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    Do you think its possible IEI's are more visibly outgoing than EIE's?

    one reason being, IEI's are emotivists while EIE's are constructivists?

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    I think EIEs can appear as more contained, calm, cool, collected, and a bunch of other alliterative words. But i think it's pretty clear EIEs are very outgoing from the jump, whereas with IEIs its really just a bubbly thing if they appear outgoing. Otherwise i'd say IEIs appear standoff-ish or awkward-yet-warm.
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    Yeah EIEs seem aloof and contained whereas IEIs don't... IEIs aren't necessarily more outgoing but certainly "warmer" in my observations.The female EIEs are come off as blatantly bitchy or arrogant a lot of the times without much fear of being disliked by those around them... (Think Renee from Americas Next Top Model, cycle 8). Kind of mind boggling when you think is their strongest function?!? It's like they can't mask negative emotions as well as IEIs, and they have blantant comlexes driving their behaviour that they themselves aren't aware of. Maybe accepting Fe IS very different than producing Fe. So in terms of Fe use IEIs are more somehow extroverted maybe?

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    i doubt iei are more outgoing than eie; iei are major in their head reading books away from social connections homebodies

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diam0nd View Post
    Yeah EIEs seem aloof and contained whereas IEIs don't... IEIs aren't necessarily more outgoing but certainly "warmer" in my observations.The female EIEs are come off as blatantly bitchy or arrogant a lot of the times without much fear of being disliked by those around them... (Think Renee from Americas Next Top Model, cycle 8). Kind of mind boggling when you think is their strongest function?!? It's like they can't mask negative emotions as well as IEIs, and they have blantant comlexes driving their behaviour that they themselves aren't aware of. Maybe accepting Fe IS very different than producing Fe. So in terms of Fe use IEIs are more somehow extroverted maybe?
    I think the relative "warmth" of IEIs could have do with the fact that Fe is their Creative function (the "tool" used to serve the goals of the Base function), as well as a conscious Contact function (actively tries to make contact with the environment.)

    also IEIs have Demonstrative Fi (unlike EIEs, who Ignore it), and are Positivists (EIEs are Negativists.)

    generally speaking XXFj types might often seem "colder" than XXFps (or perhaps even LXEs who are utilizing Fe role.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diam0nd View Post
    Yeah EIEs seem aloof and contained whereas IEIs don't... IEIs aren't necessarily more outgoing but certainly "warmer" in my observations.The female EIEs are come off as blatantly bitchy or arrogant a lot of the times without much fear of being disliked by those around them... (Think Renee from Americas Next Top Model, cycle 8). Kind of mind boggling when you think is their strongest function?!? It's like they can't mask negative emotions as well as IEIs, and they have blantant comlexes driving their behaviour that they themselves aren't aware of. Maybe accepting Fe IS very different than producing Fe. So in terms of Fe use IEIs are more somehow extroverted maybe?
    There you go. I think you put it how I was thinking it.

    A lot of EIE's I've met seem kind of... bitchy, and will seemingly do anything they can to create drama... although this isn't something that bothers me particularly but I can see how it bothers others. I find the "queen bitch" syndrome to be really sexy, so long as my toys aren't thrown against walls and broken, or the headlights to my car aren't smashed everything will be ok.

    I feel like the difference between EIE and IEI is this:

    EIE
    Charlize-Theron-image.jpgChristopher-Walken.jpg

    IEI
    Scott-Garrett-Hedlund.jpgZoe_Saldana.jpg

    Assuming the last 2 are IEI's, EIE's tend to look significantly more evil and less approachable... and I feel like I have significantly more experience talking to them then I do IEI's. I've always thought they were introverts... because I always felt I was an introvert and would judge their behavior according to my own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glam View Post
    I think the relative "warmth" of IEIs could have do with the fact that Fe is their Creative function (the "tool" used to serve the goals of the Base function), as well as a conscious Contact function (actively tries to make contact with the environment.)

    also IEIs have Demonstrative Fi (unlike EIEs, who Ignore it), and are Positivists (EIEs are Negativists.)

    generally speaking XXFj types might often seem "colder" than XXFps (or perhaps even LXEs who are utilizing Fe role.)
    That makes a lot of sense. I think that the IEIs I know (including myself) tend to use Fe (also probably mixed with a little Fi) to accomplish goals instead of defining lifestyle. For example, I can be very friendly to win over friends, divert anger and get people to change their minds. I try to see the best in people, even when I'm aware of what I don't like about them. I think if people understand I am for them, they are more likely to let me help them.

    By contrast, my EIE friend tends to be more critical of people, making people want to work toward gaining his acceptance. He is more emotional to the core than me, he just often isn't open as open about. He inspires people by living out his conscience instead of being friendly to people. He is much better at leading and inspiring a group while I generally only have the energy to focus on a few people. I think I tend to be more loyal and he, more charismatic.

    A good example from literature is Captain Nemo from 20000 leagues under the sea. He is a little stand-off-ish, but he is loved for the intensity of his emotion.

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    Idk... I'm pretty reclusive. EIEs tend to take the spotlight much more comfortably than I do.

    IEIs do tend to be less outwardly bitchy than EIEs, though. IEIs are more subtle about their bitchiness.
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    Using my acquaintances and friends as examples, the distinction I'd make is that EIEs tend toward mental presumption and praxial assumption of social control through public antics filled with calculated outrages, while IEIs are likely to go with the flow in social situations and become ensconced within a smaller group in larger scenes. As a result of this, EIEs tend to maintain fairly high profiles while IEIs, despite not being at the forefront of social happenings, somehow often know eeeeeverybody.

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    Do EIEs really have less ability to mask their negative emotions, or, perhaps, do they simply not care to do so?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryene Astraelis View Post
    Do EIEs really have less ability to mask their negative emotions, or, perhaps, do they simply not care to do so?
    Firstly, think of it in terms of inclinations. Secondly, no.

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    Quote Originally Posted by k0rpsy View Post
    Firstly, think of it in terms of inclinations. Secondly, no.
    I was originally going to use the word "inclination", actually. "No" to which? I gave two ways of looking at the matter.
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    I imagine EIEs have less inclination to mask negative emotions from the world than IEIs, because they're extroverted and hence, in general, they are more inclined to express emotions outwardly. And hence they generally just don't care to mask their negative emotions. If you asked an EIE to control their outward emotional reactions, they probably could, but it would be more against their nature than for an IEI.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryene Astraelis View Post
    "No" to which? I gave two ways of looking at the matter.
    I gave a no for both.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DJ Arendee View Post
    Do you think its possible IEI's are more visibly outgoing than EIE's?

    one reason being, IEI's are emotivists while EIE's are constructivists?
    The question is a little ambiguous. Is it possible that some IEIs might at times seem more outgoing than some EIEs? Absolutely.
    Perhaps the intent of the question, though, is "Do you think it's possible that IEI's in general are more visibly outgoing than EIE's?" There it depends on how one defines "outgoing." There tends to be an obsession on the forum with turning things around, speculating that perhaps ILEs are exceedingly introverted-seeming and that Ni types might be more sensing and Si types more intuitive, and what not. And then it always gets to these Reinin dichotomies and their highly suspect descriptions that Augusta came up with on the basis of a few people.

    Perhaps a more reasonable question, though, is whether from a certain person's perspective, IEIs might seem more outgoing than EIEs, and that's absolutely true, because depending in what circumstance you know someone, you see all sides. Almost always, if one person sees someone as introverted, another person sees that same person as extraverted; if one person sees Fi, another sees Fe, and so on.

    Practically speaking, there's a certain firmness that ENjs can have, a certain sense that they know exactly what they want to do, which can come off as introverted-seeming to others. And of course many people have remarked about how crea-Fe can seem effusive and expressive. So it's all a matter of different perspectives and the meanings of words.

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    Quote Originally Posted by k0rpsy View Post
    I gave a no for both.
    If you disagree with me, do you have a constructive opinion to add on the matter?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryene Astraelis View Post
    If you disagree with me, do you have a constructive opinion to add on the matter?
    This or that type might be inclined to this or that behavior. An individual who corresponds with this or that type has a measure of agency, i.e. executive self control. An impulse to take this or that action, which might be regarded as characteristic of a type to which an individual corresponds, is met by that individual's intrinsic, habituated, and situational modulation of said impulse, cognitive calculation and volitional execution of which is controlled by executive dedication to both momentary and long-term goals.

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    I think IEI's are warmer because we are the diplomats,and love to focus on building positive connections with everyone (probably ni leading - good relations will help me in the future...). Whereas EIE's are more about the self-expression (fe leading - let's just make an impact!).

    EIE's are way more extroverted than I am lol! They are always doing sociable things, and seem to be 'friends' with absolutely everyone! One time this duo of best friends - an SLE (whose really popular and extroverted) and an EIE, came banging at my uni/college door, mad drunk.The SLE was raging at the EIE for knowing EVERYONE they walked passed while out at a club together, claiming the EIE should be privileged to be seen out with HIM, and as such was a bad friend haha! This EIE is quite mellow and not the highly talkative extrovert yet even he knew everyone! This to me defines them as the mad extroverts they are ^_^.

    This extensive social networking makes them completely different to me! They are always THE person to know everyone, to chat to everyone, to have friends everywhere. Whereas I like to strike up conversations and make friends, but people definitely have to reach out to me consistently, and as such I only have a good amount of friends because of exposure from living near them or befriending them through some beta extrovert.

    However, from experience, IEI's can be very bouncy and talkative (seemingly extroverted) when they have grown a lot of confidence, though I think it definitely requires putting ourselves out there, and is something that grows over time. Yet we are prone to isolation - which further defines us as an introvert, unlike the EIE. I definitely need people to initiate things with me. In my first year of college/uni, I hit it off with everyone I lived with...yet they didn't really initiate constant hang outs and took my not putting myself out there to mean I didn't want to hang out. I then befriended an LSI girl who straight away started arranging meet ups between me and her gang of friends. I need someone to reach out to me like that, I'll rarely do it! Whereas EIE's REALLY put themselves out there!

    --- I also at times really relate to the bitchy, I don't give a fuck - highly emotionally dominant and expressive edginess that EIE's can have. I think it's a strand in me related to my preppy school days. However, as I got older, I developed a lot of compassion and goodwill for people, and am very adverse to this 'not giving a fuck' self-expression, because I've seen how damaging it can be to your social relationships (and then to your happiness) - and I really avoid it (yay ni ^_^). I still tend to be very opinionated and emotionally edgy at times, but I'll always make sure I smooth it over with love aha. I also think it's really related to confidence...when I am confident I become more like this, and can get 'carried away' in self expression aha. So I suppose I totally empathize with the EIE on that! We don't mean to be insensitive, we can just get fired up and throw our stirring opinions out there! Yet at the same time I'm not bitchy and care massively for people's feelings...but I was quite bitchy in school. So it's kind of hazy with mirrors imo!
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    I'm (probably) an IEI or EIE.

    Whichever I am, I'm socially reclusive. I much prefer one on one interactions / having my own space to, for example, read books, play games, listen to music, etc. The thought of going out and.... 'socialising' unnerves me a great deal. No me gusta, as the French* would say. Fuck it - let's say I'm an EIE; the answer to the OP is "Yes, sometimes - depends innit".

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    Quote Originally Posted by pmj View Post
    I'm (probably) an IEI or EIE.

    Whichever I am, I'm socially reclusive. I much prefer one on one interactions / having my own space to, for example, read books, play games, listen to music, etc. The thought of going out and.... 'socialising' unnerves me a great deal. No me gusta, as the French* would say. Fuck it - let's say I'm an EIE; the answer to the OP is "Yes, sometimes - depends innit".

    *sicsicsicsic
    I'm curious, do you not like big groups or being with people in general? I get really quiet with lots of people and really need to be alone sometimes but if other people didn't exist, I really wouldn't have a reason to live.

    What are your balances? Do you find purpose or meaning in other people, even impacting others indirectly despite being reclusive? Me personally, I focus a lot of my alone time on my friends, like trying to unravel their emotions and thoughts or even just making gifts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DJ Arendee View Post
    There you go. I think you put it how I was thinking it.

    A lot of EIE's I've met seem kind of... bitchy, and will seemingly do anything they can to create drama... although this isn't something that bothers me particularly but I can see how it bothers others. I find the "queen bitch" syndrome to be really sexy, so long as my toys aren't thrown against walls and broken, or the headlights to my car aren't smashed everything will be ok.

    I feel like the difference between EIE and IEI is this:

    EIE
    Charlize-Theron-image.jpgChristopher-Walken.jpg

    IEI
    Scott-Garrett-Hedlund.jpgZoe_Saldana.jpg

    Assuming the last 2 are IEI's, EIE's tend to look significantly more evil and less approachable... and I feel like I have significantly more experience talking to them then I do IEI's. I've always thought they were introverts... because I always felt I was an introvert and would judge their behavior according to my own.

    mm mmmmm charlize theron... queen bitch.
    You choose the most posed bitchy looking pictures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jughead View Post
    You choose the most posed bitchy looking pictures.
    lol!

    Christopher walken always looks sour. It doesn't matter what pic I chose. I looked for pictures that were their natural expression, with their facial muscles relaxed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sindri View Post
    I'm curious, do you not like big groups or being with people in general? I get really quiet with lots of people and really need to be alone sometimes but if other people didn't exist, I really wouldn't have a reason to live.

    What are your balances? Do you find purpose or meaning in other people, even impacting others indirectly despite being reclusive? Me personally, I focus a lot of my alone time on my friends, like trying to unravel their emotions and thoughts or even just making gifts.
    Apologies for the lengthy response time - I haven't been around these parts for a while.

    Whilst I appreciate some social interaction, I'm far from a gregarious individual. I think my job drains me too much, to be honest. I work in an incredibly busy secondary school with ~ 200 staff and ~ 1200 pupils; I'm the main point of contact within my team, so I typically find myself having to deal with a lot of people on a day to day basis. When I get home, I'm usually so exhausted that I have to lie down and have a power nap, after which I need at least a solid hour to myself.

    Outside of work I typically keep myself to myself as best I can... which doesn't really pan out for me these days (I'm engaged to a giga-vert). I do enjoy socialising with close friends (obviously) but after say 2-4 hours I'm ready to return to my humble abode and watch TV, surf the web or read a book. Y'know, solitary / low energy activities. Like yourself, I tend to be very quiet when I'm with a lot of people. I may just chat to one or two individuals within the group, or, if I'm with people I simply don't know, I might break the ice to get people chatting and then take a backseat, observing proceedings in a vaguely disconnected manner... or I might just choose to remain in the background full stop. It depends how I'm feeling in the moment.

    Do I find purpose or meaning in other people? Sure, I guess. They aren't my main focus, though. Truth be told, I'm pretty shoddy at keeping in touch; even my family members are somewhat neglected by my innate inability to keep up with affairs, or put myself 'out there' to touch base with them. Left to my own devices, I'd quite merrily drift along the stream of life enveloped in a blissful unawareness. Fortunately, my aforementioned fiancee is teaching me how to anchor myself in the moment, so I am getting better. Er, slowly.

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    EIE is outgoing in an interested way , like when they want to persuade someone into joining a plan or they know they have to be "the life of the party", cause that's why they got involved in organizing it. Otherwise EIE seems ore professional and colder . Which I suppose comes from Negativism. I think they control their emotional expression more. IEI appears more reserved *at first* in a crowded setting but later they open up. They're less likely to adapt their demeanor to circumstances, they look more like what they feel I guess? All in all IEI is more reclusive , cause they have fewer friends and less verve to mobilize people around them. They kind of have a couple of very good friends. And my impression is they don't change their image so much from one social interaction to another. Maybe they are less image-conscious and interested more in intimacy with those they talk to. But when talking about activities I think EIE is more set in their ways and fixed in their hobbies. IEI starts up something and then gets bored and must find another activity. EIE prefers to stick to the familiar and improve on it. Or even finds a certain pleasure in a bit of a routine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Starfall View Post
    Idk... I'm pretty reclusive. EIEs tend to take the spotlight much more comfortably than I do.

    IEIs do tend to be less outwardly bitchy than EIEs, though. IEIs are more subtle about their bitchiness.
    IEI is more passive aggressive than EIE. (Se HA and EJ "taking action to make sure things stay or become as they should be")

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