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Thread: and now it's time for name that function!!!

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    Default and now it's time for... name that function!!!

    "That means they look at facts, they always have something up their sleeve, they will present the facts in a way that suits their purpose and they never admit that they are wrong. They all have rather impressive ways of finding a roundabout way to always end up one ahead."

    If it sounds like it's a combination of functions, please state what those functions are.
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    I dunno, I think ESTps and ENTps do that the most.
    "To become is just like falling asleep. You never know exactly when it happens, the transition, the magic, and you think, if you could only recall that exact moment of crossing the line then you would understand everything; you would see it all"

    "Angels dancing on the head of a pin dissolve into nothingness at the bedside of a dying child."

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    agreed.
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    You do that more than anyone else on the forum btw.
    "To become is just like falling asleep. You never know exactly when it happens, the transition, the magic, and you think, if you could only recall that exact moment of crossing the line then you would understand everything; you would see it all"

    "Angels dancing on the head of a pin dissolve into nothingness at the bedside of a dying child."

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    I have no trouble admitting when I'm wrong. It's about what's right, not who's right.
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    I personally don't see the above quote as a reasonable description of any of the functions, btw.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MysticSonic
    You do that more than anyone else on the forum btw.
    funny how people's perspectives differ... the person who said that was trying to make a point about how I DON'T do that.
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    Not exactly what is being described, but rather, the underhanded manipulation of carefully selected facts, is what I believe you do.
    "To become is just like falling asleep. You never know exactly when it happens, the transition, the magic, and you think, if you could only recall that exact moment of crossing the line then you would understand everything; you would see it all"

    "Angels dancing on the head of a pin dissolve into nothingness at the bedside of a dying child."

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    this is not Te. a Te type would present the facts in an unbiased manner.

    this is also not Ti. a Ti type doesn't care as much about facts as much as having things that seem right or make sense, and they would rather focus their arguments on what they perceive to be true rather than a lot of facts.


    its probably an extroverted perceiving function.

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    Quote Originally Posted by niffweed17
    this is not Te. a Te type would present the facts in an unbiased manner.

    this is also not Ti. a Ti type doesn't care as much about facts as much as having things that seem right or make sense, and they would rather focus their arguments on what they perceive to be true rather than a lot of facts.


    its probably an extroverted perceiving function.
    No, not necessarily. That's pretty much a bullshit claim.

    This is also bullshit. Ti types care as much about facts as anyone, it's just that they don't always need them to deduce the next logical step in a situation.

    I disagree yet again. I don't think it's functionaly related, but I do think it's characteristic of all ExTx types.
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    Under cerulean skies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joy
    I personally don't see the above quote as a reasonable description of any of the functions, btw.
    Can I clarify since I wrote this?
    It was meant to be a description of ENTj debate style and not a description of Te.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gilligan87
    Quote Originally Posted by niffweed17
    this is not Te. a Te type would present the facts in an unbiased manner.

    this is also not Ti. a Ti type doesn't care as much about facts as much as having things that seem right or make sense, and they would rather focus their arguments on what they perceive to be true rather than a lot of facts.


    its probably an extroverted perceiving function.
    No, not necessarily. That's pretty much a bullshit claim.

    This is also bullshit. Ti types care as much about facts as anyone, it's just that they don't always need them to deduce the next logical step in a situation.

    I disagree yet again. I don't think it's functionaly related, but I do think it's characteristic of all ExTx types.

    obviously we have very different interpretations of Ti.

    i won't ask you to compare in this thread, but it might be useful if you gave your own conception of Ti in a different thread.

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    I'm perfectly comfortable doing it here.

    The closest I can come to accurately distinguish the two is this:

    Te: content
    Ti: structure

    Neither can exist without the other. Therefore, a type that uses Ti is just as likely to access facts (Te) to contribute to it's system. The distinction in preference comes from what the emphasis is placed on in the system: if it's a Ti type, emphasis is placed on the logical consistency of the argument; if it's a Te type, emphasis is placed on the factuality of it's content.

    Ti in its pure form is probably not much concerned with facts. However, this doesn't matter for 2 reasons: (1) it's not objectively verifiable, as no such case exists in reality, and (2) it's pointless to attempt to conceptualize it if it has no application in reality.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    yea, i can see where you're coming from with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kim
    Quote Originally Posted by Joy
    I personally don't see the above quote as a reasonable description of any of the functions, btw.
    Can I clarify since I wrote this?
    It was meant to be a description of ENTj debate style and not a description of Te.
    Point taken.

    My original point remains, regardless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kim
    Quote Originally Posted by Joy
    I personally don't see the above quote as a reasonable description of any of the functions, btw.
    Can I clarify since I wrote this?
    It was meant to be a description of ENTj debate style and not a description of Te.
    I don't agree with this. My problem is the "never admit they are wrong". This sounds more like to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Expat
    Quote Originally Posted by Kim
    Quote Originally Posted by Joy
    I personally don't see the above quote as a reasonable description of any of the functions, btw.
    Can I clarify since I wrote this?
    It was meant to be a description of ENTj debate style and not a description of Te.
    I don't agree with this. My problem is the "never admit they are wrong". This sounds more like to me.
    I want a stamp that just says NOT TYPE RELATED in big, red letters.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
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    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
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    Under cerulean skies...

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    Personally, I thought it was more of an annoying ExTJ quality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joy
    "That means they look at facts, they always have something
    up their sleeve, they will present the facts in a way that suits their
    purpose and they never admit that they are wrong. They all have rather
    impressive ways of finding a roundabout way to always end up one
    ahead."
    Well to me it sounds more like NeTi or SeTi. If you talk about a purely
    intellectual debate I would go for NeTi. In my experience it is close to
    impossible to make an ENTp admit to losing a debate. If their initial
    argument doesn't hold water they will swap back and forth between
    viewpoints very quickly and continuously introduce new material so fast
    that no one can follow the discussion (especially their opponent is left jaw
    open) and thus they create an impression on winning the debate even if
    the end result is nothing but chaos in everyone's minds. NeTi lives for
    debates. It is their favourite world.


    SeTi is not as intellectually agile but they can deliver well timed punchlines
    that KO most opponents. The part that says "they have something up their
    sleeve" sounds more like SeTi than NeTi. NeTi is more likely to generate
    new stuff as they go. NeTi are master improvisers. SeTi is not as good in
    improvising. However, they are very accurate observers who see people's
    weaknesses. SeTi is likely to hide their best cards "in their sleeve" until it
    is time to go for the "kill".

    About Te types...I see how TeNi and TeSi may have problems admitting
    they are wrong because they pretty much always believe they are right.
    When they open their mouth only "right" things come out (or thus they
    like to believe). However, TeNi and TeSi are not someone who "hide
    things in their sleeves". They are likely to put everything they have on the
    table right away and believe they are right. Then they give their opponent
    a chance to kill their argument. They are likely to push the opponent hard
    before they admit they are wrong. Admitting to be wrong is pretty much
    like failing themselves. So much they trust their argument. However TeNi
    and TeSi are more interested in getting a productive outcome from a
    discussion than to "end up one ahead" or just "win a debate". If they are
    actually wrong they are likely to admit it and have lot of respect for the
    person who managed to "kill" their argument.

    One thing to keep in mind is TeNi and TeSi don't like to debate against
    opponents like NeTi or SeTi who use "dirty tactics". They like to keep
    debates short and clean. In case of TeSi they like their debates VERY
    short. Preferably no debate at all. TeNi is probably more open to debates.
    Anyways, if their opponent can't come up with claims they respect they
    are likely to just quit the debate instead of going on trying to convince
    them or publicly crush them.

    Now this is how I see it at the moment. How this applies to people here?
    I can't tell. I haven't interacted with people enough to say for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gilligan87
    I want a stamp that just says NOT TYPE RELATED in big, red letters.
    Here you go, Gilly:


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    The background is transparent, so you can just place it over an image like so:


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    (Note: I don't really have an opinion about this topic.)
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    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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