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    Question Ne vs Ni

    Ni = Concurrent Threads
    Ne = Threads of potentials
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    That makes you a Ni base.

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    how so?

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    I suck at history because I can't visualize multiple events simultaneously... I can't be Ni

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlavaPHP View Post
    I suck at history because I can't visualize multiple events simultaneously... I can't be Ni
    you think visual and multiple events is Ni? You're wrong.

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    Yeah! Why you so cray cray, that's obviously not endothermic solipsism of tangents!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlavaPHP View Post
    I suck at history because I can't visualize multiple events simultaneously... I can't be Ni
    If you have strong Ne, then you have strong Ni.
    If what you wrote is Ni, and you are Ne, then you CAN do it. Except that it would interfere with your Ne, and you'd choose to focus on the Ne info rather than the Ni info.

    Here's one simple example:
    The Ne type pays attention to the varied possibilities that can occur given a particular context. The Ne base sees multiple possible scenarios or ways that an event can play out.

    The Ni type pays attention to what is most likely going to happen given the context. They've removed the possibilities that don't quite fit the situation as they see it.

    The Ni type tells the Ne type how the situation is likely to play out.
    The Ne type says nonono, that's only one possibility, it could also be X, Y, or Z.
    The Ni type dismisses X, Y, Z, for whatever reason.
    But the Ne is unlikely to let them go.
    Hence, one of the conflicts between Ni and Ne. To pay attention to the valued info, one subdues the other (or tries to, heh).

    (For the record, I see this as only ONE simplified example of Ne vs Ni. And it's quite possible that this example could better fit one or two of the reinin dichotomies instead.)
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    ^ the above sounds more as if it was about Si/Se than Ni. fwiw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlavaPHP View Post
    how so?
    That was a jab at you making concurrent forum treads with little potential.

    Not that I think they have no potential or that I mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anndelise
    If you have strong Ne, then you have strong Ni
    Not necessarily?......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Words View Post
    Not necessarily?......
    Necessarily, according to model A. Makes sense too for elements to have closer relation to some elements over others. Extraversion and introversion being preferred direction of use of some of the same faculties.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Esaman View Post
    Necessarily, according to model A. Makes sense too for elements to have closer relation to some elements over others. Extraversion and introversion being preferred direction of use of some of the same faculties.
    Hmmm, hrrmmmmmmm

    If i'm typing em right i've seen some Ti leading types who are rubbish at the practical realisation of their logic, so I have to say no, not necessarily

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aiss View Post
    ^ the above sounds more as if it was about Si/Se than Ni. fwiw.
    How so?
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    Ne + Ti, every single one i know has been great at History.
    I would say that ethically you are still supposed to act as if you have unilateral responsibility; but simultaneously you have to be able to see the other as a fully autonomous, free, aware person.

    Medicalizing social problems has the additional benefit of rendering society not responsible for those social ills. If it’s a disease, it’s nobody’s fault. Yay empiricism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Words View Post
    Hmmm, hrrmmmmmmm

    If i'm typing em right i've seen some Ti leading types who are rubbish at the practical realisation of their logic, so I have to say no, not necessarily
    Not jut model A, but dimensional strengths.
    Ti leading would be 4d global/developmental strength.
    Which would give them Te 3d situational strength.
    (and Fi 2d rules/norms with Fe 1d experience)
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    is Ni like a grant chart?

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    gant chart

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    seriously, i've done this before, it doesn't go anywhere

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    I am terrible at history because it is political. It is all about "women in the American civil war," pretty much no matter what the class title was. The class title is "Socrates and the Muse" but somehow it turns out to be about women in the civil war, you take a class on "The Crisis of the Gilded Age" but no, it is about women in the civil war. How about "Medieval Spanish History, the Reconquista." Nope, the actual course content is Women in the Civil War.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Words View Post
    Hmmm, hrrmmmmmmm

    If i'm typing em right i've seen some Ti leading types who are rubbish at the practical realisation of their logic, so I have to say no, not necessarily
    Strength we are talking about here is comparative easiness and productivity of some mental tools over others.
    Things that can obfuscate that from translating to being better than other people in particular task are:
    1.general intelligence
    2. practice
    3. motivation
    Last too being quite the culprit for element at the ignored function.
    Also, your "realization of their logic" sounds like "realization of a projects" which requires plethora of elements and is and doesn't just happen for anyone without significant practice.

    Quote Originally Posted by Saberstorm View Post
    I am terrible at history because it is political. It is all about "women in the American civil war," pretty much no matter what the class title was. The class title is "Socrates and the Muse" but somehow it turns out to be about women in the civil war, you take a class on "The Crisis of the Gilded Age" but no, it is about women in the civil war. How about "Medieval Spanish History, the Reconquista." Nope, the actual course content is Women in the Civil War.

    I came to hate history.
    That has nothing to do with subject of history, does it? Just quality of education.

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    @Esaman I was joking... (But I am good at history. Oh no I guess it is HIS story.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by anndelise View Post
    How so?
    it's either not type related or 1 and 2 dimensional Ne/Ni, which is what Si/Se types have. the pitfalls of that seem to be overconfidence relating to future developments (or a thorough lack of it). imo.

    anyway if your Ne is 4d and Ni is 3d you probably don't quite describe 4d Ni anyway so it makes it feel alien to self-declared Ni-dom aka me humble self (and the same goes for everyone of every type wrt other elements etc.)

    ... that, and socionics is bs.

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    I remember in history we learned all about 'civilian life' in WW2 - 9001 times. We never got to play with tanks. Killing people and crushing their skulls under your facist/communist boot is the best bit too

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlavaPHP View Post
    I suck at history because I can't visualize multiple events simultaneously... I can't be Ni
    This means you are a human being, for this is how human brains generally work. People are notoriously terrible at multitasking; they/we don't so much do two things at once consciously as much as they/we switch back and forth between different tasks.
    "And above all, watch with glittering eyes the whole world around you because the greatest secrets are always hidden in the most unlikely places. Those who don't believe in magic will never find it." -Roald Dahl

    http://forum.socionix.com/
    It's pretty cool

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    Maybe im INTj...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pookie View Post
    Ne + Ti, every single one i know has been great at History.
    They may be historians in the modern age but they are great like Ken Jennings....they participate less in the great undertakings like the architects of Ni.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlavaPHP View Post
    Maybe im INTj...
    I think ENTp. You are too sensitive = Fi PoLR
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saberstorm View Post
    I think ENTp. You are too sensitive = Fi PoLR
    I sometimes start snarling when people make jokes or ask me to tell a joke... especially when they ask me to confirm it
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    I wish I was another type ... ENTp is like second to last in terms of income :-(
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    Quote Originally Posted by SlavaPHP View Post
    I wish I was another type ... ENTp is like second to last in terms of income :-(
    where did you hear that?
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saberstorm View Post
    where did you hear that?
    http://www.typologycentral.com/forum...lary-type.html
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    ENTP - $62,960

    That is a good wage!
     
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    That's for MBTI, which is inherently different from Socionics. Also, it's difficult to consider that information valid, the sample pool is likely to be impure and full of misreportings. I recall the method of them checking the income was to have people choose from pay range brackets.

    Any type can make lots of money, though. Being assertive and highly competent will lend to this. Successful entrepreneurs would likely far exceed the top earning type on that list, too.

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    I think I'm more afraid of Se than Fi

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    although I'm not afraid to tell people what to do

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    I think I have two layers of personality... one is intj the other entp... not sure which is on top

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    Bit of an oversimplification.

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