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    If the persons deserves their position of authority, then yes. But if not, no. My respect goes to the person who earns it, not the title. - LII/INTj
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    Does anybody?
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    ENTj- what do you mean by authority?

    if I'm dealing with a police officer or judge or something, I show enough respect to get what I want

    if I'm dealing with a manager, no... not any more so than my other co-workers at least

    if I'm dealing with the owner of the company, yes. I treat him like I'd expect my employees to treat me. It's not so much a face to face thing though as it is a matter of looking out for his interests, like with co-workers and clients and whatnot.

    when I was not yet an adult, I respected my parents as people but did not see them as an authority any further than that they could take away my car and/or job. I played by their rules... and I generally won. They called me manipulative and domineering because no matter how strict they'd try to be, I'd do what I needed to do in order to get what I had decided I would get.

    bottom line: I respect "authority" enough to not go to jail or otherwise screw myself over, but I don't "sumbit" to anything. I still do what I want, I just go about it in different ways in order to look out for my best interests.



    so now the questions is... is respecting authority Se or Fe? I think in a power context, it's Se, but in a social or inter-personal context, it's Fe.
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    Generally no. If I don't want to face the consequences that might arise from not respecting authority, then I do so with a lot of resentment. I don't want to be in charge and I don't want someone in charge of me, in fact I'd rather not play that game at all.
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    I respect people not a position.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cone
    Does anybody?
    Well, according to socionics, it's *supposed* to be a Beta trait. But I'm not sure if that's true. We have to keep in mind that maybe the socionists are just a bunch of crazy theorists.
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    Like anyone is going to admit they respect authority.

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    Quote Originally Posted by discojoe
    Like anyone is going to admit they respect authority.
    Playing with the flow = fun.


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    Quote Originally Posted by detail
    Quote Originally Posted by discojoe
    Like anyone is going to admit they respect authority.
    Playing with the flow = fun.
    Playing with the fun = flow.

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    My general attitude is "I don't care about authority". I deal with people only on an individual basis.
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    Quote Originally Posted by discojoe
    Quote Originally Posted by detail
    Quote Originally Posted by discojoe
    Like anyone is going to admit they respect authority.
    Playing with the flow = fun.
    Playing with the fun = flow.
    Fun with the playing = low f
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocky
    Quote Originally Posted by Cone
    Does anybody?
    Well, according to socionics, it's *supposed* to be a Beta trait. But I'm not sure if that's true. We have to keep in mind that maybe the socionists are just a bunch of crazy theorists.
    I wouldn't phrase it that way, but more like "Beta types have a keen awareness of authority and hierarchies of power and tend to either find their place in an existing hierarchy or create a new one." However, even that often doesn't apply to "crazy IEIs" who just do their own strange thing. But they still have a certain reverence of power and authority.

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    I strongly dislike working for other people and having a lower status than "the boss," so I work on my own or with small groups of equal partners. If someone is more qualified, than he becomes the specialist on a certain topic. I don't accept authority by sake of position.

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    IEI subtype

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    It depends if the particular authority is worth being respected, and to what degree.

    I'm really good at figuring exactly how much I can get away with under a particular amount of authority. I figure out exactly how much the person is willing to let slide by, whether they notice stuff, and if they do get pissy about me not respecting them, how much damage they'll do in return. These are all important factors to take into consideration.


    When I'm in a position of authority, I'm generally pretty lax with the rules. That is, until the people below me start bending them. When that happens, I crack down the mega- whip.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick
    I strongly dislike working for other people and having a lower status than "the boss," so I work on my own or with small groups of equal partners. If someone is more qualified, than he becomes the specialist on a certain topic. I don't accept authority by sake of position.
    Very good wording. I relate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Herzy
    I'm really good at figuring exactly how much I can get away with under a particular amount of authority. I figure out exactly how much the person is willing to let slide by, whether they notice stuff, and if they do get pissy about me not respecting them, how much damage they'll do in return. These are all important factors to take into consideration.
    Nice!

    This describes me better than I would have for myself. It's not really a matter of "respecting" the authority, but knowing how to work within the system... and maybe even manipulate it to get what I want. *grin*

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    Yeah, applies to me too.

    Authority generally sucks though, it has a functional purpose which of course im fine with, however in the majority of cases I think it's just used by people as a justification to look down on others, I'm sometimes a little suspicious of people who desperately want positions of authority for this reason.
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    I wish I could say that this wasn't true, but I generally respect an authority if they have an academic degree, or institutionalized social function, (e.g. cop,) to back he/she up... Lame, I know.
    Honestly, I began to trust my own authority a bit more after I graduated from college last year. (Lame again, I know.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by JuJu
    I wish I could say that this wasn't true, but I generally respect an authority if they have an academic degree, or institutionalized social function, (e.g. cop,) to back he/she up... Lame, I know.
    Honestly, I began to trust my own authority a bit more after I graduated from college last year. (Lame again, I know.)
    You sound just like one ESTj I know His self-confidence jumped after graduation and is now hard as steel

    As for me. I can't say I disrespect authority. I don't want to live in an anarchy. I also have some respect for anyone who is doing a good job (as G.W.B. would put it). It is good to have people organized in somekind of hierarchy and working for the better of society. Then again, I like to keep away from that hierarchy I would rather have a position of considerable freedom. Then again I don't mind working for someone or having a boss if that doesn't restrict my freedom too much. Actually a good boss who understands your needs is a great thing to have. I don't mind being a boss if I can still do my own thing instead of taking care of my lemmings' needs all the time. So I don't make a good boss I guess Generally I just want freedom to do my own thing at my own pace and get paid for what my work is worth (hopefully a lot more than the minimum wage ). I see an organized society giving me a better chance to do this than an anarchy would (how paradoxical ) This said, I hated the traditional school setting. I get burnout from even thinking about it

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    I honestly do not believe that many people would admit to respecting authority openly. Just look at the responses here in this thread. How many responses have been, "Yes, I generally respect all authority."? No one likes to be considered an easily led sheep, which is why most people answer "no." That is not to say that those who respect authority are blind sheep, but that they acknowledge a person's right of command over themselves. Most people (myself included) will say "no" so that they can convince some part of themselves that they are their own independent persons apart from some external force. While there is probably type-correlation with respect to authority, people's self-perceptions as well as how they would like to be perceived by others can be a hinderance when trying to determine this type relation.

    The other thing to consider with regards to "respect of authority" is respecting the power that the said authority has over others. Using a simple example: the President of the US. I may not respect the president's authority; I do not believe that he has earned the respect that the title commands. At the same time, however, I must respect the authority he holds over those who do respect the president and his title.

    In most contexts, respect of authority pertains to merely between individuals and not amongst groups of people. One person may choose not to respect a person's authority between the two of them and seek to undermine that authority. In a group setting, however, she may choose not to undermine that authority due to possible repurcussions that would bring amongst her peers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Logos
    Most people (myself included) will say "no" so that they can convince some part of themselves that they are their own independent persons apart from some external force.
    Amen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick
    Quote Originally Posted by Logos
    Most people (myself included) will say "no" so that they can convince some part of themselves that they are their own independent persons apart from some external force.
    Amen.
    Indeed. But I think it is rather because people want to feel like they are completely rational beings, not necessarily independent beings.
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    Indeed. But I think it is rather because people want to feel like they are completely rational beings, not necessarily independent beings.
    That is a much better wording of the idea I was trying to transcribe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by soggy-flakes
    If the person attained their authority position due to their high level of expertise and knowledge and their point of view makes sense, then yes.

    Otherwise no.
    This is not exactly conflicting with your opinion but just to clear it out...
    Usually high level of expertise makes a perfect subordinate. Word "expert" necessarily means emphasizing vertical knowledge on some domain over horizontal knowledge over several domains. It is not forbidden for a boss to have these qualities but especially in "academic trades" (bad concept) e.g. engineer the subordinates have the highest level of expertise. Completely different skill set is suitable for a boss. For example skills in people and relationship management, skill to motivate people and sell ideas, good vision of the future, ... this of course depends a bit on the domain. But for example engineer in Motorola should know about engineering more than the Big Boss in Motorola. Big Boss has to be a better boss instead. The larger the company and the more global the market the more the skillsets in different organizational roles differ. So disrespecting your boss because you are a better programmer or something is not a good idea. However the boss should understand this too and not try to impose his "bad expertise" to his/her subordinates and focus on creating the best possible work environment for them instead.

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    If most do not, or even that there will always be people who claim that they do not, respect authority this leaves me to wonder additional questions that might be easier to answer and more individualized to the personality types.

    What reasons do the different types disrespect, or do not always fully respect, authority? In other words, what aspects of the individual PTs does the authority represent a block, barrier, or interference in their lives? Are there certain conditions in which authority is to be respected? How do their methods differ in going about circumventing or undermining that authority, if any? And if these same personality types were in a position of authority themselves, how would they deal with the attempts to have their authority underminded?
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    I respect good ideas. For me, authority doesn't really matter. If someone says something that's in a seat of power, but what they said has no credibility, why listen to it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mastermind
    I respect good ideas. For me, authority doesn't really matter. If someone says something that's in a seat of power, but what they said has no credibility, why listen to it?
    Well, you take a huge risk on whether you yourself know what you are talking about.
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