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    Default Philosophers by Quadra

    @Ath might like this and/or have something to contribute.
    and i'm sure @Ashton could make a list even though he probably might not feel like it.


    alpha
    immanuel kant
    epicurus
    Karl Marx

    beta
    friedrich nietzsche
    ayn rand

    gamma
    hannah arendt
    Diogenes of Sinope

    delta
    marcus aurelius
    Pyotr Kropotkin
    spinoza
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    philosophy /= opinion

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    Can Alpha take Epicurus too? He seemed chill.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AbsurdEnough View Post
    How do you define philosopher?

    Aren't we all philosophers in our own unique ways? Our individual expressions of our philosophies & views?

    To be a philosopher you need to be here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categoryhilosophers (hey, look, it's a smiley in a url!) and I've screenshotted it so NO EDITING!
    Last edited by ClownsandEntropy; 06-24-2013 at 04:04 PM. Reason: There was a smiley. In a url.
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    i'm just going to add suggestions to the OP. (unless i strongly disagree, cuz i made the thread so there)

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    Diogenes of Sinope – Gamma?
    Pyotr Kropotkin – Delta
    Karl Marx - Alpha?

    also: *Immanuel
    „Man can do what he wants but he cannot want what he wants.“
    – Arthur Schopenhauer

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    Delta: Spinoza, Hugo Grotius(maybe gamma)

    Ayn Rand is as much a philosopher as socionics is a science
    The only reason to be against medicaire is that Rand would have died earlier without it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daft21 View Post
    Delta: Spinoza, Hugo Grotius(maybe gamma)

    Ayn Rand is as much a philosopher as socionics is a science
    The only reason to be against medicaire is that Rand would have died earlier without it.
    I think Spinoza is probably alpha.

    Foucault - Beta
    Descartes - Alpha
    Parmenides - Alpha
    Democritus - Alpha
    Plato - Beta
    Zeno of Elea - Alpha
    Schrodinger - Alpha
    Popper - Gamma
    Aristotle - Gamma
    Archimedes - Alpha
    Confucius - Gamma
    Zhuang-Zi - Alpha or Delta
    MoZi - Beta
    Zeno of Citium - Delta
    Han Fei - Beta
    Hegel - Beta
    Zizek - Beta
    Schopenhauer - Gamma
    Kierkegaard - Beta
    Wittgenstein - Alpha
    Thomas Paine - Alpha
    Adam Smith - Alpha or Gamma
    Hume - Alpha or Gamma
    A J Ayer - Beta or Alpha
    G E Moore - Alpha
    John Stuart Mill - Delta
    John Dewey - Delta
    Hilary Putnam - Delta
    Dennett - Alpha
    Searle - Delta

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    Quote Originally Posted by hkkmr View Post
    I think Spinoza is probably alpha.


    Searle - Delta
    He was so far ahead with his philosophy that it was absolutly inapplicable and he was the epitome of a humanitarian what makes me think he's Delta NF.

    On which alpha type did you think NT or SF?


    some others

    Rousseau->IEI or EIE
    Kant ->LII maybe even LSI?For sure Ti-Base

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daft21 View Post
    He was so far ahead with his philosophy that it was absolutly inapplicable and he was the epitome of a humanitarian what makes me think he's Delta NF.

    On which alpha type did you think NT or SF?
    His entire philosophy is based in power(in the more naturalistic sense).

    I wouldn't call him humanitarian as he isn't really concerned with humanity as much as nature and how humanity can grasp it.

    Ethics is essentially a book which is a scathing criticism of the moral and ethics of his time, he did not commit many bad things in life but it was never a major concern of his.

    His personal ethical/moral philosophy was very succinct and simple and non-idealistic.

    Quote Originally Posted by On the Improvement of the Understanding
    Thus it is apparent to everyone that I wish to direct all science to one end and aim, so that we may attain to the supreme human perfection which we have named; and, therefore, whatsoever in the sciences does not serve to promote our object will have to be rejected as useless. To sum up the matter in a word, all our actions and thoughts must be directed to this one end. Yet, as it is necessary that while we are endeavoring to attain our purpose, and bring the understanding into the right path, we should carry on our life, we are compelled first of all to lay down certain rules of life as provisionally good, to wit the following:---

    1. To speak in a manner intelligible to the multitude, and to comply with every general custom that does not hinder the attainment of our purpose. For we can gain from the multitude no small advantages, provided that we strive to accommodate ourselves to its understanding as far as possible: moreover, we shall in this way gain a friendly audience for the reception of the truth.
    2. To indulge ourselves with pleasures only in so far as they are necessary for preserving health.
    3. Lastly, to endeavor to obtain only sufficient money or other commodities to enable us to preserve our life and health, and to follow such general customs as are consistent with our purpose.
    I think he's LII.

    This works starts also this way...

    Quote Originally Posted by Spinoza
    After experience had taught me that all the usual surroundings of social life are vain and futile; seeing that none of the objects of my fears contained in themselves anything either good or bad, except in so far as the mind is affected by them....
    It's a fairly scathing critique on humanitarian ideals as he sees most of social life as vain and futile.

    Also stuff like this...

    Quote Originally Posted by Spinoza
    I do not stop to consider the rest of what is referred to thought, such as love, joy, &c. They are nothing to our present purpose, and cannot even be conceived unless the understanding be perceived previously. When perception is removed, all these go with it.

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    Buddha - Delta
    Ghandi - Beta
    Plato - Beta
    Confucious - Serious Quadras, Lean Gamma
    Lao Tzu - Merry Quadras, Lean Beta NF
    Jesus - EIE
    I would say that ethically you are still supposed to act as if you have unilateral responsibility; but simultaneously you have to be able to see the other as a fully autonomous, free, aware person.

    Medicalizing social problems has the additional benefit of rendering society not responsible for those social ills. If it’s a disease, it’s nobody’s fault. Yay empiricism.

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    oh oh oh that one guy whose type I fucked up on royally, Descartes? He's alpha. God that was a derp on my part lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by hkkmr View Post
    His entire philosophy is based in power(in the more naturalistic sense).

    I wouldn't call him humanitarian as he isn't really concerned with humanity as much as nature and how humanity can grasp it.

    Ethics is essentially a book which is a scathing criticism of the moral and ethics of his time, he did not commit many bad things in life but it was never a major concern of his.


    His personal ethical/moral philosophy was very succinct and simple and non-idealistic.



    I think he's LII.

    This works starts also this way...



    It's a fairly scathing critique on humanitarian ideals as he sees most of social life as vain and futile.

    Also stuff like this...
    He could really be LII

    Spinoza was primary a naturalist but when you compare his philosophy with Hobbes or Puffendorf the human factor plays a bigger role (what doesn't make him an ethical) but what is more remarkebale in comparison to Hobbes or Puffendorfis that his philosophy was way less influenced by the Thirty-Years War. What is probably a sign for intuition over sensing.


    @anyone what is rawls type?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daft21 View Post
    He could really be LII

    Spinoza was primary a naturalist but when you compare his philosophy with Hobbes or Puffendorf the human factor plays a bigger role (what doesn't make him an ethical) but what is more remarkebale in comparison to Hobbes or Puffendorfis that his philosophy was way less influenced by the Thirty-Years War. What is probably a sign for intuition over sensing.


    @anyone what is rawls type?
    I think of Rawls as a LII as well.

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    Hitler - Beta Quadra.

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    montaigne - delta
    diogene - alpha or delta
    "The final delusion is the belief that one has lost all delusion."

    -- Maurice Chapelain

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    Quote Originally Posted by noid View Post
    montaigne - delta
    diogene - alpha or delta
    I always thought he is SLI because of the story with Alexander the Great(could also be SEI though but i think he's more delta than alpha)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Absurd View Post
    Hitler - Beta Quadra.
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    Epictetus - Delta

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    Quote Originally Posted by William View Post
    How do you define philosopher?

    Aren't we all philosophers in our own unique ways? Our individual expressions of our philosophies & views?

    That's why "philosophy majors" crack me up. They major in "thinking"?
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    Some of you need to stop posting in this topic. It's embarrassing me.

    I think Heidegger is likely ILI. He and Arendt couldn't seem to stay away from one another despite the fact that he was a Nazi and she was a Jew.


    I like how Ashton typed (most) of the worst philosophers INTj. haha
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    Quote Originally Posted by mfckr View Post
    Haha. Didn't you say you liked you some Kant?
    Yes. I also like Philosophical Investigations. Wittgenstein got smart later in life. I don't know why people are so fixated on the Tractatus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mfckr View Post
    Considering that willful human action arises from the ideas one holds, it's rather practical to think about whether those ideas make sense and why.
    True, but everyone should be doing that anyway...

    Well, I guess a philosophy major is really a literature major..
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    Does Marcus Aurelius count as a philosopher? Wikipedia says yes. :3 Where does he go?

    edit- I see @lungs says delta!

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    Quote Originally Posted by WorkaholicsAnon View Post
    True, but everyone should be doing that anyway...

    Well, I guess a philosophy major is really a literature major..
    Not really....
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    Quote Originally Posted by WorkaholicsAnon View Post
    True, but everyone should be doing that anyway...

    Well, I guess a philosophy major is really a literature major..
    In the sense that you have to read a lot of things? Because that's a prerequisite for most every college major.
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    Absurd Absurdicus - Delta.

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    People who think their own thinking equals philosophy should try to read a few of the greats in the original language. I'm sick of people using "philosophy" as a synonym for vision, thought, strategy and other mental constructs.

    Granted, philosophy itself has issues defining itself, and it might be a matter of scale/depth, but john doe's "philosophising about soccer" is an entirely different beast than let's take the forementioned Logischer Utersuchungen or Also sprach Zarathustra (or any of the other books from the "canon" of philosophy).

    Also, equating it to literature is akin to equating literature to emails (yeah, both contain words) or a van gogh to painting by numbers (both use paint).

    The interwebs have made people stupid

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reficulris View Post
    People who think their own thinking equals philosophy should try to read a few of the greats in the original language.
    I am by no means a philosopher and I can read stuff in five languages. Nice try though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Absurd View Post
    I am by no means a philosopher and I can read stuff in five languages. Nice try though.
    I did not suggest that being able to read multiple languages made you a philosopher, I stated my believe that people speak too easily about philosophy without actually having enough experience to do so. Hence the reading philosophy. The original languages part was snobish of me, since I've not been able to read the french ones in the native language, instead resorting to english translations.

    It's pretty cool however to understand 5 languages, props!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mfckr View Post
    It strikes me as relatively inconsequential how a few laymen might misuse the term 'philosophy' in these diminutive senses.

    So long as there's enough intelligent people in the world whom understand what the subject actually entails, I'm pretty sure this will continue to be a non-issue.
    Sure, it's not really an issue for humankind, it IS somewhat of a personal issue for me though

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    Where is Rorty?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reficulris View Post
    I did not suggest that being able to read multiple languages made you a philosopher
    Neither did I and my second post in this thread says all.

    I stated my believe that people speak too easily about philosophy without actually having enough experience to do so.
    Well, every one can talk about philosophy actually. It's not hard. That they know what they're talking about is another thing...

    The original languages part was snobish of me, since I've not been able to read the french ones in the native language, instead resorting to english translations.
    Spoken French makes my tongue bleed. Anyway, you could have it easier living in Belgium, it's closer to France and they speak funneh Dutch there.

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    True that, to the above

    Quote Originally Posted by Absurd View Post
    Spoken French makes my tongue bleed. Anyway, you could have it easier living in Belgium, it's closer to France and they speak funneh Dutch there.
    Yeah, native dutch sucks, there is hardly any notable dutch philosopher (spinoza, but he wrote in latin).
    Belgium is not a country though, its a genocide waiting to happen. They do speak dutch excellently though, they beat us at every annual language match. Also, their french is just as funny as their dutch, frankly, it should be split into provinces, one dutch, one french.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FoxOnStilts View Post
    Does Marcus Aurelius count as a philosopher? Wikipedia says yes. :3 Where does he go?

    edit- I see @lungs says delta!
    Yes. Delta makes sense.

    I really liked Marcus Aurelius when I was a kid. He let me imagine that "the man" could be a decent human.
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    Most delicious stuff is in Delta, Scapegrace...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Galen View Post
    In the sense that you have to read a lot of things? Because that's a prerequisite for most every college major.
    Well what i mean to say is, in my opinion, the value of a major in philosophy is really the same as the value of a major in literature, because all you are really doing is reading ideas written by other people, and that's all it really is. It's just reading other people's thoughts written down on paper.

    This is in contrast to, for example, a history major, where even though you still have to read a lot, its actually information/.records about events of the past (even if written from a particular point of view).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reficulris View Post
    People who think their own thinking equals philosophy should try to read a few of the greats in the original language. I'm sick of people using "philosophy" as a synonym for vision, thought, strategy and other mental constructs.

    Granted, philosophy itself has issues defining itself, and it might be a matter of scale/depth, but john doe's "philosophising about soccer" is an entirely different beast than let's take the forementioned Logischer Utersuchungen or Also sprach Zarathustra (or any of the other books from the "canon" of philosophy).

    Also, equating it to literature is akin to equating literature to emails (yeah, both contain words) or a van gogh to painting by numbers (both use paint).

    The interwebs have made people stupid

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    point taken...

    i mean of course i oversimplified the analogy but my point was that the practical utility of a college major in philosophy is not much different from a college major in literature. I personally dont see the appeal of dwelling on other peoples' thoughts/writings, but sure, I concede that some thinkers' ideas have shaped the world into what it is today...
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