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    I was looking for my favorite traits on wikisocion and I found irrationals and askers favorable. I then found that they share the same positivist/negativist traits and started listing small groups based on rationality/irrationality, asking/declaring and positivist/negativist dichotomies. Now I want to collaboratively name each group. Also, if I could find some way to make these groups more popular, that'd be great.
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    ENTp - ILE
    INFp - IEI
    ESFp - SEE
    ISTp - SLI


    In common:
    -Irrationals
    -Positivists
    -Askers
    ____


    ISFp - SEI
    ESTp - SLE
    INTp - ILI
    ENFp - IEE


    In common:
    -Irrationals
    -Negativists
    -Declarers
    ____


    ESFj - ESE
    ISTj - LSI
    ENTj - LIE
    INFj - EII


    In common:
    -Rationals
    -Positivists
    -Declarers
    ____


    INTj - LII
    ENFj - EIE
    ISFj - ESI
    ESTj - LSE


    In common:
    -Rationals
    -Negativists
    -Askers

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    irrational-positivist-askers
    irrational-negativist-declarers
    rational-positivist-declarers
    rational-negativist-askers


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    Quote Originally Posted by lungs View Post
    irrational-positivist-askers
    irrational-negativist-declarers
    rational-positivist-declarers
    rational-negativist-askers

    Oh my!



    Quote Originally Posted by RGB View Post
    I was looking for my favorite traits on wikisocion and I found irrationals and askers favorable.
    This very interesting, particularly regarding how people approach these groups. I think that internally each group would disagree with one another. Are these groups of disagreement?

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    If you go onto this: http://zhilkin.com/socio/en/
    And choose any two dichotomies, then if you click around you will find a third dichotomy that doesn't change anything, so would be an extra descriptive part of the same grouping.

    For example,
    * tactical-result-ethical; tactical-process-logical; strategic-result-logical; strategic-process-ethical
    * tactical-asking-yielding; tactical-declaring-obstinate; strategic-asking-obstinate; strategic-declaring-yielding
    And so on.
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    I think we should start by describing the behavior these small groups describe i.e. what do these types have as commonalities?
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    All small groups have similar intertype relations, that's what makes them small groups

    Quote Originally Posted by small group
    ENTp - ILE
    INFp - IEI
    ESFp - SEE
    ISTp - SLI


    In common:
    -Irrationals
    -Positivists
    -Askers

    ISFp - SEI
    ESTp - SLE
    INTp - ILI
    ENFp - IEE


    In common:
    -Irrationals
    -Negativists
    -Declarers


    ESFj - ESE
    ISTj - LSI
    ENTj - LIE
    INFj - EII


    In common:
    -Rationals
    -Positivists
    -Declarers
    ____


    INTj - LII
    ENFj - EIE
    ISFj - ESI
    ESTj - LSE


    In common:
    -Rationals
    -Negativists
    -Askers
    The relationships in these groups are Super-ego, Illusion, semi-dual

    These are all the same small group

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    I'm curious about how these groups would observably interact within themselves.
    The reason why I want help naming them is because I already have a favorite group and I don't want to be biased.

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    The top group is actually type for type my most inner circle of friends. Describe what you want to know.
    Projection is ordinary. Person A projects at person B, hoping tovalidate something about person A by the response of person B. However, person B, not wanting to be an obejct of someone elses ego and guarding against existential terror constructs a personality which protects his ego and maintain a certain sense of a robust and real self that is different and separate from person A. Sadly, this robust and real self, cut off by defenses of character from the rest of the world, is quite vulnerable and fragile given that it is imaginary and propped up through external feed back. Person B is dimly aware of this and defends against it all the more, even desperately projecting his anxieties back onto person A, with the hope of shoring up his ego with salubrious validation. All of this happens without A or B acknowledging it, of course. Because to face up to it consciously is shocking, in that this is all anybody is doing or can do and it seems absurd when you realize how pathetic it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pookie View Post
    The top group is actually type for type my most inner circle of friends. Describe what you want to know.
    1. I want collaborative help naming the groups
    2. I want to know how these groups behave upon observation

    That's it. :b

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    Quote Originally Posted by anndelise View Post
    If you go onto this: http://zhilkin.com/socio/en/
    And choose any two dichotomies, then if you click around you will find a third dichotomy that doesn't change anything, so would be an extra descriptive part of the same grouping.

    For example,
    * tactical-result-ethical; tactical-process-logical; strategic-result-logical; strategic-process-ethical
    * tactical-asking-yielding; tactical-declaring-obstinate; strategic-asking-obstinate; strategic-declaring-yielding
    And so on.
    Wow, I can figure out anyone's type with this tool. Even fictional characters. Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RGB View Post
    1. I want collaborative help naming the groups
    2. I want to know how these groups behave upon observation

    That's it. :b
    Who is observing us is going to change the answer to #2 dramatically.
    Are you asking about the rhythm of the group, the appearance of the group, the interactions amongst it, or the directions they headntowards as a whole.
    The question is to vague to give you any type of satisfying answer. Reword it.

    Im not sure of a name. Every element is represented once and only once. The democractic extroverts and the aristocratic introverts describe an interesting dynamic. Very assertively inviting and warm but skeptical and constantly assessing. Though i would assume theres going to be debate among the super egos and thebother types will validify sides alternatively. Eventually i think the group would split up beforecoming back together later
    Projection is ordinary. Person A projects at person B, hoping tovalidate something about person A by the response of person B. However, person B, not wanting to be an obejct of someone elses ego and guarding against existential terror constructs a personality which protects his ego and maintain a certain sense of a robust and real self that is different and separate from person A. Sadly, this robust and real self, cut off by defenses of character from the rest of the world, is quite vulnerable and fragile given that it is imaginary and propped up through external feed back. Person B is dimly aware of this and defends against it all the more, even desperately projecting his anxieties back onto person A, with the hope of shoring up his ego with salubrious validation. All of this happens without A or B acknowledging it, of course. Because to face up to it consciously is shocking, in that this is all anybody is doing or can do and it seems absurd when you realize how pathetic it is.

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    The If-Only-They-Were-Duals! ring

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pookie View Post
    Who is observing us is going to change the answer to #2 dramatically.
    Are you asking about the rhythm of the group, the appearance of the group, the interactions amongst it, or the directions they headntowards as a whole.
    The question is to vague to give you any type of satisfying answer. Reword it.
    I'm looking to name the appearance of the groups.

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    They're Causal-Determinists; I mean, the first group is.

    http://www.wikisocion.org/en/index.p...nist_Cognition

    Causal Determinists,
    Dialectical Algorithmics
    Holographical Panoramics
    Vortical Synergetics
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    The first group is split between CD and VS
    Projection is ordinary. Person A projects at person B, hoping tovalidate something about person A by the response of person B. However, person B, not wanting to be an obejct of someone elses ego and guarding against existential terror constructs a personality which protects his ego and maintain a certain sense of a robust and real self that is different and separate from person A. Sadly, this robust and real self, cut off by defenses of character from the rest of the world, is quite vulnerable and fragile given that it is imaginary and propped up through external feed back. Person B is dimly aware of this and defends against it all the more, even desperately projecting his anxieties back onto person A, with the hope of shoring up his ego with salubrious validation. All of this happens without A or B acknowledging it, of course. Because to face up to it consciously is shocking, in that this is all anybody is doing or can do and it seems absurd when you realize how pathetic it is.

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    Maybe these kind have a hard time maintaining a conversation.

    Asker keep declarers talking. vs 2 or 4 askers would feel somekind of emptyness in the conversation.
    Same goes of positivist and negativist.

    Maybe these group would be good inside a class room, with a teacher that is the opposite.
    For askers positivists, a teacher that is declaring negativist. (but the teacher should be Perceiving like them.)

    This might be one of the best way to make 4 schools, adapted to personality types.

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    I think we feel something for all those types.

    I had a crush on all the types that are the opposite of me.
    I'm ILE, and had a crush on an SEI, ILI and IEE.
    -.-
    Then again, I have a lot of crushs.

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    @RGB Go to Dandy McDoodle's facebook page. There is some dude obsessed with this stuff there.
     
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    Okay guys, I just want to mention that I was a huge socionics n00b when I made this thread. I kinda want to apologize for this almost useless suggestion. XD

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    This kind of thread is like a rite of passage for ILEs.

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    Excuse my while I close this.
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