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    Socionics is incomplete like any other theory. I think it is better to explore and expand it rather than try to contain it.

    There is a balance of internal and external messages the brain receives and needs to process on a given day. External affects internal and internal affects external. If type is 100% biological, then we are excluding how external messages affect the brain.

    I also think that if there were ever to be a complete theory or even a more consistent one, much of the mystery of human relations would be gone. As much as I would love to *try* to come up with one, I feel as though it would really be a bad idea to know exactly what draws me to another person.

    Another thought I am having is that neither MBTI or socionics takes into account the external events affecting internal processing. Most of it is founded on a theory that people are inherently who they are.

    When I think of external, I think of mostly external issues related to culture. I have no idea if I would be the same person if I grew up in New York in a poor city with very little educational resources, in an uneducated family, and then moved to an entirely different location in my childhood..etc Idk! What if my trauma has shaped who I am in some way? What if the exposure to intelligent conversation or the schools I went to helped shaped my brain? What if being yelled at as a kid changed my auditory cortex in some way...etc

    My thoughts are all over the place, but what I am saying is that not everything is known about the brain yet, how can we actually determine if type is 100% biological or not? Even if you are born with a certain type, surely external events and circumstances can change patterns in the brain.

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    I think I just need to study more about the brain and anatomy and take a few psychology classes. Ok, I'm done venting. I sometimes feel very alone with my thoughts and writing in my journal doesn't always cut it. I could probably benefit from doing that tonight though.

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    I GOT IT! Type should be based off of how people extrapolate their epiphanies using the external and internal information they receive.

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    Type as a purely inborn and purely fixed thing just seems silly to me. Everything in this world moves and there's no exceptions, and even the stillest of objects occupy space differently than others. I always saw "type" as a shorthand of sorts, and in my typelists, if/when my notation gets really huge and obscure looking, that's because I'm going off what I pick up when and how I pick it up and writing down what I got as accurately as possible and with wherever and however much breathing room is necessary, not really trying to kludge my observations into convenient and portable packages after the fact. Thus, incomplete tritypings with no fixed permutation, stuff like "Se/Ni C-IxTx", etc.

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    Kludge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by woofwoofl View Post
    Type as a purely inborn and purely fixed thing just seems silly to me. Everything in this world moves and there's no exceptions, and even the stillest of objects occupy space differently than others. I always saw "type" as a shorthand of sorts, and in my typelists, if/when my notation gets really huge and obscure looking, that's because I'm going off what I pick up when and how I pick it up and writing down what I got as accurately as possible and with wherever and however much breathing room is necessary, not really trying to kludge my observations into convenient and portable packages after the fact. Thus, incomplete tritypings with no fixed permutation, stuff like "Se/Ni C-IxTx", etc.
    dynamic type....

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    LUL. I take it, everything in your static EII world stands still, Maritsa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Absurd View Post
    LUL. I take it, everything in your static EII world stands still, Maritsa.
    For the most part, it stays consistently even. I think both types look at different things anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa View Post
    For the most part, it stays consistently even. I think both types look at different things anyway.
    I bet, even the planet called Earth stopped moving. The car that passed you by wasn't moving as well, stood still...

    I wonder though whether you move or stand still when you drive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Absurd View Post
    I bet, even the planet called Earth stopped moving. The car that passed you by wasn't moving as well, stood still...

    I wonder though whether you move or stand still when you drive.
    That's too much movement, it's making my head dizzy..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa View Post
    That's too much movement, it's making my head dizzy..
    And my liver hurt.

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    People don't want to feel like they are victims of their environment, they want to feel in control so that's why the internal crap is rewarded more. But I kinda laugh because you obviously need both and they are sorta one in the same thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mallow View Post
    I think I just need to study more about the brain and anatomy and take a few psychology classes. Ok, I'm done venting. I sometimes feel very alone with my thoughts and writing in my journal doesn't always cut it. I could probably benefit from doing that tonight though.
    your avatar is of tiny marshmallows?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa View Post
    your avatar is of tiny marshmallows?
    herp

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