Ni egos are shady
strategizing and manipulative and cunning and good at evading accountability. when your strengths involve seeing beneath the surface and three steps ahead, of course this is how it will pan out.
i want to be wrong. tell me why i'm wrong.
(" i'm Ni ego and i'm not shady" isn't convincing)
nothing is type related, therefore being shady is not type related. qed.
the Ni egos that i know are not shady.i mean it's kinda funny when they act shady.
Will the real Slim Shady please stand up?
In which part of their life? It doesn't apply all around imho. (at least to me. It may apply to a part of my working life, for example, but I won't evade accountability - just try to plan and avoid unnecessary workload)
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
BnD.Originally Posted by lungs
Can you elaborate @lungs ?
so maybe i should be thinking less about ability and more about inclination. any type can fuck you over so it just comes down to who to trust anyway.
i went to the movies on easter and saw this cute cartoon and there was this scene where this girl was finding her way out of a cave and this boy who was more experienced was sitting up higher and dropping flowers. and she was chasing after each flower as it dropped and they were leading her out. and then she brought him one of the flowers and was like "hey you dropped this," all oblivious. and he smiled and was happy that she didn't know. and maybe if he'd grabbed her hand and told her he knew the way out, she wouldn't have listened. or it wouldn't have been as cute.
i liked the scene.but the thing that gets me is: he just as easily could have dropped the flowers in a pattern that led her to a dangerous animal. and then shrugged and said, "oops, i dropped it."
lmao.
The end is nigh
So the question is one of intent rather than one of capability. Do you understand why many Ni egos tend to focus on the actions taken by people to try to understand their intent regardless of what they might say?i went to the movies on easter and saw this cute cartoon and there was this scene where this girl was finding her way out of a cave and this boy who was more experienced was sitting up higher and dropping flowers. and she was chasing after each flower as it dropped and they were leading her out. and then she brought him one of the flowers and was like "hey you dropped this," all oblivious. and he smiled and was happy that she didn't know. and maybe if he'd grabbed her hand and told her he knew the way out, she wouldn't have listened. or it wouldn't have been as cute.
i liked the scene.
Everyone is shady unless they are in complete darkness.
And I would hide my face in you and you would hide your face in me, and nobody would ever see us any more.
If anything, when seeing the folding of events, my mother tries to warm me of the upcoming stuff;
Last night, at her bday dinner, she saw me washing the dishes and said, "you waste all this time doing this, it's not going to help you in these ways, spend a little time and do this."
Ni-time
Te - I'm watching you do this and I think you should be doing this.
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Dual type(as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
i guess. or maybe its more how to avoid getting eaten by a tiger.
i don't really think i'm oblivious to flower-dropping. but i'm less skilled at gauging where they lead. but maybe that's just a matter of being smart about people and trusting my instincts regardless of type. if there are insights that could be derived from typology, though, that would be neat.
sure, but doesn't anyone?Do you understand why many Ni egos tend to focus on the actions taken by people to try to understand their intent regardless of what they might say?
I guess.
It's all a matter of perspective really. Is an Ni ego really more prone to dropping flowers onto a path or does an Ni ego do it with a different intention or with a different level of introspection? Is an Ni ego more likely to understand where the flowers lead better than any other type?
i'm presuming they are, which goes back to the OP.
a different intention or level of introspection than, say, an ESI? lol, sure, and getting a view of where they might be coming from versus whatever i project onto what i see could be interesting.
i think Ni would come in handy here, yeah.
Why would the Ni ego have more knowledge of the "path"? Why would the Se ego not accept the advice? The example seems to be a kind of moot fantasy.
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
idk its a metaphor to describe abstract bs... i'm trying to keep it theoretical and impersonal.
i would probably follow the advice, lol.
ni egos theoretically have more knowledge of the ~*~implicit path~*~ but in the movie the dude just had a different lifestyle where he was used to getting out of caves lol.
I'm not sure I believe that Ni egos are more knowledgeable in such practical terms; merely they tend to think long and hard at ideas to try to coalesce them into a single concept that all lines up.
Wonder if you have seen the cartoon in which the boy went to buy bread but in the shop he realised he's got only cash for a half loaf so he went back home to get more money following the footprints he left in the snow. After he got the appropriate amount of money he followed his footprints once again and made it back to the shop, but to his surprise the money he had on him was more than enough and in fact he was to buy a half loaf of bread in the beginning.ni egos theoretically have more knowledge of the ~*~implicit path~*~ but in the movie the dude just had a different lifestyle where he was used to getting out of caves lol.
Depends on person, but from my experience Se egos are much more manipulative and cunning to achieve their goals. This metaphor isn't entirely ni, because any ego could use the knowledge about exit.
i went to the movies on easter and saw this cute cartoon and there was this scene where this girl was finding her way out of a cave and this boy who was more experienced was sitting up higher and dropping flowers. and she was chasing after each flower as it dropped and they were leading her out. and then she brought him one of the flowers and was like "hey you dropped this," all oblivious. and he smiled and was happy that she didn't know. and maybe if he'd grabbed her hand and told her he knew the way out, she wouldn't have listened. or it wouldn't have been as cute.
i liked the scene.
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i was reading the news last week regarding Berezovky's supposed suicide following him losing a major court case against Abramovich, their types being SEE-Fi and SLI-Si respectively - both of these guys are billionaires who haven't earned their fortunes by doing "accountable" work and who have 'dropped flowers' on multiple people, including each other, despite them being Se and Si egos
point being: trying to make heads and tails of what's actually transpiring in reality on basis of "cute cartoons" is going to lead to all kinds of fantastic conclusions
yeah, Ni egos will thematically compound and generalize their perceptions, but somehow this gets translated into a kind of magical predictive talent and ability to see many steps ahead of others
but it's not like Ni egos are the only ones who know what's going on, meanwhile the other twelve types are resigned to blindly tumbling around in the dark
To not be an Ni ego...
i see a lot more than some ni egos do. i'm also capable of being manipulative in a different way. its not my fault people can't interpret a metaphor. oh well. its getting to the point now where i feel like i need to justify myself and i don't feel like being in that position. you get it or you don't.
Don't stop posting, lungs.
well i'd rather see all kinds of superpowers being attributed to Ni egos as it's always a good read, especially if you're one, but unfortunately the reality is much more banal - there is no information element that turns people into "shady" "manipulative" individuals who see beneath and beyond everyone else
it would be more interesting to find out why you have so much distrust for Ni egos, since this isn't the first time that you've tried to implicate people of these types in manipulativeness: http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...s-manipulative
Shady works when it's a dark side. Conceptually that would relate more to the idea of the Jungian unconscious, an aspect of personality that is repressed from causing harm, but projected in doing so until it is recognized in the self. Se-egos would probably relate more. Are you shady Lungs? Could we be talking about you in some respects?
http://soundfxcenter.com/video-games...und_Effect.mp3
maybe i see it as "shady" at least in part because that's what i project upon it. and maybe that's type related (whether i'm Se ego or Ne ego or whatever).
i'm not shady in the same particular way i'm getting at in this thread. i don't lay out crumbs for people like i PERCEIVE Ni egos doing because i don't have confidence that it would lead to the outcome i desired and i feel more confident directly taking them by the hand because then the outcome is more certain. which i PERCEIVE to be type related.
ah well, now you're being slightly more forthcoming about the issue rather than attributing it to cartoons, though you could get more relevant answers if you were more straightforward about it initially
socionics though is not really helpful for analyzing such experiences and getting to the crux of the matter - may be look into personal motives and wishes of the individual(s) who were involved in your specific situation
i'm scared about trusting people in the future who aren't really sure and consistent and explicit about what they want. which aren't really traits ascribed to Ni egos, unless that's a stereotype too? maybe its different with Ni base and Ni creative. but too forward and explicit bothers me so wtf.
Are you sure the crumb thing you are describing isn't Ne or extroverted intuition? I'm not really sure why introverted intuition would care about leading someone on and taking advantage of that. The focus wouldn't be inward, but outward on what's going on. It's not Jungian introversion, at least.
yar. choosing to put your trust in someone is kind of what makes them special. You don't walk up to a stranger and give them your address and the keys to your house. You don't open up to everyone and trust everyone, and that's not out of cynicism or being jaded - it's simple survival. It's how we're wired. Although some people aren't - interesting story here: http://abcnews.go.com/Health/friendl...ry?id=13795416
Anyway, so when you choose to trust someone - that's different, it's special and it means something. You allow them access to hurt you if they choose, and there's nothing wrong with being selective about who gets that privilege.
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