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    Why on earth does everyone think I'm an extrovert and, in particular, an EP under Socionics?

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    Anyway, seriously, seeing the inlux of E6's on this board something is amiss in the Socion Land. I mean, first ILIs, LIEs and now E6s. What makes you think you're not this extraverted type nor Ep, for it sounds as if you already decided, at least tentatively...
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    thats a good question because you seem endearingly shy on cam but you still seem obviously Ep to me and i don't know how to articulate why.

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    Whenever I've discussed things with you, your first action is always to throw out positive interests which are disparate and unrelated. A very Pe thing to do and not in the way I would expect with Se, of which I use woofl (unff unff) as a benchmark.

    I blame socionics.

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    Lately you have been appearing more extroverted, in the pure sense. Introversion, energy from themselves, extroverts - energy from others.

    You have been showing a more genuine interest in others, thus you appear extroverted/gregarious, influenced by their response not just to whatever is happening in your own brain/your own personal feelings.

    These things happen in scales. I mean I am very introverted, but I can be extroverted if somebody coaxes me into it and gets me kinda genuinely interested in something that doesn't have to do with me. It's just the introvert, naturally feels things more deeply, their own reality 'feels more real' and so it's draining to be in this stage w/o some assistance. So who knows, maybe people around you are just influencing you to be more extroverted in ways that you like. That's what the classical enfp American therapist does with the emo shy awkward boy that comes to their appointments for counseling sessions. That's all they really do, with compassion and intelligence- they just coax a really withdrawn person to get outside of themselves more, so they won't feel things so heavy that they hurt themselves/or others. You lighten up. You act like the extroverted esfj housewife who buys trinkets instead of having this moral outrage over people who buy trinkets. You learn to laugh at the things you hated instead of be grumpy about it.

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    IEEs are generally speaking the shyest of the extraverts. Anyone who meets me for the first time with knowledge of MBTI/Socionics thinks I'm an introvert at first until they get to know me better and realize that I'm actually an extravert. Also the fact that you're a 6 and sp first may give off the impression of false introversion.
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    Wonder what people say when they don't have any knowledge of MBTI/Socionics about you, Raver.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Absurd View Post
    Wonder what people say when they don't have any knowledge of MBTI/Socionics about you, Raver.
    I wonder too as people don't usually tell me what they think about me. Though, I've been called "logical" before and I found that amusing being an ethical type.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raver View Post
    I wonder too as people don't usually tell me what they think about me. Though, I've been called "logical" before and I found that amusing being an ethical type.
    I better don't say what I have been called, then. But you story is interesting and quite enlightening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by InvisibleJim View Post
    Whenever I've discussed things with you, your first action is always to throw out positive interests which are disparate and unrelated. A very Pe thing to do and not in the way I would expect with Se, of which I use woofl (unff unff) as a benchmark.

    I blame socionics.
    I think I get what you are saying. My interests have actually been very consistent over the years. For example, I used to like playing video games, but didn't play very many. I would get one or two games and stick with those for at least a year and maybe return to it later. These past few months, I've had an obsession with nutrition and diet. I can always find a way to incorporate my personal focuses ( and past ones) into any conversation...

    Quote Originally Posted by BulletsAndDoves View Post
    Lately you have been appearing more extroverted, in the pure sense. Introversion, energy from themselves, extroverts - energy from others.

    You have been showing a more genuine interest in others, thus you appear extroverted/gregarious, influenced by their response not just to whatever is happening in your own brain/your own personal feelings.
    Me showing a genuine interest in others depends on my mood. If there's an unresolved inner conflict, I don't show an interest in other people. Another reason I interrogate people when I feel like it is because I would enjoy the same thing myself if I was in the mood to be interrogated.

    You learn to laugh at the things you hated instead of be grumpy about it.
    Sometimes this is a difficult process for me.

    Quote Originally Posted by Raver View Post
    IEEs are generally speaking the shyest of the extraverts. Anyone who meets me for the first with knowledge of MBTI/Socionics thinks I'm an introvert at first until they get to know me better and realize that I'm actually an extravert. Also the fact that you're a 6 and sp first may give off the impression of false introversion.
    Ahh see I'm the other way around. People who first meet me think I am very outgoing and extroverted. Only when I stick around long enough do I become more withdrawn and socially disinterested until something else stimulates me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HandiAce View Post
    I think I get what you are saying. My interests have actually been very consistent over the years. For example, I used to like playing video games, but didn't play very many. I would get one or two games and stick with those for at least a year and maybe return to it later. These past few months, I've had an obsession with nutrition and diet. I can always find a way to incorporate my personal focuses ( and past ones) into any conversation...



    Me showing a genuine interest in others depends on my mood. If there's an unresolved inner conflict, I don't show an interest in other people. Another reason I interrogate people when I feel like it is because I would enjoy the same thing myself if I was in the mood to be interrogated.



    Sometimes this is a difficult process for me.



    Ahh see I'm the other way around. People who first meet me think I am very outgoing and extroverted. Only when I stick around long enough do I become more withdrawn and socially disinterested until something else stimulates me.
    Interesting, I'm not sure what this actually proves to be honest. I can be this way as well at times and it really varies from each person I am interacting with and is dependent on a variety of circumstances.
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    Bcaus you are Ep temperamend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by polikujm View Post
    Bcaus you are Ep temperamend.
    That means nothing, unless you define exactly what criteria classifies me as such.

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    Socionics extroversion dictates function placement, colloquial extroversion dictates social placement. They are not the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JWC3 View Post
    Socionics extroversion dictates function placement, colloquial extroversion dictates social placement. They are not the same.
    Do you think Extroverts gain energy with action while Introverts lose energy? I don't know if this would fit with the function placement always. In my case I gain energy but seem to be Introverted. I know the concept started with MBTI but it's on Wikisocion: http://www.wikisocion.org/en/index.p...d_introversion

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    Quote Originally Posted by Air View Post
    Do you think Extroverts gain energy with action while Introverts lose energy? I don't know if this would fit with the function placement always. In my case I gain energy but seem to be Introverted. I know the concept started with MBTI but it's on Wikisocion: http://www.wikisocion.org/en/index.p...d_introversion
    Well said. That's exactly the problem. Function placement and things like energy flow are often made to create a dichotomy and suddenly a socionics practitioner is forced to make this confusing decision about which is more important to dissecting the character of ourselves or even those around us. I think it is certainly useful to remember the past, and what has flowed from it, but in this case I do think that things like colloquial (social) extroversion or introversion are simply stepping stones in socionics. Essentially, I think model A is far more important than what helped imagine its creation.
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    Or if you prefer.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wikisocion
    Socionics' understanding of extraversion and introversion is closer to Jung's than to that of modern psychology. An individual is extraverted if his perception is primarily directed at objects in the outside world, whereas introverts' perception is primarily directed at the way these objects resonate with each other and within the observer's psyche. Extraversion and introversion are not absolute qualities, since half of one's psychic function are extraverted and half introverted. One's perception skips around between extraverted and introverted functions. However, the leading function is most dominant and defines the individual's extraversion or introversion.

    While there is probably some correlation between outgoingness and socionics extraversion, this connection is not actually implied in the theory. People of the same type can differ on psychological scales of extraversion, and some socionic introtims are more "extraverted" (i.e. gregarious, sociable) than some extratims. Also, Gamma and Delta types may on average be less extraverted than Alpha and Beta types due to subdued Symbol e.gif.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JWC3 View Post
    Or if you prefer.
    This is good, clarifying.
    How would Ti as ignoring function differ from Ti as demonstrative function?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Air View Post
    Do you think Extroverts gain energy with action while Introverts lose energy?
    Generally speaking, yes, this is one of the defining factors. Even in the Big 5 literature, there's a facet called "activity level".
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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    Generally speaking, yes, this is one of the defining factors. Even in the Big 5 literature, there's a facet called "activity level".
    Well if this is true then I'm definitely Extrovert. Should be either an ESTJ or ESFJ if ESFJ kind of depressed one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Air View Post
    This is good, clarifying.
    How would Ti as ignoring function differ from Ti as demonstrative function?
    In my experience, Ti as Demonstrative(4D) is inherently appreciated, but almost openly mocked in a self-deprecative sort of way. My Brother in law would often joke about how everything is subjective, and so clearly nothing actually makes sense in "reality". But he and i would still conversate for ridiculous amounts of time in analytic regards to questions like "At what point could Naruto beat Freiza?" and other such nonsense.

    Ti as Ignoring seems to be a little "Cockier". Someone else gives Ti, and the person understands it, but rewires it into Te terms. Having a viewpoint that Te is the better way of using that information. I know i do this with Ne. I hear it, and i rewrite what is said in my head using different terms.
    I would say that ethically you are still supposed to act as if you have unilateral responsibility; but simultaneously you have to be able to see the other as a fully autonomous, free, aware person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pookie View Post
    In my experience, Ti as Demonstrative(4D) is inherently appreciated, but almost openly mocked in a self-deprecative sort of way. My Brother in law would often joke about how everything is subjective, and so clearly nothing actually makes sense in "reality". But he and i would still conversate for ridiculous amounts of time in analytic regards to questions like "At what point could Naruto beat Freiza?" and other such nonsense.

    Ti as Ignoring seems to be a little "Cockier". Someone else gives Ti, and the person understands it, but rewires it into Te terms. Having a viewpoint that Te is the better way of using that information. I know i do this with Ne. I hear it, and i rewrite what is said in my head using different terms.
    Thanks. Could you elaborate further on what exactly are Ti and Te? I find the descriptions on Wikisocion poor and over-theoretical.
    I've heard: Te= facts . Ti= thoughts and patterns of thoughts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Air View Post
    Thanks. Could you elaborate further on what exactly are Ti and Te? I find the descriptions on Wikisocion poor and over-theoretical.
    I've heard: Te= facts . Ti= thoughts and patterns of thoughts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raver View Post
    IEEs are generally speaking the shyest of the extraverts. Anyone who meets me for the first with knowledge of MBTI/Socionics thinks I'm an introvert at first until they get to know me better and realize that I'm actually an extravert. Also the fact that you're a 6 and sp first may give off the impression of false introversion.
    Yes it is similar to light and a system of prisms. One angle will reflect the light inwards and trap it into the prism, while another angle results in its reflection. This is similar to the reflection, symmetry, and so forth of intro-version and extro-version with respect to society. Each prism being a person and their medium (which determines their index of refraction), and each light (the exchange of photons) the nature of the interaction between them. This I guess is the idea of the incandescent being which travels via light.

     

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    i always feel drained after interaction. shrugs (@Air and @Raver)

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    Quote Originally Posted by felafel View Post
    i always feel drained after interaction. shrugs (@Air and @Raver)
    I do as well, but it depends with who I am interacting with and how I happen to feel at that moment. Like poli mentioned it's likely a result of being an EP temperament among other factors.
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    the only explanation that made sense to me was that extraverts enter interaction with higher spirits and leave more exhausted (or sth along those lines). the rest makes no sense to me.

    ps: err i meant to post this in @Air's thread on same/similar topic

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    Quote Originally Posted by felafel View Post
    i always feel drained after interaction. shrugs (@Air and @Raver)
    Like our friend said, to me it depends on whom I'm interacting with. But I dislike too much interaction as in college or job, I find it enprisons me. I like to have a lot of time alone everyday.
    I seem to be Introverted if Gulenko and Aushra are are right abt Introverts being more observing of the interaction between objects than objects alone. For example, in a room I tend to look at the overall way things are arranged than look at each object as a single discrete object. I like things fitting with each other because it gives me more comfort even if they are simpler things than a bunch of objects randomly put in a room.

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    Why Am I Extraverted?
    Because Carl Jung and Ausra Augusta said so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by felafel View Post
    the only explanation that made sense to me was that extraverts enter interaction with higher spirits and leave more exhausted (or sth along those lines). the rest makes no sense to me.

    ps: err i meant to post this in @Air's thread on same/similar topic
    Please post if you wish something on that thread, it's Introversion vs Extroversion in General Discussion. Comments are welcome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by truck View Post
    Lately you have been appearing more extroverted, in the pure sense. Introversion, energy from themselves, extroverts - energy from others.
    If people are able to pick me up at time and inspire motivation within me, even without saying anything, then yes, I'm extroverted.

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