1. ## Ne vs Ni

2. That makes you a Ni base.

3. how so?

4. I suck at history because I can't visualize multiple events simultaneously... I can't be Ni

5. Originally Posted by SlavaPHP
I suck at history because I can't visualize multiple events simultaneously... I can't be Ni
you think visual and multiple events is Ni? You're wrong.

6. Yeah! Why you so cray cray, that's obviously not endothermic solipsism of tangents!

7. Originally Posted by SlavaPHP
I suck at history because I can't visualize multiple events simultaneously... I can't be Ni
If you have strong Ne, then you have strong Ni.
If what you wrote is Ni, and you are Ne, then you CAN do it. Except that it would interfere with your Ne, and you'd choose to focus on the Ne info rather than the Ni info.

Here's one simple example:
The Ne type pays attention to the varied possibilities that can occur given a particular context. The Ne base sees multiple possible scenarios or ways that an event can play out.

The Ni type pays attention to what is most likely going to happen given the context. They've removed the possibilities that don't quite fit the situation as they see it.

The Ni type tells the Ne type how the situation is likely to play out.
The Ne type says nonono, that's only one possibility, it could also be X, Y, or Z.
The Ni type dismisses X, Y, Z, for whatever reason.
But the Ne is unlikely to let them go.
Hence, one of the conflicts between Ni and Ne. To pay attention to the valued info, one subdues the other (or tries to, heh).

(For the record, I see this as only ONE simplified example of Ne vs Ni. And it's quite possible that this example could better fit one or two of the reinin dichotomies instead.)

8. ^ the above sounds more as if it was about Si/Se than Ni. fwiw.

9. Originally Posted by SlavaPHP
how so?
That was a jab at you making concurrent forum treads with little potential.

Not that I think they have no potential or that I mind.

10. Originally Posted by anndelise
If you have strong Ne, then you have strong Ni
Not necessarily?......

11. Originally Posted by Words
Not necessarily?......
Necessarily, according to model A. Makes sense too for elements to have closer relation to some elements over others. Extraversion and introversion being preferred direction of use of some of the same faculties.

12. Originally Posted by Esaman
Necessarily, according to model A. Makes sense too for elements to have closer relation to some elements over others. Extraversion and introversion being preferred direction of use of some of the same faculties.
Hmmm, hrrmmmmmmm

If i'm typing em right i've seen some Ti leading types who are rubbish at the practical realisation of their logic, so I have to say no, not necessarily

13. Originally Posted by Aiss
^ the above sounds more as if it was about Si/Se than Ni. fwiw.
How so?

14. Ne + Ti, every single one i know has been great at History.

15. Originally Posted by Words
Hmmm, hrrmmmmmmm

If i'm typing em right i've seen some Ti leading types who are rubbish at the practical realisation of their logic, so I have to say no, not necessarily
Not jut model A, but dimensional strengths.
Ti leading would be 4d global/developmental strength.
Which would give them Te 3d situational strength.
(and Fi 2d rules/norms with Fe 1d experience)

16. is Ni like a grant chart?

17. gant chart

18. seriously, i've done this before, it doesn't go anywhere

19. I am terrible at history because it is political. It is all about "women in the American civil war," pretty much no matter what the class title was. The class title is "Socrates and the Muse" but somehow it turns out to be about women in the civil war, you take a class on "The Crisis of the Gilded Age" but no, it is about women in the civil war. How about "Medieval Spanish History, the Reconquista." Nope, the actual course content is Women in the Civil War.

I came to hate history.

20. Originally Posted by Words
Hmmm, hrrmmmmmmm

If i'm typing em right i've seen some Ti leading types who are rubbish at the practical realisation of their logic, so I have to say no, not necessarily
Strength we are talking about here is comparative easiness and productivity of some mental tools over others.
Things that can obfuscate that from translating to being better than other people in particular task are:
1.general intelligence
2. practice
3. motivation
Last too being quite the culprit for element at the ignored function.
Also, your "realization of their logic" sounds like "realization of a projects" which requires plethora of elements and is and doesn't just happen for anyone without significant practice.

Originally Posted by Saberstorm
I am terrible at history because it is political. It is all about "women in the American civil war," pretty much no matter what the class title was. The class title is "Socrates and the Muse" but somehow it turns out to be about women in the civil war, you take a class on "The Crisis of the Gilded Age" but no, it is about women in the civil war. How about "Medieval Spanish History, the Reconquista." Nope, the actual course content is Women in the Civil War.

I came to hate history.
That has nothing to do with subject of history, does it? Just quality of education.

21. @Esaman I was joking... (But I am good at history. Oh no I guess it is HIS story.

22. Originally Posted by anndelise
How so?
it's either not type related or 1 and 2 dimensional Ne/Ni, which is what Si/Se types have. the pitfalls of that seem to be overconfidence relating to future developments (or a thorough lack of it). imo.

anyway if your Ne is 4d and Ni is 3d you probably don't quite describe 4d Ni anyway so it makes it feel alien to self-declared Ni-dom aka me humble self (and the same goes for everyone of every type wrt other elements etc.)

... that, and socionics is bs.

23. I remember in history we learned all about 'civilian life' in WW2 - 9001 times. We never got to play with tanks. Killing people and crushing their skulls under your facist/communist boot is the best bit too

24. Originally Posted by SlavaPHP
I suck at history because I can't visualize multiple events simultaneously... I can't be Ni
This means you are a human being, for this is how human brains generally work. People are notoriously terrible at multitasking; they/we don't so much do two things at once consciously as much as they/we switch back and forth between different tasks.

25. Maybe im INTj...

26. Originally Posted by Pookie
Ne + Ti, every single one i know has been great at History.
They may be historians in the modern age but they are great like Ken Jennings....they participate less in the great undertakings like the architects of Ni.

27. Originally Posted by SlavaPHP
Maybe im INTj...
I think ENTp. You are too sensitive = Fi PoLR

28. Originally Posted by Saberstorm
I think ENTp. You are too sensitive = Fi PoLR
I sometimes start snarling when people make jokes or ask me to tell a joke... especially when they ask me to confirm it

29. I wish I was another type ... ENTp is like second to last in terms of income :-(

30. Originally Posted by SlavaPHP
I wish I was another type ... ENTp is like second to last in terms of income :-(
where did you hear that?

31. Originally Posted by Saberstorm
where did you hear that?
http://www.typologycentral.com/forum...lary-type.html

32. ENTP - \$62,960

That is a good wage!

33. That's for MBTI, which is inherently different from Socionics. Also, it's difficult to consider that information valid, the sample pool is likely to be impure and full of misreportings. I recall the method of them checking the income was to have people choose from pay range brackets.

Any type can make lots of money, though. Being assertive and highly competent will lend to this. Successful entrepreneurs would likely far exceed the top earning type on that list, too.

34. I think I'm more afraid of Se than Fi

35. although I'm not afraid to tell people what to do

36. I think I have two layers of personality... one is intj the other entp... not sure which is on top

37. Bit of an oversimplification.

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