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    Default The artist who killed a cat and masturbated on it

    Many of you remember me mentioning this but here goes again.

    In 1988 a Finnish artist made a video called Sex and Death where there was a 6 seconds long scene in which he decapitated a cat with an axe and ejaculated on it. Prior to that scene there was half hours or an hour (depending on the version) of images of violence towards nature and human beings. I have now translated a summary where Teemu explains the function of the cat killing scene.



    The artistic function of the cat killing scene

    As I was making the piece I realized that among the violence cavalcade I needed violence which had no other obvious purpose or explanation. Violence which would be just violence as it is, without anything immediately emerging, satisfying explanation.

    The function of the cat killing scene was:

    1.

    I wanted to present violence as an unsolvable basic question. I wanted to admit that the my Marxist/adornoilais/desadeian violence analysis is not explicit, but there remains a dreadful conclusion: We will resort to violence, we don't want to and we can't get rid of it. We don't exactly know what is it in violence that corrodes us and what is in it that feeds us.

    2.

    I wanted to raise the question about the pleasure of watching violence. Only few of the clips of violent material I used for the piece are watched for gain, for the skill of rational problem solving required for information. Still very few of us are actual sadists. What are the reasons which makes us volunteer to watch violence, either real or mimetic?

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    I was hoping that this unexplainable violence in the piece would show itself so true exactly for the lack of explanations and purpose that it would make the other violence shown in the piece seem like violence, not as a representation of something dynamic and symbolic.

    4.

    I was thinking, that because the cat killing scene would likely provoke a strong emotional reaction in the crowd, this reaction would be a proof of that the explicit, "meaningless" violence is less harmful than the structural and emotional violence. Obscene and "meaningless" (or self-intrinsic) violence is such a strong effect that even a small dose of it is much, it horrifies and/or contradictionarily enchants the viewer and the violence doer. Which is unlike the structural violence that insidiously masks itself and thus even an insane amount of it won't feel like much.

    5.

    The 6 seconds of cat killing scene in the piece was after an hour of presentation of violence against humans and other nature: documentary pictures of war, hunger, ecocatastrophy, structural violence and forced labor. I was hoping that the viewer would be shocked about the cat killing scene but after that even more shocked when the viewer would realize that he/she dismissed the other, much bigger waves of violence just like that. I knew that I will kill a cat for this piece, the audience will be shocked, but I was hoping that it would make the audience consider how many people need to be oppressed and killed for their lifestyle and consumer habits.

    6.

    I also wanted to deal with mortality and pain as something else than the opposite of a good life, as something else than a problem from which we'd hope the technological advances would free us from. My goal is to accept mortality and try to experience it not only as the edge of life, but as the source of everything pleasant. Only the limited nature of life gives us the chance to feel like it's valuable, just like death gives sense to life just like the empty stomach gives worth to food and the pain does to
    relief.


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    The basic ethos of the piece, which is borrowed from Marquis de Sade, is that as violence is instrumentalisized for calculated gain pursuit, it loses it's fruitful potential, it's vitalizing ability, masks itself into something else and grows with the help of it's invisibility to colossal scale. The result is a world, where the most destructive violence is hidden and those who are guilty of it consider themselves non-violent, ordinary and law-abiding people. Few people die in street fights or are the victims of a pedofile compared to the number of people who die because we want cheap sneakers, bananas and oil without wanting to know who is enslaved and murder in order to pay for those.
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    I'm sure he watched a lot of cat porn.

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    I'm not sure I would watch this video. Maybe.

    The artist lays out some fairly clear explanations for the function of the cat killing scene. Not having seen the film, I can't say whether the scene successfully functioned in the way in which he intended. From just reading what he says about it, my guess is that what he is wanting to come across to the audience probably would not come across to them as he intended on a conscious level (for most people anyway). Maybe he doesn't intend for the work to communicate these ideas on a conscious level. However, it has resonated with you in the ways he talks about. I wonder what your first reaction was. Did you like it and know why? Did you immediately want to read about it? Is his explanation a part of the work?

    I get the sense that he had an intuition to include this scene as a powerful show of purposeless violence, and then wrote some stuff to justify it intellectually later. This isn't necessarily a criticism of the scene. More a criticism of the explanation. It seems evasive somehow, though I'm not sure of what or why.

    It is interesting that he explained it though... basically transforming that scene from "violence which had no other obvious purpose or explanation" to something purposeful and explained.

    Also, I do find the points he makes in his explanation interesting.

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    Sounds oh so edgy.

    Boring.
    Cruel.
    Stupid.
    Childish.
    Unoriginal.

    He would have better severed the art scene by taking a public shower. I'm sure he probably needed it.

    That's also a really shitty interpenetration of De Sade's philosophy (which is itself pretty stupid.) De Sade proposed that sexual violence is perfectly fine (in fact ideal) because people want to be violated. And that this violation is natural, that anything else would go against nature. I think that's true to a certain extent. This is extremely flawed though. It obviously cannot be applied to everyone and certainly cannot extend to animals.

    De Sade wasn't attempting to make some sort of profound statement about violence. He simply wanted to fuck little girls in the ass and his explanation of this is that it's a natural activity. Likewise this guy wants to kill cats and derive sexual pleasure from it. He seems to think that my making it "art" he is making a "statement." He's not. He's being a kid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scapegrace View Post
    Sounds oh so edgy.

    Boring.
    Cruel.
    Stupid.
    Childish.
    Unoriginal.

    He would have better severed the art scene by taking a public shower. I'm sure he probably needed it.
    Well, maybe you are EII.

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    Maybe. My quest for profound uniqueness is not such that I am willing to justify killing an innocent animal because some necrozoophiliac exhibitionist didn't bother to properly read De Sade.
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    Contradictory. It's clear that the act of violence held meaning, it was just not made explicit in a conventional way.

    Postmodernists can delude themselves into thinking their culture (or lack thereof, they might argue) symbolizes nothing, but anyone who is truly aware that they are absorbing the product of an artists' perspective will get the gist of the message.

    The video is just as much of a calculated effort to exert power through performance as any product of structuralism.
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    My father is a phenomenal artist, so I'm informed there.

    The scene in this movie where Walberg describes the coffee table came to mind.

    Amber casts infinity of shadows, and my Avalon had cast many of its own, because of my presence there. I might be known on many earths that I had never trod, for shadows of myself had walked them, mimicking imperfectly my deeds and my thoughts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vois View Post
    This guy isn't a postmodernist. If a postmodernist were to film himself beheading a cat and masturbating onto it, he'd title it "This is Kindness" and say nothing more.
    If he's not, then he damn well pushes the envelope with anti-structuralist sentiments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vois View Post
    A language game is the missing element.
    Ehhhh...

    That would mean that visual postmodern art doesn't exist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vois View Post
    All postmodern art is visual. It's also linguistic.
    It's always linguistic in the sense that it deconstructs some other work, or "argument" (from a philosophical POV). It may not always illustrate words or phrases, but the conceptual basis remains. Similarly, the artist mentioned in the OP makes an iconoclastic effort to borrow other bits of film and reveal a different perspective about them, all the while decrying the tenability of objectivity (in this case, the objective nature of violence and how it influences us). Rejecting grand narratives, whether they be scientific, spiritual, religious, political, or otherwise, is a staple of the postmodern movement.
    The trickster is at one and the same time creator and destroyer, giver and negator, he who dupes others, and who is always duped himself.

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    Really couldn't care less why he thinks he did it. It's just beyond anything I would think was the right thing to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vois View Post
    Not all art about either propaganda or grand narratives is postmodern. The most essential pieces of postmodern art focused solely on the space between language and objective reality, for that is the core of the movement; the rest just happens to relate.
    What would you call this... art... then?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vois View Post
    Yep.
    Lol.

    I meant, "is there any movement of art this belongs to?"
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    I think he could have made the point without killing the cat, especially seeing as how you have to paraphrase it in english for people to understand anyways. Also I think most people are just going to look at the video and be like "there's a guy killing a cat and ejaculating on it", and not "hmmm what is the nature of violence". So pretty much it requires explanation anyways, why not forgo killing the cat in order to present the question with rhetoric instead? I'm sure if there is any point about society and violence he could have easily just observed rather than jump in.

    Which is basically what he's doing he's jumping in on the violent side, and being like "I just killed a cat and ejaculated on it", wow look at me! You think you're better you are not because violence is everywhere! hahaha! And pretty much he could run around and do this all day, until someone imprisons him or kills him and then it pretty much proves his point. He's just a weak insecure showman trying to snuff out innocence and waiting for someone else to come up with the cure while he spreads the disease for attention. Imo while there may be deception to violence, some are trying to be part of the solution and not amplifying the problem. Which I tend to think that's part of the issue, deception and artifice is everywhere but some of that is born in transcendental hope for something better that can't take flight but wants to and some of that is born in willful social maneovering and manipulation.

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    I think it is not complete, the cat art exhibition. That guy not eating the cat after seriously decreased the quality.

    Am I the only one that thinks aesthetics have been violated by not eating the cat?

    ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vois View Post
    Life is a means to an end. If it were the end, we'd all be cattle.
    I think it is the other way around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vois View Post
    He's not innocent; he's not a cynic either.
    Ummm I didn't say if he's innocent or a cynic, I don't really care, I mean I have my opinions about the guy but I don't really want to share.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vois View Post
    He's revealing meaning where before there was none visible and if that poses a threat to you, you are either a child, or dead on the inside.
    It doesn't posses a threat anymore than someone revealing meaning from taking a shit and examining it does, doesn't mean I want to watch it and help whaft around the scent.

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    Life is a means to an end. If it were the end, we'd all be cattle.
    and the meaning to it all is onward to the pathway of cattledom!

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Man From Nantucket View Post
    I think he could have made the point without killing the cat[...]
    But he did make a point. Everything else is irrelevant sentimentalism. He also paid the price that his society imposes to him.
    Quote Originally Posted by jet city woman View Post
    Really couldn't care less why he thinks he did it. It's just beyond anything I would think was the right thing to do.
    Exactly! Thank you for talking about him (and bumping).
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    Sometimes art is insightful, clever, and creative; other times it's just an excuse for insanity.
    Fuck motives, stop bickering about the ethics and look at it! It's fucking obvious that this is unethical, not normal, grotesque and he might not be what you'd consider sane. If killing cats would be a fad I might consider it as an issue. I see this as a single ethical incident (lol) with lots of potential to affect people.

    Some people in this thread have realized that your shock is part of the piece.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquagraph View Post
    But he did make a point. Everything else is irrelevant sentimentalism. He also paid the price that his society imposes to him.
    Exactly! Thank you for talking about him (and bumping).

    Fuck motives, stop bickering about the ethics and look at it! It's fucking obvious that this is unethical, not normal, grotesque and he might not be what you'd consider sane. If killing cats would be a fad I might consider it as an issue. I see this as a single ethical incident (lol) with lots of potential to affect people.

    Some people in this thread have realized that your shock is part of the piece.
    Soooooooooo pointless? oh, and a touch of animal cruelty. *slaps you with Te* lots of shit affects people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Absurd View Post
    I think it is not complete, the cat art exhibition. That guy not eating the cat after seriously decreased the quality.

    Am I the only one that thinks aesthetics have been violated by not eating the cat?

    ...
    Eating the cat would have made this piece much easier to swallow.

    (HAHAHAHAHAHA)

    But it would have changed the meaning significantly.

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    Reminds me of this:



    The trickster is at one and the same time creator and destroyer, giver and negator, he who dupes others, and who is always duped himself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vois View Post
    Do you shit for fun?
    No, just when I'm depressed and want to die.

    Quote Originally Posted by rahmyn View Post
    Eating the cat would have made this piece much easier to swallow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The man from nantucket
    I think he could have made the point without killing the cat, especially seeing as how you have to paraphrase it in english for people to understand anyways. Also I think most people are just going to look at the video and be like "there's a guy killing a cat and ejaculating on it", and not "hmmm what is the nature of violence". So pretty much it requires explanation anyways, why not forgo killing the cat in order to present the question with rhetoric instead? I'm sure if there is any point about society and violence he could have easily just observed rather than jump in.

    Which is basically what he's doing he's jumping in on the violent side, and being like "I just killed a cat and ejaculated on it", wow look at me! You think you're better you are not because violence is everywhere! hahaha! And pretty much he could run around and do this all day, until someone imprisons him or kills him and then it pretty much proves his point. He's just a weak insecure showman trying to snuff out innocence and waiting for someone else to come up with the cure while he spreads the disease for attention. Imo while there may be deception to violence, some are trying to be part of the solution and not amplifying the problem. Which I tend to think that's part of the issue, deception and artifice is everywhere but some of that is born in transcendental hope for something better that can't take flight but wants to and some of that is born in willful social maneovering and manipulation.
    I figure eventually this topic would start again.

    I think he did it to make a point(but also to achieve fame) but shock/trauma actually has opposing effects on people. Trauma can mobilize as well as desensitize, or simply be not very shocking.

    Trauma/shock is certainly a way to make people informed and disturbed, but long term trauma will bring about apathy and a certain level of necessary callousness.

    If you kill(or even witness) one person it might be a huge event in your life, if you kill 100, well that's almost like your job. If you kill a million, you're pretty damn skilled at that thing and it might as well be your identity.

    People get conditioned to shock, which imo is why organizations like PETA and many shock groups all have to do more outrageous things to get noticed, which traumatize and make parts(not all) of the population more entrenched and callous. These groups take the credit for all the gains in these area because their primary object is to be noticed not to achieve concrete gains, while organizations like Humane Society do most of the grunt work and pragmatics to create a better environment.

    If you've ever been to various art museum and seem some of the multimedia video pieces by various artists, you can be sure that almost all of them are extremely boring and pretentious and devoid of viewers. I've gone thru my share of museums, the video rooms most often empty, it's just black and white movies of people doing wierd stuff. I'm sure most people have seen black and white holocaust pictures/videos and brutality to humanity many times in their life, this is something many individuals will be desensitized to, but rarely have they seen a animal butchered in-front of them especially not a pet animal. Given how much shock art is out there, including baby fetuses and such, I think many people are very desensitized about the art world, it's to the point that unless a person was actually murdered, nobody really cares that much. I'm pretty sure some artist think that's a good idea too.

    Well at least this guy is a "successful" artists, god knows what he would try to do if he was a "failed" artists... I mean he would have to step it up a notch or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquagraph View Post
    But he did make a point. Everything else is irrelevant sentimentalism. He also paid the price that his society imposes to him.
    Ok I'm not saying he didn't make a point, what I said was that it was possible to make the point without killing the animal. Further who is to really determine what sentimentalism is relevant or irrelevant? Sentiments are sentiments and don't have to be "relevant" and judged by self-appointed arbiters. Finally I'm not interesting in if he has paid the price that society imposes to him or if he hadn't I was just just interesting in expressing my impressions of the situation.

    Which is that:

    1) the purposefulness of the act is betrayed by a huge explanation, which could have just been given without murdering a cat.
    2) I don't like watching cat's get decapitated and then ejaculated on
    3) I think I could have understood his point on violence and deception with a simple explanation, observation, or reference to a historical case
    4) I think something about his explanation sounds more like a crafty way of making a plea for un-explained impulses he feels and turning this dark side around to be a question for society. In other words its sounds like a cat murder's confession to society. The comparison with deceptive structured violence is especially clever because it almost challenges any lawful opposition against him that involves infringement on innocence, freedom, or violence in such a way like "you think you are better than me?".
    5) I extend point 4 to say no but structured violence as a result of system isn't better than him but just the same. His explanation attempts to give purpose or understanding to his "purposeless" violence. It's the same as anything else, we could say nothing has meaning or purpose until we give it that. Likewise violence in essence may not really have a purpose or function, until we give it that purpose or function.
    6) Finally I don't personally have self-defined purpose to kill cats, nor self-defined purpose to watch people kill cats, nor self-defined purpose to defend people who kills cats. I admit I'd probably kill a cat if it was an issue of survival and life and death, but otherwise I just leave cats alone -- so I don't really relate to the piece of "art" as much.
    7) Further if this is "art" then essentially we could strip police brutality of it's supposed meaning and call street violence perpetrated by police as "street art".... we could call a drunk husband beating a wife "family art", once we remove excuses and supposed meaning like "he was drunk".... we could call war as "grand national competition art showcases"... and likewise, but at the end of the day most people don't really see it as "art", although really anything could be "art", I could film myself taking a shit over his video and then ejaculating on it as "art".

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    Quote Originally Posted by William View Post
    If artists need to go to such extremes as killing as a way to get attention in order to generate sales to be 'successful' in art, perhaps they should consider switching careers to something more helpful for society.
    No, I want them to keep doing art.... "Failed" artists have a bad track record "helping" society.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedBeard View Post
    Reminds me of this:



    What a sadistic POS.
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    The real moral of the story is never go to an original theater of the absurd show. Let that shit get famous first. Because on the one had theater of the absurd can be things like Endgame or Waiting for Godot, on the other you could get a man killing a cat or a woman taking a shit on stage.
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    That "shit" got famous by people talking about it if you haven't noticed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Absurd View Post
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    That "shit" got famous by people talking about it if you haven't noticed.
    Well sort of, I have no idea who did it or what it was called. In fact other than what I've heard in classes and from professors I can't really even verify that it happened. In any case, now that it is famous (and perhaps imaginary?), I'm sure if the show ever came to town everyone would know exactly what it was about well before attending. That's what I'm getting at, people should know something about a theater of the absurd show well before attending, it's not something you want to just go see on a whim if it's a brand new original piece. Wait till people at least are talking about it so you don't end up watching snuff theater or literal piles of shit.
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    they say good art makes you vomit, real life and its awkwardness still makes me vomit sometimes (imo the best artists are ones that are able to properly replicate reality, thus making the audience vomit) ... this just sort of frustrates me a little and makes me roll my eyes.

    I think the author's ego is preventing him from seeing that he's not replicating reality so much as he's doing something over the top and campy/stylistic without much substance. Because most of us do not have the realistic urge to decapitate cats and then ejaculate on them. Sadism isn't the same thing as art, and reality has a way of being cruel without *trying* to be. This is too intentional. .

    And you are not going to get anywhere in the arguement criticizing people of being 'too sentimental.' I don't feel sorry for the cat, I don't even know it... I just think it's mediocre art at best.

    Also he wants too much control over how people view his art, which is narcissistic. I'm not sure everybody went 'ooh how shocking' like he wanted to, I'm sure some people yawned or were even bored with what he did. As an artist you have to realize that you don't have god like control over the world...

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    Quote Originally Posted by truck View Post
    Also he wants too much control over how people view his art.
    Interesting. I wonder if this is true. What makes you say that?

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    Plenty IEIs to debate the issue

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    Same I don't really feel especially bad for the cat or especially shocked. My initial reaction is more like if some crazy guy in a mental institution began to fling poo everywhere, I'd probably just *sigh* and be like "ah man, I didn't want to have to see this or deal with this today".

    The thing is the cat's death isn't anything especially new; animals are killed for food all the time and in foreign countries they will eat animals that are associated to being domestic pets in other countries (like eating dogs in Asian countries), also in order for humans to survive we have to eat other organisms, plants, animals, and so forth. Tons of pets are killed as a result of negligence, or they are ran over in traffic, in fact in my city there are several hit and run fatalities in which people will get ran over by a motorist and left to die, so its not even just pets but people as well. The guy may have gotten off to killing the cat, but tons get off sexually doing some seriously disturbed sadistic stuff. They will convince children to have sex, they will kill other people while raping them, fuck the dead, cannibalize human beings, and so forth. This has all happened before in the course of human history and I'm well aware of it.... so seeing one cat die isn't anything especially special in terms of shock value, its just another drop in the pond of everything that's sordid.

    Also this "artist" isn't anything special because consider the medieval practice in France of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat-burning, the king of france would even light cats on fire to a crowd, completely legal back then because cats were "witches" or something similar. It's just one zeitgeist or cultural values for another.

    I'll completely agree its art, art can be anything, life is art, its poetry in motion or something similar. Or you can say nothing is art, or you can try to build little boxes around what is art and not. As for me I tend to look at it ALL as art, but just because its art doesn't mean I have to regard it with special reverence, if everything is "art" then well there is nothing special about something that's "ART", its just a thing. Therefore most people make preferences on the "art" they prefer... do I prefer going to an art gallery where at the door you get punched in the gut, and then watch a 300 lb 50 year old man take a shit for 3 hours while people discuss what it "means" in the big picture of life..... no I don't. I make different selections on what amuses me in life and what I find meaning in. I may even attempt to define an objective litmus test for what is art, but regardless of the results since people are free willing its almost an inevitability someone will disagree. My preferences are not the same as someone elses, and people's preference on art is no different.

    Now considering this look at society, it consists of people with preferences who can form a consensus on these or disagree. Factions or groups appear on the basis of this harmonization of preferences. This is why culturally some things are art and other are not, its a form of society or culture selectively choosing what they prefer. Looking at this video I think its utilizing political controversy and leveraging it as marketing. I doubt most people really get off themselves at seeing it, but it sparks controversy in them and in society, so it's preferred for its shock value and drama. This is why I find it so annoying, if this trend grows then all the art that society prefers will just be shock artists running amock stabbing others in the face and raping other people and then giving complex wordy explanations on how its so "sophisticated and artistic and deep" in order to teach society about stuff like "LIFE ISN'T FAIR" and "BAD STUFF HAPPENS" and "VIOLENCE BRO, IT EXISTS" and likewise. Personally I'm already aware of all that sordid stuff, so perhaps the greater shock to me is to see something that doesn't devolve into complete ruin and destruction.

    Also why do gallery owners and the like run around saying "WE CAN'T DENY THIS, ITS NOT OUR PLACE TO JUDGE ART!".... well yes it is, you can't house every single piece of art in your gallery. You decide what goes in and what goes out, and based on that you cater to a specific group of people with like preferences. It's unavoidable, because even if you accept all forms of art, then that's another form of catering, but a rather unrealistic one as practically you can't house it all in a gallery, you might as well walk around life with no walls and consider reality the gallery and everyone on the planet as having a share or stake in the ownership of it. But the fact galleries have walls, and admission, means they are making a decision but they are being stupid about realizing this.

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    Who'd have thought this crap could've created so much chat, almost like the artist would say, "win"

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    Wow this is the most interesting post ive read in this forum lately. There is somewhat of a creepish side but interesting. The artist have a good grasp of himself...
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    Artist my ass. I would lock that bastard in a mental institution, he's an obvious threat for the society as a whole. Unhealthy Fi PoLRs often believe that intrinsic motivation, such as curiosity, is enough reason to perform an act. It is not, specially when there are others involved. And a cat is other.

    Say, this is like Victor Frankenstein doing pseudoscience, creating a monster without giving consideration that a monster is still a creature. Science does not come from the air, it comes from humans and thus exist within the frame of human values. It's not science to lock up a group of monkeys in a cage and see how many days it takes for them to die from hunger or if they become cannibals and eat each other. We don't need to know that. Just like we don't need an idiot like this calling our attention by cheap means.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikemex View Post
    Artist my ass. I would lock that bastard in a mental institution, he's an obvious threat for the society as a whole. Unhealthy Fi PoLRs often believe that intrinsic motivation, such as curiosity, is enough reason to perform an act. It is not, specially when there are others involved. And a cat is other.
    Yeah, I think time is ripe to tie up all the Fi porls and perform surgery on them, and free cats they have imprisoned before it is too late of course. I've got a fine collection of scalpels - lost/sold all of my knives -, so it shouldn't be a problem.

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    Regarding OP and the "artist"'s reasonings:
    Oh please...this guy played the part of Curious and acted out a common saying: Curiosity killed the cat...but satisfaction brought it back. Only, the magic trick didn't work.

    Since the saying refers to the cat's curiosity killing itself and the cat's satisfaction bringing it back, maybe this "artist" should try killing himself while reciting scat poetry and then ejaculate on himself to bring himself back. The timing might be a bitch, though.
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    Was he a satanist?

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