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    strategizing and manipulative and cunning and good at evading accountability. when your strengths involve seeing beneath the surface and three steps ahead, of course this is how it will pan out.

    i want to be wrong. tell me why i'm wrong.
    (" i'm Ni ego and i'm not shady" isn't convincing)

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    nothing is type related, therefore being shady is not type related. qed.

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    the Ni egos that i know are not shady.i mean it's kinda funny when they act shady.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aiss View Post
    nothing is type related, therefore being shady is not type related. qed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the16types View Post
    the Ni egos that i know are not shady.i mean it's kinda funny when they act shady.
    elaborate

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    Will the real Slim Shady please stand up?

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    In which part of their life? It doesn't apply all around imho. (at least to me. It may apply to a part of my working life, for example, but I won't evade accountability - just try to plan and avoid unnecessary workload)
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    Quote Originally Posted by lungs View Post
    strategizing and manipulative and cunning and good at evading accountability
    BnD.

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    Can you elaborate @lungs ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    In which part of their life? It doesn't apply all around imho. (at least to me. It may apply to a part of my working life, for example, but I won't evade accountability - just try to plan and avoid unnecessary workload)
    so maybe i should be thinking less about ability and more about inclination. any type can fuck you over so it just comes down to who to trust anyway.

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    Can you elaborate @lungs ?
    i went to the movies on easter and saw this cute cartoon and there was this scene where this girl was finding her way out of a cave and this boy who was more experienced was sitting up higher and dropping flowers. and she was chasing after each flower as it dropped and they were leading her out. and then she brought him one of the flowers and was like "hey you dropped this," all oblivious. and he smiled and was happy that she didn't know. and maybe if he'd grabbed her hand and told her he knew the way out, she wouldn't have listened. or it wouldn't have been as cute.

    i liked the scene. but the thing that gets me is: he just as easily could have dropped the flowers in a pattern that led her to a dangerous animal. and then shrugged and said, "oops, i dropped it."

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    lmao.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lungs View Post
    i went to the movies on easter and saw this cute cartoon and there was this scene where this girl was finding her way out of a cave and this boy who was more experienced was sitting up higher and dropping flowers. and she was chasing after each flower as it dropped and they were leading her out. and then she brought him one of the flowers and was like "hey you dropped this," all oblivious. and he smiled and was happy that she didn't know. and maybe if he'd grabbed her hand and told her he knew the way out, she wouldn't have listened. or it wouldn't have been as cute.

    i liked the scene. but the thing that gets me is: he just as easily could have dropped the flowers in a pattern that led her to a dangerous animal. and then shrugged and said, "oops, i dropped it."
    So the question is one of intent rather than one of capability. Do you understand why many Ni egos tend to focus on the actions taken by people to try to understand their intent regardless of what they might say?

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    Everyone is shady unless they are in complete darkness.
    And I would hide my face in you and you would hide your face in me, and nobody would ever see us any more.


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    If anything, when seeing the folding of events, my mother tries to warm me of the upcoming stuff;

    Last night, at her bday dinner, she saw me washing the dishes and said, "you waste all this time doing this, it's not going to help you in these ways, spend a little time and do this."

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    Quote Originally Posted by InvisibleJim View Post
    So the question is one of intent rather than one of capability.
    i guess. or maybe its more how to avoid getting eaten by a tiger.
    i don't really think i'm oblivious to flower-dropping. but i'm less skilled at gauging where they lead. but maybe that's just a matter of being smart about people and trusting my instincts regardless of type. if there are insights that could be derived from typology, though, that would be neat.

    Do you understand why many Ni egos tend to focus on the actions taken by people to try to understand their intent regardless of what they might say?
    sure, but doesn't anyone?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lungs View Post
    sure, but doesn't anyone?
    I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by InvisibleJim View Post
    I guess.
    lol, but where were you going with it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lungs View Post
    lol, but where were you going with it?
    It's all a matter of perspective really. Is an Ni ego really more prone to dropping flowers onto a path or does an Ni ego do it with a different intention or with a different level of introspection? Is an Ni ego more likely to understand where the flowers lead better than any other type?

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    Quote Originally Posted by InvisibleJim View Post
    Is an Ni ego really more prone to dropping flowers onto a path
    i'm presuming they are, which goes back to the OP.

    Quote Originally Posted by InvisibleJim View Post
    or does an Ni ego do it with a different intention or with a different level of introspection?
    a different intention or level of introspection than, say, an ESI? lol, sure, and getting a view of where they might be coming from versus whatever i project onto what i see could be interesting.

    Quote Originally Posted by InvisibleJim View Post
    Is an Ni ego more likely to understand where the flowers lead better than any other type?
    i think Ni would come in handy here, yeah.

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    Why would the Ni ego have more knowledge of the "path"? Why would the Se ego not accept the advice? The example seems to be a kind of moot fantasy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    Why would the Ni ego have more knowledge of the "path"? Why would the Se ego not accept the advice? The example seems to be a kind of moot fantasy.
    idk its a metaphor to describe abstract bs... i'm trying to keep it theoretical and impersonal.

    i would probably follow the advice, lol.

    ni egos theoretically have more knowledge of the ~*~implicit path~*~ but in the movie the dude just had a different lifestyle where he was used to getting out of caves lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lungs View Post
    idk its a metaphor to describe abstract bs... i'm trying to keep it theoretical and impersonal.

    i would probably follow the advice, lol.

    ni egos theoretically have more knowledge of the ~*~implicit path~*~ but in the movie the dude just had a different lifestyle where he was used to getting out of caves lol.
    I'm not sure I believe that Ni egos are more knowledgeable in such practical terms; merely they tend to think long and hard at ideas to try to coalesce them into a single concept that all lines up.

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    something got lost in translation along the way here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lungs View Post
    idk its a metaphor to describe abstract bs... i'm trying to keep it theoretical and impersonal.


    ni egos theoretically have more knowledge of the ~*~implicit path~*~ but in the movie the dude just had a different lifestyle where he was used to getting out of caves lol.
    Wonder if you have seen the cartoon in which the boy went to buy bread but in the shop he realised he's got only cash for a half loaf so he went back home to get more money following the footprints he left in the snow. After he got the appropriate amount of money he followed his footprints once again and made it back to the shop, but to his surprise the money he had on him was more than enough and in fact he was to buy a half loaf of bread in the beginning.

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    Depends on person, but from my experience Se egos are much more manipulative and cunning to achieve their goals. This metaphor isn't entirely ni, because any ego could use the knowledge about exit.

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    the way out of the cave is an implicit dynamic field okay omgggggg

    i can't dig my way out of this without either going for more metaphorical mumbo jumbo or getting personal so...thanks for the input.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lungs View Post
    i went to the movies on easter and saw this cute cartoon and there was this scene where this girl was finding her way out of a cave and this boy who was more experienced was sitting up higher and dropping flowers. and she was chasing after each flower as it dropped and they were leading her out. and then she brought him one of the flowers and was like "hey you dropped this," all oblivious. and he smiled and was happy that she didn't know. and maybe if he'd grabbed her hand and told her he knew the way out, she wouldn't have listened. or it wouldn't have been as cute.

    i liked the scene. but the thing that gets me is: he just as easily could have dropped the flowers in a pattern that led her to a dangerous animal. and then shrugged and said, "oops, i dropped it."

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    Quote Originally Posted by lungs View Post
    i went to the movies on easter and saw this cute cartoon and there was this scene where this girl was finding her way out of a cave and this boy who was more experienced was sitting up higher and dropping flowers. ...
    i was reading the news last week regarding Berezovky's supposed suicide following him losing a major court case against Abramovich, their types being SEE-Fi and SLI-Si respectively - both of these guys are billionaires who haven't earned their fortunes by doing "accountable" work and who have 'dropped flowers' on multiple people, including each other, despite them being Se and Si egos

    point being: trying to make heads and tails of what's actually transpiring in reality on basis of "cute cartoons" is going to lead to all kinds of fantastic conclusions

    Quote Originally Posted by InvisibleJim View Post
    I'm not sure I believe that Ni egos are more knowledgeable in such practical terms; merely they tend to think long and hard at ideas to try to coalesce them into a single concept that all lines up.
    yeah, Ni egos will thematically compound and generalize their perceptions, but somehow this gets translated into a kind of magical predictive talent and ability to see many steps ahead of others

    but it's not like Ni egos are the only ones who know what's going on, meanwhile the other twelve types are resigned to blindly tumbling around in the dark

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    damn. yeah i really do need to stop basing my life around cartoons and thinking ni egos are psychic.

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    To not be an Ni ego...


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    i see a lot more than some ni egos do. i'm also capable of being manipulative in a different way. its not my fault people can't interpret a metaphor. oh well. its getting to the point now where i feel like i need to justify myself and i don't feel like being in that position. you get it or you don't.

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    Don't stop posting, lungs.

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    i understand some backlash since the OP was accusatory. its just frustrating to have my pov falsely characterized.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lungs View Post
    damn. yeah i really do need to stop basing my life around cartoons and thinking ni egos are psychic.
    well i'd rather see all kinds of superpowers being attributed to Ni egos as it's always a good read, especially if you're one, but unfortunately the reality is much more banal - there is no information element that turns people into "shady" "manipulative" individuals who see beneath and beyond everyone else

    it would be more interesting to find out why you have so much distrust for Ni egos, since this isn't the first time that you've tried to implicate people of these types in manipulativeness: http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...s-manipulative

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    *edit, poof*

    i'm trying to find answers, not to go on a crusade.

    @djarendee and @Leader have brushed on the same theme and been more forthcoming about it so maybe they'll know what i'm talking about.
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    Shady works when it's a dark side. Conceptually that would relate more to the idea of the Jungian unconscious, an aspect of personality that is repressed from causing harm, but projected in doing so until it is recognized in the self. Se-egos would probably relate more. Are you shady Lungs? Could we be talking about you in some respects?

    Quote Originally Posted by lungs View Post
    i see a lot more than some ni egos do. i'm also capable of being manipulative in a different way. its not my fault people can't interpret a metaphor. oh well. its getting to the point now where i feel like i need to justify myself and i don't feel like being in that position. you get it or you don't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tackk View Post
    Shady works when it's a dark side. Conceptually that would relate more to the idea of the Jungian unconscious, an aspect of personality that is repressed from causing harm, but projected in doing so until it is recognized in the self. Se-egos would probably relate more. Are you shady Lungs? Could we be talking about you in some respects?
    maybe i see it as "shady" at least in part because that's what i project upon it. and maybe that's type related (whether i'm Se ego or Ne ego or whatever).

    i'm not shady in the same particular way i'm getting at in this thread. i don't lay out crumbs for people like i PERCEIVE Ni egos doing because i don't have confidence that it would lead to the outcome i desired and i feel more confident directly taking them by the hand because then the outcome is more certain. which i PERCEIVE to be type related.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lungs View Post
    its all based on one particular experience that i have trouble understanding and i don't feel comfortable talking about explicitly. i'm trying to find answers, not go on a crusade. @djarendee and @Leader have brushed on the same theme and been more forthcoming about it so maybe they'll know what i'm talking about.
    ah well, now you're being slightly more forthcoming about the issue rather than attributing it to cartoons, though you could get more relevant answers if you were more straightforward about it initially

    socionics though is not really helpful for analyzing such experiences and getting to the crux of the matter - may be look into personal motives and wishes of the individual(s) who were involved in your specific situation

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    i'm scared about trusting people in the future who aren't really sure and consistent and explicit about what they want. which aren't really traits ascribed to Ni egos, unless that's a stereotype too? maybe its different with Ni base and Ni creative. but too forward and explicit bothers me so wtf.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lungs View Post
    maybe i see it as "shady" at least in part because that's what i project upon it. and maybe that's type related (whether i'm Se ego or Ne ego or whatever).

    i'm not shady in the same particular way i'm getting at in this thread. i don't lay out crumbs for people like i PERCEIVE Ni egos doing because i don't have confidence that it would lead to the outcome i desired and i feel more confident directly taking them by the hand because then the outcome is more certain. which i PERCEIVE to be type related.
    Are you sure the crumb thing you are describing isn't Ne or extroverted intuition? I'm not really sure why introverted intuition would care about leading someone on and taking advantage of that. The focus wouldn't be inward, but outward on what's going on. It's not Jungian introversion, at least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lungs View Post
    so maybe i should be thinking less about ability and more about inclination. any type can fuck you over so it just comes down to who to trust anyway.
    yar. choosing to put your trust in someone is kind of what makes them special. You don't walk up to a stranger and give them your address and the keys to your house. You don't open up to everyone and trust everyone, and that's not out of cynicism or being jaded - it's simple survival. It's how we're wired. Although some people aren't - interesting story here: http://abcnews.go.com/Health/friendl...ry?id=13795416

    Anyway, so when you choose to trust someone - that's different, it's special and it means something. You allow them access to hurt you if they choose, and there's nothing wrong with being selective about who gets that privilege.

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