female IEI - therapist, married to male SEE musician/composer.
female IEI - dog sitter - my cousin. Divorced from IEI guy who decided he was gay.
female IEI - nurse, married to SLE guy.
female IEI - owns a French crepe shop, had been engaged to an LSE but he left her - I dated her.
female IEI - second in command of a tech company - mostly does human relations, divorced from ILE - I dated her.
female IEI - married to LSE owner of industrial laser company - mostly does sales, seems angry.
female IEI - nurse - inspector/checker for insurance company, divorced from abusive, cheating cop.
female IEI - girl in my HS class, I don't remember what she does. Living with an SLE guy.
female IEI - hostess at a small restaurant, married and very proper, but gets along great with SLE coworker.
Last edited by Adam Strange; 01-31-2017 at 09:51 PM.
Here. They saturate the place. We're IEI Central.
Look for alternative - underground parties where there is lots of drugs involved
Also true but only if you are into that type of thing. If looking for healthier relationships, avoid.A lot of NFs can get sucked into seedy underground scenes. It is just another form of escapism.
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
It is said the ancient Chinese poet Lao Tzu finally walked down the mountain with the understanding one can longer escape the ever turning cycles of this world.Also true but only if you are into that type of thing. If looking for healthier relationships, avoid.
I prefer to transcend anyway. <3
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
I've dated a couple of female LSI's and I work with a male LSI and two male SLE's. I'd say you are firmly in the SLE-Ti camp.Anime conventions, that'll be the dayYou didn't happen to see my "type me" video did you? Most people have agreed on SLE, but some have said LSI. The thing that made me wonder is that those who have questioned whether I'm SLE have mostly been betas, and obviously betas are going to have a good eye for other betas. You don't have to watch it if you haven't already, but if you have I'd like to know what you think. I feel like I need to sort that out before I go looking for a dual hehe
But really, you can figure this out on your own. Just date an IEI and then date an EIE. IEI's are quiet and sensitive (if you avoid the high voltage wires inside their heads) and are looking for a super-hero, while EIE's are random, can't be pinned down, look mischievous, and they love drama. EIE's will say that they hate drama, but they love drama. When I look into their eyes, they seem to be saying "How can I use my evil personality to fuck with everyone in the world?" Not that that is a bad thing. We all have our little quirks.
You won't hate IEIs.I totally know what you mean about EIEs hahah
I know of two LSI-Ti guys who actually prefer introverted women. Personal preference. Not everyone is the most attracted to their Dual.
Besides, interesting how my prophecy of you sticking with SLE etc. seems to be coming true.Haha.
(I won't mention it again, ha.)
LOL is that really prophecy? I knew he would too. That is a low standard for prophecy. The prophets are rolling in their graves.You won't hate IEIs.
I know of two LSI-Ti guys who actually prefer introverted women. Personal preference. Not everyone is the most attracted to their Dual.
Besides, interesting how my prophecy of you sticking with SLE etc. seems to be coming true.
(I won't mention it again, ha.)
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
I was being a bit facetious.LOL is that really prophecy? I knew he would too. That is a low standard for prophecy. The prophets are rolling in their graves.
I meant he'll stick with SLE, but that won't fit and he'll eventually come around to LSI.
But hey, who knows, right.
Heh, my third eye flashed red and sent a shot right through my heart chakra when I saw the word "prophecy".I was being a bit facetious.
I meant he'll stick with SLE, but that won't fit and he'll eventually come around to LSI.
But hey, who knows, right.
sorta kidding...
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
Can there ever be a final enlightenment? Something tells me there is no end. It seems that transcending is one of the last illusions, because there is no one to transcend. You cant kill the ego ever. Its part of the make up of your mind. Only let go on its grasp of life, its claiming everything for itself.
I want material success and recognition. I want all the objects and looks because of my vainity. Behind it all, and secretly, I know that I am not an "I". That I am just "selfing" myself into existence. That all is empty of a solid separate self identified entity. That the only transcending possible is for a self that never exists in the first place. I travel lighter in my quest for material prosperity, not attatching to the falsehoods of what I am. I can only be what I am not. And I might as well allow what I am not to run the show, play out its dramas, because it is going to anyway.
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
Fever Ray is dope. A thousand forest paths I've walked, Hood's story really resonates with me. In more ways then one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-3ra8JsmjkHeh, my third eye flashed red and sent a shot right through my heart chakra when I saw the word "prophecy".
sorta kidding...
I'm just a concerned citizen who isn't afraid of wild places and open spaces.
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Last edited by dot; 02-17-2020 at 12:47 PM.
You can find them in their houses sitting in front of their laptop. They want SLEs to show up on their doorsteps. Don't be surprised if they haven't eaten in 2 days.
LSI-Se 836 Sp/Sx
My impression is that most IEI's want someone who is competent at doing things in the world, who is manly, and confident, and gentlemanly, and it helps a lot if they are rich. This is why so many of them end up dating LSE's.
If not an LSE, if they prefer someone who "gets" them, then they are attracted to other IEI's. I think that most of them would never consider an SLE as a partner. SLE's are too rough and tumble for them.
Remember, most IEI's have never heard of socionics.
I have seen quite a number of IEIs and SLEs in gyms, but they seem to be there for different reasons: the IEI for personal image and or social expectations; and the SLE to prove something and or for the challenge. I've noted that both types can have what appears to be obsessive qualities in their efforts......
a.k.a. I/O
the teacher comes when the student is ready and they may not even look or feel teacher-ish. a gift of being newly introduced to socionics might be this incentive to go out ..just in case you meet a dual. however I think a greater gift is some understanding that you might not click with certain people for reasons other than either party being at fault/not good enough, which can make someone be socially avoidant in the first place (and often masquerade it as #notgivingashit). just taking wild guesses here, because the rabbit hole can go deep - as seen in numerous cases @all @round d w0rld
Viktor, I'm reading your posts and kind of laughing, but kind of not laughing, because you are walking the same path that I did when I first read that ESI's are my duals. It is like you can't believe this could be true. How the hell could they be your duals?
Have you heard of the seven stages of grief?
1. Disbelief. "No way. They are from another planet."
2. Denial. "This can't be true. I much prefer every other type. Even SLI's are better, for God's sake!"
3. Bargaining. "Look, maybe some mistake has been made. What if I'm not the type you think I am?"
4. Guilt. "Why don't I want them for a dual? Is there something wrong with me?"
5. Anger. "I didn't ask for this. This whole thing is bullshit."
6. Depression. "My life sucks. I'm never going to find a partner."
and then you accidentally meet a few Duals, and talk to them, and they are out-of-your-mind perfect, and you have no idea how this could be, but it is, and everything that people said about them is a lie, because they are great. Except for the part about them not being able to be sent to the store with a shopping list, because they will get lost or come back with something completely different. And so you come to the last stage:
7. Acceptance/hope "Somehow, I'm going to do whatever it takes to make this work."
Viktor, you are completely right here on every point that you mentioned. But there is one thing that you are missing.
You said, "I feel like we are the type most likely to start with nothing, but then work our way up somehow."
How do you think that happens?
An SLE is a superb action machine, sort of like an M1A2 Abrams Main Battle Tank, but the tank commander doesn't have a Navigator. The SLE's navigator is an IEI. The IEI can advise the Commander where to go and when to strike. Without that, the tank can drop into in a ditch, or fire too soon or too late, and end up as a hugely expensive, useless pile of junk, which pisses everyone off.
yeah you're right, it can be simple like that and my post is honestly quite likely on the gratuitous side
Wow, posting this was exhausting. I am going back to bed...
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
OK, that went off the rails pretty quickly.
Here is my own subjective experience with IEI's. In the video, there is an IEI and an SLE. Guess who is whom?
I still find it more likely EIEs are actually Viktor's "real" Duals.
(Based primarily on the fact I still believe he's rather LSI-Se.)
Being Se HA, EIEs are way less lazy and low energy than IEIs are.
His earlier comments seem to point at finding some issue with the Ip temperament (of IEIs specifically) + Te PoLR.
EIEs have Role Te, so they are different in that regard as well. More productive and energetic individuals as a whole, who usually feel like having to leave the house and interact with people.
Pretty much. I think my ex was an IEI. He never left his room in his moms house and played computer games all day and wouldn't work. I kept trying to get him out and it never worked. I ended our relationship because an entire relationship taking place in the IEIs childhood bedroom sounded like a nightmare.
LSI-Se 836 Sp/Sx
If anyone tries to say you're LSE, drop this paragraph on them and tell them golden said fuck off.
LSI: “I still can’t figure out Pinterest.”
Me: “It’s just, like, idea boards.”
LSI: “I don’t have ideas.”
I have noted many SLE who seem to motivate themselves by competing with others to try to prove that they're better in some way; more than a few seem to relish defeating others. I'm not implying that all would be like that. I/O is another online name that I use; read input/output or Icon O'clast.
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