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    Anyone? I just started to watch and I am going gaga over this onslaught of half-naked (occasionally naked) gladiators, blood, and sex. And the hottest gay couple in the history of television hasn't even shown up yet. It goes very well with a sixpack (lame pun totally intended).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kim View Post
    Anyone? I just started to watch and I am going gaga over this onslaught of half-naked (occasionally naked) gladiators, blood, and sex. And the hottest gay couple in the history of television hasn't even shown up yet. It goes very well with a sixpack (lame pun totally intended).
    Nope. I'm extremely offended that it treats men as sex objects.
    It was in the reign of George III that the aforesaid personages lived and quarrelled; good or bad, handsome or ugly, rich or poor, they are all equal now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xerx View Post
    Nope. I'm extremely offended that it treats men as sex objects.
    It treats women as sex objects, too. I am just not particularly interested in sexy women.
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    To complete your sexual objectification of men, you should sniff gladiator sweat mixed with olive oil like ancient Roman women used to do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xerx View Post
    To complete your sexual objectification of men, you should sniff gladiator sweat mixed with olive oil like ancient Roman women used to do.
    Believe me, if I could find myself a gladiator, I would.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dolphin View Post
    Now you know how women feel.
    To be serious for a second, I don't really care what other guys choose to do, and it isn't something I can stop if I did. ( nonetheless, it's creepy as hell to be turned on by men killing each other, though there are a few worse fetishes I guess. )
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    Oh for heaven's sake!
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    I've seen it and its a bit over loaded in its portrayal of sex and violence and is a sort of dionysus version of ancient roman society. The main plot line though revolves less around those aspects as trying to tell a modified version of a slave/gladiator who seeks freedom. The conditions of his slavery are of course sympathetic so the audience relates to the protagonist.

    Still like Ridley Scott's version the best:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcL7nYVcrbk

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    The first season and the prequel season were entertaining, but after that it was just sort of meh. Seriously though, I think you see every single actor and actress on that show naked at some point.
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    Hope it features feminists fighting capitalism and bolsheviks saying it is necessary even though no such movement was needed in SU.

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    Right on the money once again.

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    Just for the record, the fight scenes are far less interesting than the story and the gorgeous men running around. But really, there are not many shows out there that have more half-naked male bodies than female ones and I appreciate, however odd that sounds, that both genders are objectified equally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dolphin View Post
    The problem is not simply sexual objectification because fantasy and sex and lovemaking and bodies are not inherently bad. The problem is who's story is told at what frequency. That's why I posted an alternative to Robin Thicke's "Blurred Lines" because it involves the women wearing the business suits and the men prancing around in their underwear. You judge the shit out of women for having this huge role of being sexually objectified in our society by making thread titles like "Women Hate Sluts" and then calling women who give themselves sexually in exchange for a living situation are "bums" and "losers" and yet you refuse to take responsibility for your gender being the biggest perpetuator of this power imbalance. Its women AND men's problem - the way women are objectified is often the men's fantasy. You say its not your problem, then when Kim says she gets all steamed up by naked male gladiators, you're is the first one in to be offended. That's what I find irritating. Well this is someone else's fantasy and viewpoint of what is sexy and it involves naked male gladiators. So deal with it, because women have been dealing with other's fantasies of them for a long time and if you're not willing to give their point of view credence I fail to see what good it would do anyone to walk a mile in your judgmental ass.
    lol. I don't actually care what Kim finds attractive. I thought that my remarks were jokey taken as a whole, especially the post about gladiator sweat. I then made my position clear - in the post you quoted - that I didn't care what men (or women) chose to do with their sexuality because of their freedom of expression.

    As for women being losers and bums for choosing to stay at home, I was addressing Miemex's description of women who more less chose to become some pre-feminist 50s housewife. If you have no choice in working - if you can't find a job / raising kids / whatever - then obviously that's different. But anyone willfully abusing someone else's money is a loser. I have every right to say this, because I've been in that situation before and chose to grow up. I regret that I didn't make that clear in my post.

    And as for "my gender" committing abuses against women, I personally don't identify with any of it. I treat women as equals and don't see why I should be lumped in with scumbags who abuse women in myriad ways. I don't go for identity politics, thank you very much.
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    Looks like xerx is trying to evade you with his sexist Marxist rhetoric, Dolphin...

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    This show is some kind of absurd toss up between desperate housewives and Sparta.

    If the Roman protagonists spent half as much time directly dealing with Spartacus instead of screwing and betraying each other they would have finished by the 2nd episode.

    If the Rebel Slave protagonists spent half as much time overthrowing Rome instead of screwing and betraying each other they would have had a successful revolution by the 2nd episode.

    I'm glad we have returned to a condition where sexual objectification is not only socially acceptable, but economically profitable and allowed on the forum without rock throwing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by InvisibleJim View Post

    I'm glad we have returned to a condition where sexual objectification is not only socially acceptable, but economically profitable and allowed on the forum without rock throwing.
    Make sure you differentiate when commenting on previous objections to the objectification of women. I have never objected to a television show that objectifies women. My criticism when it comes to sexism is geared towards other forms thereof and therefore my drooling over male gladiators does not pose a contradiction.

    There will probably other forum members who object to Spartacus because it objectifies and that's ok. I pick my battles in ways that allow for some enjoyable distractions during my battle with everpresent sexism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kim View Post
    Make sure you differentiate when commenting on previous objections to the objectification of women. I have never objected to a television show that objectifies women. My criticism when it comes to sexism is geared towards other forms thereof and therefore my drooling over male gladiators does not pose a contradiction.

    There will probably other forum members who object to Spartacus because it objectifies and that's ok. I pick my battles in ways that allow for some enjoyable distractions during my battle with everpresent sexism.
    Agreed,

    Men and women should be allowed to get their junk out in good taste. They should also allowed to groom and treat their body as commodity if that is what they choose to do.

    People should even be allowed to join them in their fun and games if that is their thing, or not if it is not their thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dolphin View Post
    Exhibit one - the *problem* is you not caring. The problem is you coming in the thread with your entitlement in tow and complaining about men being sexually objectified when you don't even care what Kim finds attractive. You should care what Kim finds attractive because Kim has just as much right as you to find whoever she wants to be attractive and a turn on.
    No, there is absolutely no reason why I'd want to care about other people's sexual preferences.
    And Kim, or anyone else, can have whatever sexual thoughts they want. That's my position. Period.

    If you were in that situation - then where the hell is YOUR accountability? You gave someone a living situation in exchange for sex and you can't deal with feeling used so you blame it on the woman instead of acknowledging that it is probably a lot more complicated? Wow.
    Actually, I have taken responsibility and DO blame myself for not taking it sooner. And it wasn't for sex (unfortunately).

    Women as equals? Lol. You engage in misogyny regularly. You are engaging in it in this very thread, and you don't seem to see that at all.
    Hahahaha, no.
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    Period sounds really sexist.

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    Well...

    Doesn't really go well for any one's struggles against sexism with that kind of strong language.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dolphin View Post
    You should care because caring is a way you could clue into what other people are thinking and feeling and maybe it would stop you coming off as so judgmental. Don't misrepresent me as saying you are some kind of misogynistic douchebag trying to take things back to the 14th century. Misogyny is an attitude that is just as often subtle it is blatantly abusive. I never said you were on a campaign to burn women at the stake. I said that your attitude contains a lot of subtle and not so subtle misogyny. If you are not willing to take responsibility for the implicit attitude of the things you have said many times then you do not get it.
    I understand that you were just reacting to strong language, and I'm not blaming you or anything. (:
    And I can see how strong language can make someone seem like a douchebag, at least ostensibly.

    But I'm not going to think about Kim's sex life, or choose to analyze her feelings. That maybe an area of creativity for you, but I'm not emotive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xerx View Post

    But I'm not going to think about Kim's sex life, or choose to analyze her feelings. That maybe an area of creativity for you, but I'm not emotive.
    She is not asking you to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kim View Post
    She is not asking you to.
    lol, its right there at the top of a post...

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    Quote Originally Posted by dolphin View Post
    Actually you should. You should think about Kim's sex life because if you put yourself in her or another woman's shoes you would see that how you think about things and come across about things is offensive. You said originally: "Nope. I'm extremely offended that it treats men as sex objects." If you meant it ironically it was in poor taste and if you meant it seriously its just insulting. Why can't Kim make a thread about finding gladiators sexy without you making some ironic comment calling attention to the sexual objectification of men when you can't even realize that your constant attitude across the forum is this low level misogyny? I mean, why is what you think so important here?
    The back-and-forth conversation in the first four posts was of an entirely jocular nature. I don't really know what else to say.

    In chatbox you mockingly compare my attitude to the 1400s - you haven't demonstrated that you even understand the societal burden women carry and how drawing awareness to it is such a pain in the ass with your kind of attitude. But thanks for not blaming me xerx! Lmao.
    WHAT THE FUCK? I said that the Syrian rebels (specifically referring to Jabhat al-Nusra and other extremist factions) wanted to turn the clock back to the 1400s and impose shariah law.

    What does that have to do with you? Are you a member of Al-Qaeda or something?

    You should think about Kim's sex life
    Nop. Not going to happen in any quantum reality that I'm a part of.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xerx View Post
    Nop. Not going to happen in any quantum reality that I'm a part of.
    Sheesh, relax - nobody is putting a gun to your head and forcing you to go down this revolting road of sweat and shame.

    I DON'T EVEN HAVE A FUCKING SEX LIFE! Why do you think I am watching sweaty gladiators?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kim View Post
    Sheesh, relax - nobody is putting a gun to your head and forcing you to go down this revolting road of sweat and shame.

    I DON'T EVEN HAVE A FUCKING SEX LIFE! Why do you think I am watching sweaty gladiators?
    Thank you for letting me off the hook.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xerx View Post
    Thank you for letting me off the hook.
    You are welcome. Just try to be a little less forceful with your refusal next time - delicate feelings might get hurt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kim View Post
    You are welcome. Just try to be a little less forceful with your refusal next time - delicate feelings might get hurt.
    To that I counter: you are free to be as forceful as you want in making fun of my - at the moment - non-existent sex-life.
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    from another female's and outsider's perspective, i don't see xerx as misogynistic, including subtly or unconsciously so. i know that he often makes outrageous-sounding tongue-in-cheek posts, and that's how i saw his initial posts in this thread.

    socionically speaking, this seems like an Fi-centered conflict: the Ti type unwittingly transgressed and and is getting Fi'd for it, which he is not going to respond well to - hence the stark refusal to do what the Fi type insists he should.

    (this is not to denigrate dolphin's or Kim's perspectives - just sharing my own.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by glam View Post
    from another female's and outsider's perspective, i don't see xerx as misogynistic, including subtly or unconsciously so. i know that he often makes outrageous-sounding tongue-in-cheek posts, and that's how i saw his initial posts in this thread.

    socionically speaking, this seems like an Fi-centered conflict: the Ti type unwittingly transgressed and and is getting Fi'd for it, which he is not going to respond well to - hence the stark refusal to do what the Fi type insists he should.

    (this is not to denigrate dolphin's or Kim's perspectives - just sharing my own.)
    Thank you glam.
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    I admit, my soul kinda likes the gender conflict going on in this thread. =p

    I never saw spartacus but fuck yeah homoeroticsm. <3

    I suppose I should have empathy for straight guys being uncomfortable, but I'm not that big of a mary sue. In fact it's like 'boohoo str8 men, cry me a river!' I mean we have to put up with endless talk from straight men on what girl they find hot and want to degrade via sex too. I feel like what strrrng said about empathy being an illusion or whatever kinda true actually. There's only power, or lack of it. I think it's sorta natural, women/gay men want to see gladiators brutally having sex and killing each other in the throes of male/male passion and straight men want to see Idk kate upton being throat fucked (or whatever). Or some lesbian orgy with them as the only man.

    does this make me a bad person? where is strrrng anyway...

    (this makes Uncle Rob our savior btw. Since he's bisexual he is the only one that can heal the planet for the war between Straight and Gay will go on for millennium... woof is bi too but uncle rob is more fitting for the role.)


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    It's terribly cheesy, like a soap opera of the roman world...
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    Quote Originally Posted by glam View Post
    socionically speaking, this seems like an Fi-centered conflict: the Ti type unwittingly transgressed and and is getting Fi'd for it, which he is not going to respond well to - hence the stark refusal to do what the Fi type insists he should.

    (this is not to denigrate dolphin's or Kim's perspectives - just sharing my own.)
    ftr i wasn't offended by xerx either

    lol @ "getting Fi'd" i like that term

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    This thread needs female gladiators..

    Also men are ugly, disgusting and gross...

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    bumping this to reify my earlier point

    women who deserve respect:

    Barbara Mcclintock


    Lise Meitner



    Agatha Christie


    Mary Wollstonecraft



    women who don't deserve respect:


    (and similarly for men)
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    everyone deserves respect.

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    It was in the reign of George III that the aforesaid personages lived and quarrelled; good or bad, handsome or ugly, rich or poor, they are all equal now.

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    Man vs lesser man.

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    STOP RUINING MY THREAD!

    Take this:

    spartacus-spartacus-Mira-spartacus-spartacus-vengeance-29345950-791-791.jpg

    And this:

    2013-Spartacus-Wallpaper-.jpg

    And most importantly, this:

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