i'm asking because nothing pops out as being particularly obvious to me and he's fairly low key on the forum without much noisy controversy about his type. and because his opinions about forum member types (including my own) are often different from the norm which is interesting to me. i don't see any serious problem with see but starting from scratch i suppose all i'd say is extroverted & not te dominant.
I thought Ne something at first, but I can be wrong.
EII FTW! Once I get that tattooed on my member no one will be able to refute my logic.
The link is above since my phone doesn't understand how to place links below stuff.
An overview of the various reasons that people think I am not SEE
- Initially when I entered this forum people seemed to cite my ability to both foster and participate in somewhat non-judgmental and emotionally expressive atmospheres of discussion as Fe-values. Actually after a few months of being active on this forum I went to a socionics gathering in Canada and stayed with Vero, this is relevant in that I drove to Canada with the users thehotelambush and chameleon who were roommates. At the gathering, and during the initial meeting where everyone was still getting comfortable with each other, I made an obvious effort to make everyone feel at ease and involve everyone in the discussion that took place over dinner as soon as we arrived. thehotelambush and chameleon thought that my ability to create such an amiable, expressive, and all inclusive atmosphere for people I'd just met was such a prevalent part of my personality that they actually were of the opinion that I was EIE or IEI.
- Its come up at various points that I seem a fair bit too logical to be an SEE type. This has always struck me as a particularly poor argument. Formal logic can be learned and is taught in most universities. Assuming that formal logic is in fact a Ti construction and a Ti view of the world, I don't think it solely attracts Ti valuers or Ti ego types. At this point I would like to bring up the somewhat common consensus that Socionics is a Ti construction and a Ti view of the world and it attracts a very wide variety of people for various reasons that may or may not value Ti. This argument or observation is always somewhat offensive to me in that it often strikes me as an indirect way for others to perpetuate the stereotype of SEEs being stupid and unintellectual.
- Blackberry I believe at one point or another thought I was SLE because most of my posts seemed offensive to her.
- From my own perspective I can be somewhat crude and abrasive at times and tend to be very willing to participate in rude, abrasive atmospheres.
-This is certainly not a common typing on 16t but seems to be the most common perspective on Perc. Essentially people make the observation that I seem fairly laid back, non-judgmental, and lacking in ambition as well as social agenda. These strike me as somewhat relevant observations about my character. Beyond the observational perspective of I seem a fair bit less harsh than some would expect an Se leading type to be, I've yet to hear anyone make an argument for Ne or Si values. Not to say that one can't be made, simply that no one has made it.
- From my own perspective I tend to be somewhat less harsh and less judgmental than most would expect gamma types to be. I certainly do concern myself with evaluating the character of others, but more often than not if I think negatively of someone I tend to not vocalize my perspective publicly.
-I believe the user heath thought I was boyish and quirky and that was evidence enough for an Alpha typing. While no one has asserted an Alpha type as the case in some time, the main argument behind such a typing is my jovial nature, and to heath's credit my ability to be 'quirky'.
I actually am not so much active on the forum itself, but do spend a fair amount of time directly interacting with members of the forum. While I may not post as often as most people who have been around for four years have, at various times I've likely skyped/PM'd/AIM'd with most of this forum's more prominent members.
I'm not sure how relevant to my type my contrarian nature regarding the types of others is but it could speak to something.
If it's possible to type purely by temperament, then I've successfully narrowed you down to four quadras. I think you EP.
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@JWC3 I haven't seen any solid reason to doubt your self-typing, honestly. As personal impressions go, I find you pleasantly energetic and fun to be around, even if our senses of humor have clashed in the past; the majority of any discomfort has been on your end, and I was actually rather surprised to hear about it. Whether our interactions would be different IRL is hard to say.
Last edited by JWC3; 09-04-2013 at 10:51 PM.
You certainly aren't a Delta. You have entirely different values. If Gamma wants you I won't put up a fuss, but you aren't one of those goofy SEEs. You're one of those SLEs who's only funny to your own people, and you don't value Fi.
There is a difference between tailoring sense of humor to fit crowd...vs to fit the more personal company one is in.
And Fe/Fi creative/demonstrative would naturally do either or both.
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Betas are quite welcoming I found, to a certain point. The point of no return, where shit hits the fan...
SLEs are pests. SEEs are weirdos. But they have a redeeming quality. When I talk to an SEE 1-1, I feel I can open up. But you're more likely to be tough and dismissive. Not rude though...you seem decent for an SLE. What makes you think you're a feeler?
Democratic EP. You seem pretty dandy.
As for what makes me think I'm a feeler, do you mean what makes me think I could be Fi creative? Why do I think I have Fi values? Or are you entertaining some Fe ego type? Feeler is a rather broad term.
EDIT: Also if your rationale for my lacking Fi values is not centered solely around my sense of humor, what is it? If it's easier, what's the rationale for Fe values over Fi values?
Last edited by JWC3; 09-07-2013 at 12:48 AM.
I'm just going to attempt to describe Fi vs Fe. I'll probably make a mess of it and you'll end up even more confused because that usually happens when I try to explain functions, but...
The white shapes are subjective. The black shapes are objective.
Si/Se is the pair I understand the best. An Se will have a good understanding of what is around them. An Si will have a personal connection to their surroundings and probably be better at feeling what's going on inside of them.
I'm drawing a blank on the Fi/Fe...but it correlates to Te/Ti. So I just have to explain why you are Ti, not Te.
Tes think more along the lines of a universal logic. To Tis, their thoughts/knowledge are more personal. So if I correct a Ti and try to explain that their private thoughts are false, they'll react like, "No, these are my thoughts! Mind your own thoughts." Also, I think Tes think more in lists and Tis think more in bubble charts, but that's just a theory.
Am I helping at all?
I'll try politics. That's usually good for starting an argument. It is impossible to have a society without some form of government. Governments are meant to protect and organize the people, because chaos leads to malfunction and in this world countries without protection never last long. Oppressive governments are also bad. I'm not sure of the exact reasoning behind that, but it's a premise. Countries have peer pressure like Middle-Schoolers do. When the Israelites were being led by heroes and prophets chosen by God, who did their thing to save the country then stepped down, all their neighbors had kings. Their system worked, but they got a king anyway. Now it's popular to have a president. And the United States is the trendsetter who pressurizes the nerdy kids into changing their style. But is a president any more likely to protect, organize, and be unoppressive than a good king or a benevolent dictator? I doubt it.
That should have worked well since it was a fresh concept for me that I realized while typing.
I presented everything as a fact until the end, when I offered opinion. I think for Tis, when they present things as fact, they assume "I think" is still at the beginning of their claims, even though it isn't. So I see that not as someone who thinks differently, but as someone who is wrong.