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    Does anyone else think this? I'm sorry but money is pretty much all you have in this world other than your body. Without money there is no freedom, there is nothing. Life sucks without money. It's hard living a life that depends only on luck and beauty, which is based on luck anyway. Money is everything

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    Quote Originally Posted by babybow View Post
    I'm sorry but money is pretty much all you have in this world other than your body.
    Well, there are immaterial values like knowledge, wisdom, friendship, love, ect. But maybe you're only referring to material values here.

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    Without money there is no freedom
    That's true.
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    The pattern I've seen is people becoming enslaved to money, and losing their freedom. Rather than money being the end, I'd say it's a means toward freedom, which is my "everything". My mind is most important to me, and my body only to the extent that its demands dull my mind.

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    I'd say more like, having next to zero money is everything, because you starve and can't do anything. But past making a decent living it becomes progressively nothing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by babybow View Post
    Does anyone else think this? I'm sorry but money is pretty much all you have in this world other than your body. Without money there is no freedom, there is nothing. Life sucks without money. It's hard living a life that depends only on luck and beauty, which is based on luck anyway. Money is everything
    Having a certain amount of money means a lot

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    Some people are so poor all they have is money.
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    What would world look like if there was no money?

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    no it isn't.

    to some people, maybe, but to regular, sane, and normal people it isn't; because normal people are not materialistic and greedy and to greedy and materialist gold-diggers, vain people, money is everything.

    I'm a normal human being; to me and my family money is a means to live a comfortable life, take care of the people you love and to take care of yourself.

    it doesn't buy love, it may buy a partner, but there's no guarantee that what you're looking for will be in that person.
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    Money is really important, of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JWC3 View Post
    Some people are so poor all they have is money.
    How do I get to be this poor???

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    talking about how unimportant it is to have money is either a condolence of people who need more or a self-indulgent stroking of people who don't. either way its stupid. money is obviously important.

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    Studies show happiness increases with salary up til 50k - 70k a year... beyond that there is not much increase in happiness.

    Right now my dad is making between 250 - 300k a year ... he is pretty miserable. All he thinks about is how he's losing his money. It's like he has no emotions. They have a huge empty house... it's so bland and lonely.. their marriage is barren. I can see how it's a direct result of the money they have.
    Why would you want a 10 bedroom house out in the country if you're living alone inside it? Then there are maybe 5 or 6 other zombies like you in 10 miles... none of them real people.
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    some money is important, money for energy bills, rent (or mortgage), food... the basics... beyond that it's not so important unless you are materialistic. I don't care much for it... it's just a concept for trade, to keep people in the machine... people used to trade in goods...exchange, the Seychelles used to use sea shells for currency. . Value is only in the 'demand' of something, these things wax and wane, some become altogether obsolete others stand the test of time (at least in one format or other).

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    Imo, I think the game of life for most people is often a balancing act on whether they want more privilege (money) with more obligation (work) or less privilege with less obligation.
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    To all you who don't see money as important, please pass some of your excess this way, paypal account to be added

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    Quote Originally Posted by AbsurdEnough View Post
    You can always make more money, but you can never get more time. A dying person at their bedside never wishes they spent more time at the office.

    Relationships matter. Through people we leave a legacy. Through people we are remembered.

    Money is a means to an end. When you're poor, you think about money all the time. When you're wealthy, you think about money very little. The goal should be to have enough money so that you don't have to think about it constantly. It's a great life when you can afford to make decisions and base your thinking on principle, and not obligation.
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    Money really is great, isn't it?

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    Money isn't everything, but it's damn useful. Being broke sucks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raver View Post
    Imo, I think the game of life for most people is often a balancing act on whether they want more privilege (money) with more obligation (work) or less privilege with less obligation.
    Eh, some expensive things are just nice for their own value, not just for their prestige. A vacation in a wonderfully placed hotel in a small village, a house in a nice landscape...typically kind of expensive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by babybow View Post
    Does anyone else think this? I'm sorry but money is pretty much all you have in this world other than your body. Without money there is no freedom, there is nothing. Life sucks without money. It's hard living a life that depends only on luck and beauty, which is based on luck anyway. Money is everything
    Material assets mean a lot. However it might manifest in other forms than currency. I'd rather have a nice house set up than all the money needed to do that.

    Most things in life rely on one another. Without money you can't achieve much easily. But without, say, respect you can't get any money. Even the old lady you're robbing has to respect your violent authority over her wallet.
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    I don't see money as everything... yet I must admit, you do feel a lot more secure when it's around.
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    i guess i don't have a problem with the philosophy that money is overrated so much as i do with the usual sorts of people who spout that cliche. and it viscerally strikes me as a thoughtless slap in the face toward poor people even though i know it's not meant that way. like patting a homeless person on the shoulder and walking away feeling self satisfied lol.

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    Money is just something, not everything...

    It's also a predicate for many social interactions and exchanges

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    I think it'd be a fun experiment to be dropped off in some city with nothing but the clothes on my back and see how long it takes to create something for myself. I would find resources without having to revert to crime or violence, and pretty quickly I think. But, I have some experience being homeless, and there are so many free services available.

    I have a much greater fear of losing my wits than losing all my worldly possessions/money. I can create more money, but that ability and my life depends on my resourcefulness and ability to think. Money is a nice resource for sure, and makes life easier, but it's not life, and it's certainly not everything.

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    Well, money is a part of everything...but it's definitely not everything. ..

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    Quote Originally Posted by babybow View Post
    Does anyone else think this? I'm sorry but money is pretty much all you have in this world other than your body. Without money there is no freedom, there is nothing. Life sucks without money. It's hard living a life that depends only on luck and beauty, which is based on luck anyway. Money is everything
    so you're after money

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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    Eh, some expensive things are just nice for their own value, not just for their prestige. A vacation in a wonderfully placed hotel in a small village, a house in a nice landscape...typically kind of expensive.
    I agree. I was talking more about that the more prestigious careers (doctor, lawyer, investment banker) give you a higher salary in exchange for longer working hours. So you get more privilege in exchange for higher obligation, which is why I think most people should strike the balance between the two that works for them. Of course, there comes a point when you're so rich that you no longer have any obligation.
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    Money is a metric, nothing more. I think you mean wealth.
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    Try living without money for a while, and you'll be surprised.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Agarina View Post
    Try living without money for a while, and you'll be surprised.
    if you're not responsible for anybody elses well being and you don't mind leeching off people and you know that if the going really gets tough you can call your parents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lungs View Post
    if you're not responsible for anybody elses well being and you don't mind leeching off people and you know that if the going really gets tough you can call your parents.
    Yeah I can imagine it'd be different for someone who has kids or other people to look after, but I disagree about the having parents as a backup-thing. Having my parents kick me out without anything but the clothes that I was wearing was, in a way, one of the best things that ever happened to me. I learned to take advantage of opportunities, to trust that generally speaking people are very kind and helpful and that things really do have a way of figuring themselves out. I learned to adapt and not be so afraid of all what might happen to me. In the end what you really need the most is food and a relatively safe, preferably dry place to sleep. And you don't really need money to find those, at least not in Europe. To get a first-hand experience of that was supremely liberating to me.

    EDT:// Living without money doesn't have to mean leeching off others, either. Dumpster-diving, fishing, growing food and picking berries/mushrooms are good options. You can also collect bottles or do street performances and get a little money from those, too. Sleeping in a tent or on rooftops/parks/abandoned houses is free and doesn't harm anyone. It's also relatively easy to find (a) job(s) and a home if you lower your standards.
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    it's great that you guys found being broke to be a liberating and wonderful experience but a lot of people don't.

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    lol, william at the welfare office handing out self help books and lollipops.

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    i do get what you guys are saying about it being liberating to see how little you really need and i don't mean to be a dismissive jerk about your experiences. i just think that well meaning anti materialism can be taken too far. and my experience with first world poverty was mostly as a kid so i have a different vantage point.

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    I find that what's on the way of people's happiness is usually not much else but themselves. They refuse to be happy by refusing to let go of things they really don't need but have developed an addiction for. It could be money or a person or a hobby or an object or anything really, the result is the same. People believe it's impossible to feel fully content with life without their object of desire, while this is not true at all. This attitude is actually a big source for suffering. The thing is, we don't get to choose or control our outer environment very much or very effectively, but we can choose how to react to it.

    By Finnish standards I'm the poorest of the poor (I life off of the 170e student allowance that I get for 9/12 months of the year), and have no home, but there are millions of people in the world by whose standards I'd be dirty rich. It's all a matter of perspective.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lungs View Post
    i do get what you guys are saying about it being liberating to see how little you really need and i don't mean to be a dismissive jerk about your experiences. i just think that well meaning anti materialism can be taken too far. and my experience with first world poverty was mostly as a kid so i have a different vantage point.
    Yeah, I'm not saying money can't be useful or that life without it couldn't be stressful (especially in the long run or with kids or younameit). But it surely isn't "everything", like the OP suggests, unless you let it become that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by babybow View Post
    Does anyone else think this? I'm sorry but money is pretty much all you have in this world other than your body. Without money there is no freedom, there is nothing. Life sucks without money. It's hard living a life that depends only on luck and beauty, which is based on luck anyway. Money is everything
    You don't own your body and when you don't have money, you don't have money and not the other way around. You treat money as if it was air you breathe and food you eat. Problem is money doesn't hang from a tree nor swirls around you.

    Looks like you pay to exist and exist to pay.

    Anyhow, money is fine when I have it, I can spend it. So much for its usefulness knowing it doesn't perform any function at all.

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    But it surely isn't "everything", like the OP suggests, unless you let it become that.
    Yeah, that's easy and OP is the example.

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    Money is 3 things primarily: Security, Power, and a Way to deal with people.

    So without money you are insecure, powerless and you have no real good way to deal with people besides invoking their empathy. I wouldn't call it *everything* but it is important.

    I still hate it though. Don't get me wrong. I strive for an ideal world like on Star Trek where poverty and war is stamped out. Trade and some conflict still exists, but money doesn't exist anymore. Socialist utopia.

    The only downside of having lots of money is people feeling less and less sorry for you because they obviously know your advantages. It's natural. And a sacrifice you give up by having lots of cash. There's no such thing as having your cake and eating it too. Money is an exchange. You can't say "I can be both a good person and a rich person" like Oprah does and get away with it (at least not as much as a Starving Orphan(tm), because we see that the emperor isn't wearing any clothes.

    This universe for better or worse doesn't know how to deal with anything other than a trade-off/sacrifice. The ultimate balancing of the scales. Once everybody learns that their life will be more complete.

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