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    You are cast away on an island, it is a paradise and you landed there by accident. No one else is around and you'd like to get off the island. One day a ship arrives to your rescue with passengers aboard, although they've been attacked by pirates claiming to be lost travelers so they don't trust you. They ask for indentification to prove your identity, early on in despair you dropped an item at the bottom of a murky pond while you were trying to access a cave in the rain. This item can prove your identity without a doubt. It's incredibly hard to see under the water and the depth is extremely deep, your item is very small. An almost impossible feat.

    What do you do in order to get off the island?

    1) Take a deep breath, try to remain calm, swim to the bottom and try to retrieve the item without drowning and repeat as necessary
    2) Attempt to craft a fake item to prove your identity from the materials on the island and hope you aren't discovered when you get to port
    3) Get used to life on the island and wait for another ship to arrive to your rescue that will believe your story

    It's also important to note that talking your way out of this is completely useless, the people on the ship have already had their trust abused and won't listen to a thing you have to say.

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    I'll go with #1 and basically hope I get lucky and find the item. If that fails go with #2, craft a fake item asap and if that fails then I have to settle with #3 assuming there is enough time for all three.
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    I'll go with option 1.5 and craft some sort of tool for scooping along the bottom of the pond.

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    So many options..

    Ask them to let me log in on facebook.

    Ask them to call coast guard, or local rescue service. I'll stay until the next ship show up.

    Take their ship by force.

    Ask for scuba gear so I can retrieve item.

    Ask them to retrieve item with scuba gear.

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    I think I'd take option 0 and stay on the island as long as it was habitable.

    If it wasn't though I'd take option 1 and just try to improve my breathing times.

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    Probably #3. #1 could work, but I could get really sick from the murky water anyway even if I do find the item, so what would be the point? Depending on how far away I am from real medical help.... it wouldn't be a wise idea. It's stupid to jeopardize my own health just to get people to trust me... when staying on the island seems nowhere near as dangerous as trying to escape in this situation.

    #2 could work but just my luck people will figure it out then some sociopathic str8 male pirate man will slash my throat the instant he finds out I have a fake ID.

    #3 is the safest for survival really. Another ship without all this bullshit would eventually come in time , and if not well at least I still have my life. The other two I might get out quicker but then again it's also deadlier. I'd rather wait 2 years, survive, and wait for another ship. Then I'd get back on the internet and look up porn again after not seeing it for 2 and a half years and have the world's best orgasm. Best choice for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hkkmr View Post
    So many options..
    Alright well let's continue to expand on the thought experiment.

    Ask them to let me log in on facebook.
    They are afraid you will snatch their computers. Mainly because of the pirates they encountered.

    Ask them to call coast guard, or local rescue service. I'll stay until the next ship show up.
    They are very guarded about letting you use their resources due to the abuse of trust from pirates.

    Take their ship by force.
    This is always an option but you are outnumbered and can't head back to port without explaining yourself to the authorities or being on the run. This is assuming there are people on the ship that will be missed if they don't arrive at their port when expected. You can take it by force, but you may become stampeded and overpowered by the larger group and its extremely likely if you do accomplish taking it by force you will be permanently on the run from authorities. This is assuming you have the capability to operate the ship once you have seized it, and your actions won't lead to some massive problem like running too close to a rocky shore and having the hull penetrated and then being stranded again.

    Ask for scuba gear so I can retrieve item.
    Once again due to trust issues from having dealt with pirates they won't lend you scuba gear. They are afraid you will steal it and they will not have scuba gear in order to retrieve any lost items they may need.

    Ask them to retrieve item with scuba gear.
    They don't trust you enough to perform service for you, once again this is from having to deal with pirates that raided their ship to a traumatic point. Only a few survivors got out untouched and they are permanently changed by the experience. The pirates were extremely clever and tried almost every trick to penetrate the ship's defenses, and those that witnessed it were so traumatized they permanently have trust issues involved with allowing strangers to use their resources.

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    I'd probably alternate between option 1 and 3 and avoid number 2. I would attempt to retrieve the item or wait for another ship with a more trusting crew. The second option becomes worse the longer you wait also because you loose more contact with society and your existence off the island becomes less and less noticable to the ebbs and flows of non-island society. So you will raise major issues about who you are and why you lied once you are found out-- essentially they could suspect you are a spy, they may even attempt to use you out of fear, and that may cascade into a chain of events of major trust issues. Now if you manage to catch a ride early on and fool them and make it to port and you come back and your real identity can be verified, its likely no one will be upset by this, especially if you don't murder or abuse the crew on board and you weren't banished to the island for a reason. But given the framing of this thought experiment the crew doesn't really trust you because of pirates and so for the situation I would go for 1 and 3 as it would be extremely difficult to balance the line with number 2. If you cross it and abuse the crew on board they will likely be very harsh because of them being traumatized by pirates.

    You also have to be weary that they are actually pirates in disguise and will rob you once you board their ship, and you have no wear to run to. Especially with such a major trust breakdown, I'd definitely attempt to recover my item from the bottom of the waters or simply wait for a more trusting ship.

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    What about trying to appear small, helpless, and feminine? I think I should get a circumstance bonus to trust.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Man From Nantucket View Post
    Alright well let's continue to expand on the thought experiment.

    They are afraid you will snatch their computers. Mainly because of the pirates they encountered.

    They are very guarded about letting you use their resources due to the abuse of trust from pirates.

    This is always an option but you are outnumbered and can't head back to port without explaining yourself to the authorities or being on the run. This is assuming there are people on the ship that will be missed if they don't arrive at their port when expected. You can take it by force, but you may become stampeded and overpowered by the larger group and its extremely likely if you do accomplish taking it by force you will be permanently on the run from authorities. This is assuming you have the capability to operate the ship once you have seized it, and your actions won't lead to some massive problem like running too close to a rocky shore and having the hull penetrated and then being stranded again.


    Once again due to trust issues from having dealt with pirates they won't lend you scuba gear. They are afraid you will steal it and they will not have scuba gear in order to retrieve any lost items they may need.

    They don't trust you enough to perform service for you, once again this is from having to deal with pirates that raided their ship to a traumatic point. Only a few survivors got out untouched and they are permanently changed by the experience. The pirates were extremely clever and tried almost every trick to penetrate the ship's defenses, and those that witnessed it were so traumatized they permanently have trust issues involved with allowing strangers to use their resources.
    If they're this guarded, then it doesn't matter.

    1. They won't trust the real item
    2. They won't trust the fake item
    3. This seems to be the only option

    I will try #1 if I fail, then #2, if I fail #3

    Or easiest, next easiest, then #3 or take the ship by force, don't care how many there are, I will still try. Assuming they don't kill me and they take me back as a prisoner, than it works out for me regardless.

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    Just tell them about thyself. Usually if you tell people about life, who you are, what you´ve done with it, it humanizes you further; thats when you guilt trip the fuck out of them. :}

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    I don't do anything. It's apparently a paradise, so I wouldn't bother leaving.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hkkmr View Post
    If they're this guarded, then it doesn't matter.

    1. They won't trust the real item
    2. They won't trust the fake item
    3. This seems to be the only option

    I will try #1 if I fail, then #2, if I fail #3

    Or easiest, next easiest, then #3 or take the ship by force, don't care how many there are, I will still try. Assuming they don't kill me and they take me back as a prisoner, than it works out for me regardless.
    It's just a fictional scenario, the assumption is the first item will prove things without a doubt to anyone, and you have to have some item to prove your identity rather than using your words because they want to see some result versus take your word for something because that requires trust which they don't have because its been abused too far.

    Taking it by force is an option as well but this isn't really realistic because you are hugely outnumbered and don't have resources like firearms on you, although they may have them on the ship. The idea is you are stranded on the island and every ship you encounter is a large group of people. So every interaction is you versus a large "society" of people. It's about as realistic as believing a single person can take over the world as a loner by force without any "social ties". Let's say you do win against the ship, then you'll arrive at some much larger group of "society" once you make it mainland and leave the island. Your arrival back to that society will already be with a bad reputation, the people you killed originated from there, and you originated from the island. You would be starting with a negative reputation socially, but you would be off the island. By no means is it impossible. However as I see it both retrieving the item from under the murky waters and taking the ship by force are epic feats where odds are not in your favor. But the item will prove your reputation positively and taking the ship by force will tarnish your reputation.

    I think taking it by force only makes since when its easier to do that and live with the consequences than it is to retrieve the item. But let's assume both are extremely difficult, it may be even harder than you realize to take the ship by force because people on board may have weapons and security and you are vastly outnumbered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Director Abbie View Post
    What about trying to appear small, helpless, and feminine? I think I should get a circumstance bonus to trust.
    The point of the fictional scenario is that their trust is abused and your word is insignificant to them, they need some material result in terms of actions and items. The pirates they encountered used every single trick in the book to fool them and take advantage of them in every way. Including appearing small, helpless, and feminine. They've already seen that blow up in their face.

    Quote Originally Posted by Deestructor View Post
    Just tell them about thyself. Usually if you tell people about life, who you are, what you´ve done with it, it humanizes you further; thats when you guilt trip the fuck out of them. :}
    Same as above. The pirates they encountered used every single trick to buy their confidence with words. They told them about their life, who they are, and what they did with their item -- the people on the ship were moved by the humanity of the "pirates" and then pirates raided them of several resources, killed, and raped many of the crew. The ones that survived untouched are now forced to be changed by this experience and they will no longer take another person's confidence on words. Not because they are heartless but because they've already had their trust abused. It's not your fault, and its not their fault either, its the fault of the pirates that abused the innocence and trust of the ship in the first place. Also keep in mind you are a traveler on an island and have no pre-existing reputation with them, so they can't really just buy into your stories, for all intensive purposes your meeting with the ship is a blank slate.

    Quote Originally Posted by Absurd View Post
    I don't do anything. It's apparently a paradise, so I wouldn't bother leaving.
    Ok that would be similar to option 3. It is paradise the only exception is you are in isolation from other people, there is no "island society". But it is paradise, you could live on the island as a solo individual a comfortable life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Man From Nantucket View Post
    Ok that would be similar to option 3. It is paradise the only exception is you are in isolation from other people, there is no "island society". But it is paradise, you could live on the island as a solo individual a comfortable life.
    It is not 'similar' in any way, but thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Man From Nantucket View Post
    What do you do?
    Seduce all the crew and passengers, start an island colony, convert the ship into building materials, live in paradise forever.
    Moonlight will fall
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    Your heart will mend

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    Hmmm well maybe you wantto rethink your wording, ponds are not so deep, i'd go with that. Ponds are (arguably) by definition pools of water in which light can penetrate to the bottom. That does not seem so scary to me. I'd not like to remain alone and i'd not make a flase identity.

    If the Island is a paradise then i wonder if that is subjective. If i thought it was paradise maybe i would stay... and maybe like someone else mentioned convince others too stay too. Infact maybe i'd get the identification climb aboard and recruit family & friends from back home and so return.

    Of course i could use my fourth option and turn back into a mermaid and swim back to blighty.

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    1 > 3 > 2. Did you just see Cast Away with Tom Hanks?
    “Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Park View Post
    1 > 3 > 2. Did you just see Cast Away with Tom Hanks?
    Yes I have, I enjoyed that movie a lot the first time I saw it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Absurd View Post
    It is not 'similar' in any way, but thank you.
    Alright well I'm just trying to keep the discussion around a simple form of options 1,2, or 3 and see how people can expand around those ideas. I'm not trying to give you orders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Man From Nantucket View Post
    Alright well I'm just trying to keep the discussion around a simple form of options 1,2, or 3 and see how people can expand around those ideas. I'm not trying to give you orders.
    It's fine. Add that I can take people of that ship as slaves and put them to work on my fantasy island, I mean paradise island, where all your dreams comes true (for a price). Add that after work is done people can board a plane found in the middle of island to leave its premises for their homes on the continent (somebody damaged the ship).

    Shout "Ze plane! Ze plane! Is in the ocean!" and this is the option I'm going to choose. Easy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Absurd View Post
    It's fine. Add that I can take people of that ship as slaves and put them to work on my fantasy island, I mean paradise island, where all your dreams comes true (for a price). Add that after work is done people can board a plane found in the middle of island to leave its premises for their homes on the continent (somebody damaged the ship).

    Shout "Ze plane! Ze plane! Is in the ocean!" and this is the option I'm going to choose. Easy.
    I'm just offering you a coloring book and if you want to scribble outside the lines you can or you can learn to color inside the lines, it makes no difference to me what you do. I'll just keep offering you coloring books and if you want to scribble over them furiously like a child you can just to prove you don't have to stick to rules. That's perfectly fine, but I'l keep dispensing coloring books with easy forms to them. Easiest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Man From Nantucket View Post
    I'm just offering you a coloring book and if you want to scribble outside the lines you can or you can learn to color inside the lines, it makes no difference to me what you do. I'll just keep offering you coloring books and if you want to scribble over them furiously like a child you can just to prove you don't have to stick to rules. That's perfectly fine, but I'l keep dispensing coloring books with easy forms to them. Easiest.
    Your rules d o n o t i n t e r e s t m e i n t h e s l i g h t e s t. I would rather adhere to my own at the expense of unrealistic ones, like yours. Oh and better re-think who's the child - the person who owns colouring books or the person who doesn't?

    Although if you want to be successful in colouring book industry, offer a more varied palette of colouring books. Face the demand. So far I'm not paying a dime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Absurd View Post
    Your rules d o n o t i n t e r e s t m e i n t h e s l i g h t e s t. I would rather adhere to my own at the expense of unrealistic ones, like yours. Oh and better re-think who's the child - the person who owns colouring books or the person who doesn't?

    Although if you want to be successful in colouring book industry, offer a more varied palette of colouring books. Face the demand. So far I'm not paying a dime.

    We could do this all day, no one forced you to open this thread, so yes its the child that reads the colouring books and decides to open them that is the child. The one who makes them and prints them usually is not a child.

    I'm sure though you can rebuttal against that but its entirely unimportant, the entire topic is just a game or a fictional scenario. Also if you don't want to play this game, then just leave and do something else, your motives are obvious in the fact you go out of your way to create new options because you are "rebelling against my 'rules'".

    All games have rules, but I'm not about to flip shit over the fact that the instruction booklet in the monopoly game I've bought is a nazi propoganda pamphlet. That's just retarded. Just as its retarded for me to waste time "enforcing" rules. I obviously can't enforce whether anyone wants to follow the rules of the game or not. This whole discussion with you is retarded, as are most discussions with you.

    Hope you have boots of escaping lmao.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geminatronix View Post
    Hmmm well maybe you wantto rethink your wording, ponds are not so deep, i'd go with that. Ponds are (arguably) by definition pools of water in which light can penetrate to the bottom. That does not seem so scary to me. I'd not like to remain alone and i'd not make a flase identity.

    If the Island is a paradise then i wonder if that is subjective. If i thought it was paradise maybe i would stay... and maybe like someone else mentioned convince others too stay too. Infact maybe i'd get the identification climb aboard and recruit family & friends from back home and so return.

    Of course i could use my fourth option and turn back into a mermaid and swim back to blighty.
    Thanks for the suggestion, what I mean by pond is something that is not very large in size but extremely deep, like the sort of thing you would find at the mouth of a cave. As I'm not a specialist in classifications of bodies of water I used pond because when I think of a lake I think of something that spans a large area. Maybe there is a term for this, but I'm more interested in the idea I'm conveying than anything else. Regardless thanks for the suggestion, at least you get the idea (the size of a pond, but extremely deep).

    As for paradise, this is subjective I agree. The point I'm shooting for is a place that is paradise in solitude but is missing people to make it a completely satisfying place. I guess you could argue its not a complete paradise but once again I'm more interested in the idea I'm conveying than anything else. The fact you've pointed this out shows you get the idea.

    Four is a valid option I guess, assuming you are a mermaid, which wasn't really in the framework of the OP, but whatever I'll hold no grudges against shapeshifting mermaids because at this point it doesn't really matter.

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    Well, let me put it this way. I'm not the one crying over 'not following' rules you just have come up with there, nor feeding people colouring books in an attempt to reverse that trend(?) as if it is the panacea for everything, especially some kind of rules that encompass three choices. Three choices you have come up with and any deviation from them is called 'rebelling' in your language. And I am the child apparently. Hey, your toys in sandbox are okay with me...

    You would be better off asking people what are they going to do if:

    1) they're going to die tomorrow and a new drug called RULES is hitting the market two hours before they're going to die

    a) are they going to storm the pharmacies and kill any one who stands in their way in obtaining RULES to save their super lives?

    b) are they're going to hire mercenaries to secure every pharmacy there is and after swallowing RULES, sell the drug for triple the price to people?

    c) are they going to allow other people, people that can make a difference, to obtain RULES first and administer the drug between remaining population via merit?

    d) are they going to [insert your own story]?

    Oh by the way - you just called any one who opened this thread a child. Hope it says so in RULES that anyone who is going to opt for something else is a child. Put a black and white RULES disclaimer on your game.

    Call it RULES as well, if you didn't yet.
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    #2.

    and/or probably just sneak on to the ship. be sneaky.



    the options of living on the island would be okay, I guess. I'd probably get sick of the ocean fairly soon after being stranded.
    but just as with most things- you get used to it and eventually it becomes a part of life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Man From Nantucket View Post
    Thanks for the suggestion, what I mean by pond is something that is not very large in size but extremely deep, like the sort of thing you would find at the mouth of a cave. As I'm not a specialist in classifications of bodies of water I used pond because when I think of a lake I think of something that spans a large area. Maybe there is a term for this, but I'm more interested in the idea I'm conveying than anything else. Regardless thanks for the suggestion, at least you get the idea (the size of a pond, but extremely deep).

    As for paradise, this is subjective I agree. The point I'm shooting for is a place that is paradise in solitude but is missing people to make it a completely satisfying place. I guess you could argue its not a complete paradise but once again I'm more interested in the idea I'm conveying than anything else. The fact you've pointed this out shows you get the idea.

    Four is a valid option I guess, assuming you are a mermaid, which wasn't really in the framework of the OP, but whatever I'll hold no grudges against shapeshifting mermaids because at this point it doesn't really matter.

    Oh wow!

    I am so glad you get it. I am also a vixen. A shapeshifting fox, mermaid, humanoid (and some other top secret futuristic beings).

    Now this is a story all about how, my type got changed, turned upside down. Just wait for a minute and watch chatbox right there, & I'll tell how Gem became the moderator with blue hair.

    In typology central friended and praised, on the picture thread was where she spent most her days. Chilling out, selfies, relaxing all cool, And all typing some people and getting them schooled.

    When a couple of girls who were up to no good, Started annoying her & her friends in the forumhood, She got in one little flame war & got pissed off & said 'I'm moving in with that exboyfriend in the forum with the socionics toffs.

    So Gem pulls up to the forum for a year without being a hater, And yells to typocentral 'Yo creeps! Smell Ya later', Became a mod in her kingdom she was finally there, To sit on her throne as the mod with blue hair.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Absurd View Post
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    The language I'm using like child and rules are partly in response to how our conversation was directed. I picked on the fact that you may have felt your actions were an act of rebellion against rules so I used this terminology, when I personally never considered participants in this topic subject to rules or acting like children. I mean its ridiculous that now that what I've said to you applies to all others, responding to this topic doesn't make them children. The child analogy fits because it implies a child-like ignorance to forms, like the lines in a coloring book. The form that has taken shape with you is now this discussion. You seem to be keen on labeling me as one who cries over 'not following' rules. When in fact I feel more like the following:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SESI19h4wDo

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Man From Nantucket View Post
    The language I'm using like child and rules are partly in response to how our conversation was directed. I picked on the fact that you may have felt your actions were an act of rebellion against rules so I used this terminology, when I personally never considered participants in this topic subject to rules or acting like children. I mean its ridiculous that now that what I've said to you applies to all others, responding to this topic doesn't make them children. The child analogy fits because it implies a child-like ignorance to forms, like the lines in a coloring book. The form that has taken shape with you is now this discussion. You seem to be keen on labeling me as one who cries over 'not following' rules. When in fact I feel more like the following
    I didn't really feel anything, so your "fact" remains your "fact" - in other words your subjective interpretation of events between you and me in this thread. So your "fact" totally missed everything and keep your forms and shapes in your sandbox, I'm not going to kick them nor throw sand in your face, and analogies are comparisons, so nice try there (again).

    [...]your motives are obvious in the fact you go out of your way to create new options because you are "rebelling against my 'rules'"[...]
    Listen here, Dungeon Master, several people have chosen different paths from that imaginary scenario in your head, you flipped out like a monkey (not the first time) denied a banana after much acclaim, indeed. Vid you posted is fitting.

    And the fact you tried to mold my answer into your game tells everything. Oh, and I'll take your "keep out of mah threads suggestion" seriously, so you won't have to PM me like some member before...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Absurd View Post
    Listen here, Dungeon Master, several people have chosen different paths from that imaginary scenario in your head, you flipped out like a monkey (not the first time) denied a banana after much acclaim, indeed. Vid you posted is fitting.
    Lol I am actually rather calm right now, I am not flipped out in the least. I'm eating dried pieces of mango covered in sweet lemon, I don't need your banana nor anyone elses and BDSM dungeon mastery is not my thing. Basically if its just an imaginary scenario then my rules are imaginary as well, so I don't understand what there is to be offended about. All this time you are sending directed at me could be spent building whatever scenario you please in writting. Obviously strange fantasies about me as a dungeon master and flipping out over denied bananas are what you like to focus on -- that's not really my thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Man From Nantucket View Post
    Lol I am actually rather calm right now, I am not flipped out in the least. I'm eating dried pieces of mango covered in sweet lemon, I don't need your banana nor anyone elses and BDSM dungeon mastery is not my thing.
    The fuck you freak?

    Basically if its just an imaginary scenario then my rules are imaginary as well, so I don't understand what there is to be offended about.
    I'm not offended. You are. You 'just' flipped out the moment I disagreed with you. It's not the first time you flipped out, but it is understandable - I have the same effect on some people in real life (whenever I am near them) that start screaming and flap their arms.

    All this time you are sending directed at me could be spent building whatever scenario you please in writting.
    Try English next time.

    Obviously strange fantasies about me as a dungeon master and flipping out over denied bananas are what you like to focus on -- that's not really my thing.
    You need a really hard bitch slap that is going to return you to reality and I am going to deliver, you nonce. Any promises I have made are now officially broken. Let's start a war said Maggie one day.

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    Absurd, do you ever tire of gaslighting?

    And no, I never tire of being gay or sensitive or whatever insult you will inevitably retaliate me with.

    leave haveluciddreamz alone. He's good people, even if he is heterosexual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NobleFool View Post
    I wouldn't do any of the 3 options. If there's only 1 of you, that's a lot different than a group of pirates with weapons, so they would be less threatened by you. Just tell them to handcuff/tie your hands behind your back, and you can be kept captive in a cell or whatever on the boat, under watch, while you ride to your destination. You get to where you want to go, and they don't feel threatened. Done.
    This is what I was thinking, too.
    It's not like having an ID says anything much. It could be a fake ID for a fake identity. It's not like they could verify the 'proof'.

    Also, ID says nothing about one's personality, in particular one's personality under such extreme conditions.

    I'd also greatly distrust these people if they demand proof of identity from someone who survived a shipwreck and is stranded on an island. It's not like proof of identity is high on one's list when trying to survive whatever caused the shipwreck.

    However, i hesitated on posting an answer because I don't know if I would place myself under the control and whim of a group of people that I don't know and who place unrealistic demands. Yes, they are fearful. But damnit...so am I. If they can't acknowledge the unfairness of their many to my few, and be willing to negotiate, then I can't trust them not to toss my tied up body overboard at the first sign of trouble coming from elsewhere.

    Also, another option is that they can send a message to one of my loved one's as well as the appropriate authorities that I am at the location I am (or estimated location) when they arrive to safety. Making my stay on the island less contingent on the luck that a ship might happen to pass by. As any ships there now are actively looking for me...I'd hope. (While hoping it's not one of the pirates this group was concerned about!!)

    But then again...I wasn't sure if I would trust them not to harm my loved one instead of delivering a message.

    *sigh*
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    There are a lot of things that can happen in a situation like this and there are no "canned" answers, unless set arbitrarily.

    This thing started off unrealistic, and the answers don't mean much or say much. Nobody really wants to answer 1/2/3 given the situation and a grasp of reality.

    There is no moral dilemma either as even deception belies some level of truth, as the item does exist but is inaccessible/difficult to access.

    Realistically, the people on the ship would have to do a morally bad thing to leave the individuals stranded on the island. They can certainly do that, but I don't think they would.

    They could tie you up, imprison you due to their suspicions but people generally want to be good. It would be more reasonable if the pirates found you and gave you a set of options. In that scenario, realistically the pirates might just murder you regardless.

    Because the scenario provides unrealistic options and a unrealistic situation, people will naturally attempt to escape the confines of the question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by truck View Post
    Absurd, do you ever tire of gaslighting?
    I don't think you know how to use that term properly, that's a given, but to answer your question, no I don't seeing you can't even use it properly. Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime...

    And no, I never tire of being gay or sensitive or whatever insult you will inevitably retaliate me with.
    I'm sure calling you gay and sensitive you being gay and sensitive is very insulting to you. You're insulting my intelligence here.

    leave haveluciddreamz alone. He's good people, even if he is heterosexual.
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    lol its a pretty simple cut and dry topic, but if you want to break the form be my guest.

    Lol at hkkmr saying its "natural" to break the form, you are basically defining what is natural and not natural which is a little hypocritical. What you really mean to say is it's natural for you and people will either naturally relate to that or they won't. Either way I was trying to keep things on a guided track because of how it relates to the concept of identity and society. The three options are basically; prove yourself, use a fake identity to get what is needed in the moment, or wait for someone else to rescue you and have to prove nothing. I was interested in how people could play around with those three ideas. I'm not so interested in whether or not the ship has a facebook login or how well armed the ship is in order to take it by force. I'm just trying to get a feel for how people are naturally inclined to deal with those types of situations by a small thought experiment, its not so much about how resourceful and cunning you are at escaping an island prison. The island is supposed to be a metaphor for isolation, which is commonly used in many situations. Really I'm not trying to impose order for any other reason than to keep the topic focused on a certain pathway, but like I said above several times-- I can't actually do anything about it if you want to drift off topic. It's just a mediocre thought exercise or hypothetical situation, its especially nothing to get worked up about.
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    What if you are such an incredible human being that you can build a completely functional accomodation and farming and sewage systems in less than a few days but your brilliant radiance shines out into the night attracting all manner of rescue vehicles? Would you actually want to leave the island?

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