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    Idk if this happens to anyone else, but I'm having a bitch of a time trying to find out what my type is. I've read every type and subtype imaginable that would fit me. I just don't get it. The worst part? Everyone I get close to a breakthrough in this, I just end up feeling lost. To be honest, I'm starting to think that learning about socionics is a fat waste of my time. Just to let you know, every test I take I seem to get different results. The most frequent type I have gotten is ISTP. Thing is, I don't look SLI. And I'm not sure I really act like it either. So tell me, with Te as a creative function, wouldn't I just KNOW my type? Or at least have figured out that most other types don't apply to me? I know I'm new, and I know it's asking alot, but could someone please just to help me figure this out? I can assure you, that while I'm not an expert in this stuff (clearly) I do know SOME things. I am aware of how the functions work as far as leading, creative, mobilizing suggestive, I just don't know what my type is. I've labeled it down to 3 that makes sense for me in this order...SLI, IEE, SEE

    Any constructive answer would be cool. I'm sorry to vent, and I know its asking alot. But to be honest, I'm sick of reading, and I need results

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    Sometimes stupid shit does this.

    It's amazing that something can make such little sense that it makes you feel stupid for not understanding it.

    You need results like I needed that second slice of cake this morning, kiddo.
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    Socionics is very accurate on so many levels. Perhaps is just that people don't understand what typology is in general.

    It's wrong to focus on behavioural patterns. Sure, most IEEs are crazy but it isn't like you can't find a few who are perfectly self-contained. And if you're looking for poker faced SLIs you're up for disappointment because many SLIs are very socially outgoing.

    What you need to focus are on deeper characteristics. Understand functions and see what you really value. Socionics has many axis defined by those functions and it's pretty much impossible to mistake someone for a wrong type when you take them all into account. Merry/serious, dynamic/static, pragmatic/idealist, etc.

    Perhaps it's because I'm intuitive myself but I tend to begin my typings with the quadras. Once you get each quadra's vibe it's pretty difficult to mistake a Beta for an Alpha.
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    @ scapegrace, yeah, I guess it is kinda stupid. I just get sick of it after awhile. At mikemex what exactly do you mean by "deeper characteristics"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikemex View Post
    Socionics is very accurate on so many levels. Perhaps is just that people don't understand what typology is in general.

    It's wrong to focus on behavioural patterns. Sure, most IEEs are crazy but it isn't like you can't find a few who are perfectly self-contained. And if you're looking for poker faced SLIs you're up for disappointment because many SLIs are very socially outgoing.

    What you need to focus are on deeper characteristics. Understand functions and see what you really value. Socionics has many axis defined by those functions and it's pretty much impossible to mistake someone for a wrong type when you take them all into account. Merry/serious, dynamic/static, pragmatic/idealist, etc.

    Perhaps it's because I'm intuitive myself but I tend to begin my typings with the quadras. Once you get each quadra's vibe it's pretty difficult to mistake a Beta for an Alpha.
    What is your opinion on the lexical hypothesis, and the personality theories derived from it? You might be familiar with it through the Big Five personality traits.

    (I'm interested in the opinion of @anndelise and @Kim as well on the above, as well.)

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    Profile pics for VI? Ok I can probably do that. What type of pics do u need exactly?

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    Socionics becomes more relevant the longer you spend on typing forums.

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    http://www.sociotype.com/tests/

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    Don't end up IEE Ne though...

    You would have to battle mikemex for ultimate prize and we don't want that at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikemex View Post
    Socionics is very accurate on so many levels. Perhaps is just that people don't understand what typology is in general.

    It's wrong to focus on behavioural patterns. Sure, most IEEs are crazy but it isn't like you can't find a few who are perfectly self-contained. And if you're looking for poker faced SLIs you're up for disappointment because many SLIs are very socially outgoing.

    What you need to focus are on deeper characteristics. Understand functions and see what you really value. Socionics has many axis defined by those functions and it's pretty much impossible to mistake someone for a wrong type when you take them all into account. Merry/serious, dynamic/static, pragmatic/idealist, etc.

    Perhaps it's because I'm intuitive myself but I tend to begin my typings with the quadras. Once you get each quadra's vibe it's pretty difficult to mistake a Beta for an Alpha.
    Once you narrow down your quadra, or eliminate quadras that don't resonate with you, you can consider temperaments to help narrow down your type. http://www.wikisocion.org/en/index.p...le=Temperament

    EP temperament (Flexible-maneuvering)
    EJ temperament (Linear-assertive)
    IP temperament (Receptive-adaptive)
    IJ temperament (Balanced-stable)
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    Quote Originally Posted by xerx View Post
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    @ShadoW805 Just from reading your introductory post, my reaction was this doesn't remind me much of SLI. I think @xerx may be on to something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by A Grain of a Song of Sand View Post
    What is your opinion on the lexical hypothesis, and the personality theories derived from it? You might be familiar with it through the Big Five personality traits.

    (I'm interested in the opinion of @anndelise and @Kim as well on the above, as well.)
    What are you referring to when you say lexical hypothesis?
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    Regarding the OP, I'd recommend spending time typing information before typing yourself/others. I strongly believe that once a person can type the different informations required for an activity or such, then it's easier to recognize when someone values that type of information or prefers to subdue it so they can focus on a different type of information.

    I also agree with the quadra approach. Maybe spend some time looking over posts written in each quadra and see which quadra feels more like your style...where you would feel comfortable at. Or analyze which types of convers you like, which you'd rather avoid all together, and which types of convers you wish was going on. (Especially since Alpha lacks many SF posts, while Beta lacks many ST posts.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShadoW805 View Post
    At mikemex what exactly do you mean by "deeper characteristics"?
    Well, Socionics uses jungian axes and they're pretty much untouched:

    Introversion - Extroversion
    Thinking - Feeling
    Sensation - Intuition

    Sensation for example, means literality, involvement. Sensors deal well with the current situation they are in, perceive all the relevant details with ease and are in general well aware and connected to the present. This costs them the ability to deal with stuff unrelated to the immediate situation. Obviously, the degree on this limitation is largely exaggerated but compared to intuitives, sensors have a much more limited world view. Intuition means the opposite: meaningness, detachment (abstraction). Intuitives think about unrelated (to sensors) stuff such as things that happened in the past or will happen in the future. Or about places they've never been in. Or stuff that doesn't exist yet. Or about the inner world of people... their perception is so wide that they find it difficult to concentrate in the immediate world.

    Every person possess and can use all the eight functions, so it's not a matter of "I can and you can't". It's about the proficiency level of using either mode. For example, I've got an ESE brother and it always amazes me the detailed memory he has. He can remember things well, down to the shape, color, position, etc. I tend to overlook such details but I can retain such information if I really make an effort. In return, I have a much deeper understanding of most issues than he does because intuition allows me to see the essence of things without being distracted by all the details.. He understands generalizations but assimilates them very slowly and with a great deal of effort.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anndelise View Post
    What are you referring to when you say lexical hypothesis?
    Sorry, the lexical hypothesis of personality, and the theories derived from it.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lexical_hypothesis

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShadoW805 View Post
    Idk if this happens to anyone else, but I'm having a bitch of a time trying to find out what my type is. I've read every type and subtype imaginable that would fit me. I just don't get it. The worst part? Everyone I get close to a breakthrough in this, I just end up feeling lost. To be honest, I'm starting to think that learning about socionics is a fat waste of my time. Just to let you know, every test I take I seem to get different results. The most frequent type I have gotten is ISTP. Thing is, I don't look SLI. And I'm not sure I really act like it either. So tell me, with Te as a creative function, wouldn't I just KNOW my type? Or at least have figured out that most other types don't apply to me? I know I'm new, and I know it's asking alot, but could someone please just to help me figure this out? I can assure you, that while I'm not an expert in this stuff (clearly) I do know SOME things. I am aware of how the functions work as far as leading, creative, mobilizing suggestive, I just don't know what my type is. I've labeled it down to 3 that makes sense for me in this order...SLI, IEE, SEE

    Any constructive answer would be cool. I'm sorry to vent, and I know its asking alot. But to be honest, I'm sick of reading, and I need results
    Interestingly the first type that came to my mind reading the first couple lines of your OP was SLI

    in my experience one can see oneself in their dual's type description as well, just because that is what you admire and wish you were like.

    SLIs can have different "looks" to them. and as far as acting like an SLI, there are many misconceptions out there about that...


    that said, there is no good test for socionics types, but sounds like you've done quite a bit of studying already, and i concur with the types you are considering.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikemex View Post
    Socionics is very accurate on so many levels. Perhaps is just that people don't understand what typology is in general.

    It's wrong to focus on behavioural patterns. Sure, most IEEs are crazy but it isn't like you can't find a few who are perfectly self-contained. And if you're looking for poker faced SLIs you're up for disappointment because many SLIs are very socially outgoing.
    This has rung very true in my experience as well. And in contrast some variants of IEEs can be quite socially introverted and homebodies (like myself well, i can be outgoing sometimes, but sometimes not)


    Perhaps it's because I'm intuitive myself but I tend to begin my typings with the quadras. Once you get each quadra's vibe it's pretty difficult to mistake a Beta for an Alpha.
    This is my approach as well...
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    Quote Originally Posted by A Grain of a Song of Sand View Post
    What is your opinion on the lexical hypothesis, and the personality theories derived from it? You might be familiar with it through the Big Five personality traits.

    (I'm interested in the opinion of @anndelise and @Kim as well on the above, as well.)
    To be honest, I didn't know of that, I'll think about it. In the meantime, I'd say that language is an acquired skill and thus, it's not really related to the essence of a person.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShadoW805 View Post
    Idk if this happens to anyone else, but I'm having a bitch of a time trying to find out what my type is. I've read every type and subtype imaginable that would fit me. I just don't get it. The worst part? Everyone I get close to a breakthrough in this, I just end up feeling lost. To be honest, I'm starting to think that learning about socionics is a fat waste of my time. Just to let you know, every test I take I seem to get different results. The most frequent type I have gotten is ISTP. Thing is, I don't look SLI. And I'm not sure I really act like it either. So tell me, with Te as a creative function, wouldn't I just KNOW my type? Or at least have figured out that most other types don't apply to me? I know I'm new, and I know it's asking alot, but could someone please just to help me figure this out? I can assure you, that while I'm not an expert in this stuff (clearly) I do know SOME things. I am aware of how the functions work as far as leading, creative, mobilizing suggestive, I just don't know what my type is. I've labeled it down to 3 that makes sense for me in this order...SLI, IEE, SEE

    Any constructive answer would be cool. I'm sorry to vent, and I know its asking alot. But to be honest, I'm sick of reading, and I need results

    What do you do? Do you like to watch people's actions and judge what they do and how they behave?

    Try the link in my signature for the description of the functions and choose functions not descriptions. The reason why I say this is because human beings can have variations in behavior based on their environment and other nurtured ways.

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    I seriously don't think he's SLE because SLE, when choosing their type will go experimenting all types, like trying them out as if the were shoes, only later picking and sticking with their type, this behavior manifests here on the forum...like what DJ Arendee and many other Beta Types do in switching to and from a type to live it/experience it; this person is just thinking about which type fits best.

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    I tend to think that those who can't seem to pinpoint their actions and have a lot of possible ideas as to their type kind of helps to type them to begin with. Doesn't the fact that someone's having trouble with a concrete description of your self in accordance to a system like Socionics say something about them? Not like there's anything wrong with that, just an idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackholeRoad View Post
    I tend to think that those who can't seem to pinpoint their actions and have a lot of possible ideas as to their type kind of helps to type them to begin with. Doesn't the fact that someone's having trouble with a concrete description of your self in accordance to a system like Socionics say something about them? Not like there's anything wrong with that, just an idea.
    Possibly, yes; and that is that the idea of themselves is sometimes internal rather than external. For instance I meet LSE who type themselves an introverted type and a feeler, this I've discovered is because they think of themselves according to an idea, this idea being that they assume certain traits to be attached to ONLY these types, which isn't accurate; one has to look at what they do, how they do it, and their social purpose.

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    That's very observant of you Maritsa.

    I'm sure that would never happen to other types, for example a mistyped ESE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by InvisibleJim View Post
    That's very observant of you Maritsa.

    I'm sure that would never happen to other types, for example a mistyped ESE.
    bait....

    My mother is the most observant person of me both internally and externally; she would know better than you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa View Post
    I seriously don't think he's SLE because SLE, when choosing their type will go experimenting all types, like trying them out as if the were shoes, only later picking and sticking with their type, this behavior manifests here on the forum...like what DJ Arendee and many other Beta Types do in switching to and from a type to live it/experience it; this person is just thinking about which type fits best.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa View Post
    bait....

    My mother is the most observant person of me both internally and externally; she would know better than you.
    Is she a geophysicist and uses a stethoscope and sound to determine your sociotype?

    Maybe she's a robotics expert and uses a laparoscope?

    Socionics is so much easier when you can just look at the three letter code tattooed onto peoples hind brain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by InvisibleJim View Post
    Is she a geophysicist and uses a stethoscope and sound to determine your sociotype?

    Maybe she's a robotics expert and uses a laparoscope?

    Socionics is so much easier when you can just look at the three letter code tattooed onto peoples hind brain.

    Advanced VI. Gulenko would be proud.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa View Post
    uhum. She's awesome at it
    Oh my.

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    Quote Originally Posted by InvisibleJim View Post
    Oh my.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa View Post
    On the constant rise.
    The only way is up Maritsa!

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    Quote Originally Posted by InvisibleJim View Post
    The only way is up Maritsa!

    Big money, big women, big fun.
    Apparently so. Don't forget your soul while you're doing it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa View Post
    Apparently so. Don't forget your soul while you're doing it.
    I have an exquisite collection of souls. Some are big and some are small, some are even mistyped.

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    Quote Originally Posted by InvisibleJim View Post
    I have a exquisite collection of souls. Some are big and some are small, some are even mistyped.
    Excellent; now that you're SLI maybe you can build yourself a lovely shelf to display them all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa View Post
    Excellent; now that you're SLI maybe you can build yourself a lovely shelf to display them all.
    What a rare notion. Alas I'm afraid souls despise being left in storage; they must be hugged, caressed and entertained continuously; otherwise they become dispirited.

    I'm too humanist to store my soul collection so against their wishes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by InvisibleJim View Post
    What a rare notion. Alas I'm afraid souls despise being left in storage; they must be hugged, caressed and entertained continuously; otherwise they become dispirited.

    I'm too humanist to store my soul collection so against their wishes.
    This is getting nowhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa View Post
    This is getting nowhere.
    And here was me thinking it was just getting friendly and amiable!

    The only way is up, don't be a debbie downer Maritsa.

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    How do I watch people? Well the way I see it actions speak louder than words. I don't really require correctness from others unless I feel that they are acting out of place. I observe what they do, if they care for me our not. If not,I see no reason to interact with said person unless I need them in some way. It takes time for most people to be anything more than that. For themost part though, personal harmony is very important. And if I can be of service to someone, I would hope to earn their respect. I might say something mean to someone else, but it's usually meant to defend myself or what I know for a fact is right..and yes I knowthat I don't know everything so toss that out.

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    “Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”

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    You've done yourself a huge favor developmentally by mustering the balls to do something really fucking scary... in about the most vulnerable situation possible.

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