Can weak senses make your intuition stronger?

[Ron Mexico]

Let me start off by saying I wear contact lenses and when they are in I rely almost fully on my senses such as sight, smell, taste, etc. But without my lenses I seem to rely on extroverted intuition instead to gather information instead due to the fact my senses have in a sense been crippled. Could this effect the outcome of the information gathering part of a person's personality?

[Raver]

Let me start off by saying I wear contact lenses and when they are in I rely almost fully on my senses such as sight, smell, taste, etc. But without my lenses I seem to rely on extroverted intuition instead to gather information instead due to the fact my senses have in a sense been crippled. Could this effect the outcome of the information gathering part of a person's personality? I thought for the longest time I was ILE but now I am pretty sure I am SLI.

While I think it may be true that prohibiting the sense of sight strengthens other senses, it does not however have any impact on one's personality type. Being an intuitive or a sensor does not mean your senses are weaker or stronger as that is a gross oversimplification. Imo, If you thought you were an ILE and you now consider yourself to be an SLI, then there are most likely other factors that caused the confusion and you should try to figure out what they are.

[Scapegrace]

I have contact lenses. I wonder what type I used to be.

[Absurd]

I have contact lenses. I wonder what type I used to be.

SEE.

[ClownsandEntropy]

None of the Information Elements as they are seen are really based around being able to notice the details of actual objects: Se is more about force and power and control; Si is more about how things personally feel to you. Also, the parts relating to how things appear are probably supplemented in your brain by other senses- like blind people gaining more sensitive hearing. Or Daredevil.

[Korpsy Knievel]

At least one person has made sense so far.

[GuavaDrunk]

Let me start off by saying I wear contact lenses and when they are in I rely almost fully on my senses such as sight, smell, taste, etc. But without my lenses I seem to rely on extroverted intuition instead to gather information instead due to the fact my senses have in a sense been crippled. Could this effect the outcome of the information gathering part of a person's personality? I thought for the longest time I was ILE but now I am pretty sure I am SLI.

*sigh* Please explain how touch, hearing, taste, smell and any of the other nontraditional senses attributed to your skin are affected by contact lenses. Then what ClownsandEntropy said.

[Creepy-pikachu]

Having sex in the dark = Ni. Check.

[blackburry]

Let me start off by saying I wear contact lenses and when they are in I rely almost fully on my senses such as sight, smell, taste, etc. But without my lenses I seem to rely on extroverted intuition instead to gather information instead due to the fact my senses have in a sense been crippled. Could this effect the outcome of the information gathering part of a person's personality? I thought for the longest time I was ILE but now I am pretty sure I am SLI.

this is so stupid. my feelings are hurt.

[ClownsandEntropy]

You guys seem harsh on the new kid...

[Beautiful sky]

LOL

No. because...because...because...

I find that people who are S types and lose all their capability to experience very immobile and depressed. So it doesn't make them more N, it makes them more volatile to other emotions like depression and stuff that's not type related.

[Azure Flame]

If you live in a cave or an area of prolonged darkness for too long, you will go blind, because your brain says "... won't be needing these anymore!"

As such, your brain adjusts your senses much the way a car regulates fluid levels. So when you lose a sense, others get stronger.

Idunno if your intuition gets stronger though. I've always thought intuition is just an aftereffect of conscious or unconscious sensory data.

[Narc]

When I started to need glasses, my intuition levelled up so much. I don't plan for the future, now.

Because I am the future.

[Creepy-]

If weak senses increase intuition, the inverse is true too: strong sense weakens intuition. I have 20/15 eyes, a very acute sense of smell and am decently athletic. My sense of smell just makes me more aware of the food I don't like, my good eyes mean I can pay less attention to my surroundings and being fit means I can be thinking and daydreaming while I run around the mountains. So basically, I don't think so.

[Ron Mexico]

I think this should be re-looked at again. You guys can talk all the smack you want, but it would be natural actually to rely more on your intuition with the declination of your senses. Your intuition is the sixth sense, so in actuality when one goes bad the others increase.

So I have a few things to say to you morons on here.

GuavaDrunk - Go get drunk on your own stupidity
Blackburry - You should instead revel and bathe in your own stupidity
Narc - Your jokes suck

[Absurd]

Blackburry can pull that off only when she asks for another ban for herself. Crazie rat status is unbeatable so far.

[kopyk]

Good you're talking back at em. Ideas should be given a chance, damnit. BTW some blind ppl invent echolocation to make up for it.

[Olduvai]

Good you're talking back at em. Ideas should be given a chance, damnit. BTW some blind ppl invent echolocation to make up it.

adaptation: the reason why functions exist in the first place

[Absurd]

[kopyk]

adaptation: the reason why functions exist in the first place

Indeed. We can trust our senses cuz if we couldn't, evolution wouldn't have them the way it did. This world is huge, vast, complex. Individual capability is so small, so negligible. One person outta billions ain't special and can do close to nothing, esp if he spreads himself thin i.e. become a jack-of-all-trades. This is why archetypes, types and all that exist in the first place, and why they don't change at the whims of humans... ppl are ultimately only of limited control of what transpire here on earth.

[Olduvai]

Indeed. We can trust our senses cuz if we couldn't, evolution wouldn't have them the way it did. This world is huge, vast, complex. Individual capability is so small, so negligible. One person outta billions ain't special and can do close to nothing, esp if he spreads himself thin i.e. become a jack-of-trades. This is why archetypes, types and all that exist in the first place, and why they don't change at the whims of humans... ppl are ultimately only of limited control of what transpire here on earth.

exceptionally well-put

[FDG]

Personal anedocte: I have a great eyesight and I'm an N type, my girlfriend has poor eyesight and she's an S type. I can read stuff that's fairly far away from me, notice people I know that are walking far away etc. but she's still much, much better at handling visual details such as if something's missing or out of place in a powerpoint presentation, if something's even just slightly dirty, if a person's hairstyle has changed, and so on. Whereas I notice a whole lot of stuff, 99% of which has absolutely no use and relevance in today's world (for example, I'm awesome at orienteering and remembering maps). I still like it this way

[kopyk]

I know 3 young ppl (including myself) who are myopic. 2 are sensors. Myopia has been correlated to higher intelligence.

[Radio]

Let me start off by saying I wear contact lenses and when they are in I rely almost fully on my senses such as sight, smell, taste, etc. But without my lenses I seem to rely on extroverted intuition instead to gather information instead due to the fact my senses have in a sense been crippled. Could this effect the outcome of the information gathering part of a person's personality?

perception is a rudimentary physiological function that, by itself, doesn't correspond to any cognitive function. IEs deal with apperception:

"the mental process by which a person makes sense of an idea by assimilating it to the body of ideas he or she already possesses."

know the difference.

[Beautiful sky]

No

[Esaman]

There may be causation the other way. Intuition means weak Si and possibly ignoring your eyes getting tired of days of reading books or staring in to monitor. Also not caring that your eyesight has gotten worse. I had been at times walking around in glasses at least one degree too weak and also dirty, thinking "I don't need sight. I got vision"...

[Beautiful sky]

intuition as in guessing things and being better at it or intuition as in Ne and Ni?

[Ron Mexico]

perception is a rudimentary physiological function that, by itself, doesn't correspond to any cognitive function. IEs deal with apperception:

"the mental process by which a person makes sense of an idea by assimilating it to the body of ideas he or she already possesses."

know the difference.

Intuition is not physiological...especially because it cannot be physically measured this time.

[pumainfp]

Let me start off by saying I wear contact lenses and when they are in I rely almost fully on my senses such as sight, smell, taste, etc. But without my lenses I seem to rely on extroverted intuition instead to gather information instead due to the fact my senses have in a sense been crippled. Could this effect the outcome of the information gathering part of a person's personality?

You could be a clairvoyantique spirit, perhaps
Without lenses, you are dropped in the physical, to stumble search upon what could fulfil your needs,
still that part of you cannot trust what you find becos it is not based on what you are about...

Could be wisdom for you or just information..only you would know

So, yes, it could affect your personality, but not all.. now that will be based upon what else they been into...

[Radio]

Intuition is not physiological...especially because it cannot be physically measured this time.

yes, that's what i said. and neither is Sensing.

[Reficulris]

I think this should be re-looked at again. You guys can talk all the smack you want, but it would be natural actually to rely more on your intuition with the declination of your senses. Your intuition is the sixth sense, so in actuality when one goes bad the others increase.

So I have a few things to say to you morons on here.

GuavaDrunk - Go get drunk on your own stupidity
Blackburry - You should instead revel and bathe in your own stupidity
Narc - Your jokes suck

If we were talking about intuition in the colloqual sense your OP makes sense and so does your rage.

Since we're on a socionics forum Intuition means something else (unless you want to retroactively go for colloqual intuition, which, is kinda a weak but legitemate move...). That means your OP makes no sense in the language we're speaking here, it just doesn't relate well to the concepts discussed (Sensing, Intuition as stated above have somewhat different meanings here). So...

Also, dude, agression much?

@Guavedrunk, @blackburry @Narc: Your jokes rule

[Inguz]

I know 3 young ppl (including myself) who are myopic. 2 are sensors. Myopia has been correlated to higher intelligence.

"/.../ it was reported that myopic children regardless of their IQ gain better school achievements /.../"
Ah, so really, these children have better attention span for reading.

[Ron Mexico]

If we were talking about intuition in the colloqual sense your OP makes sense and so does your rage.

Since we're on a socionics forum Intuition means something else (unless you want to retroactively go for colloqual intuition, which, is kinda a weak but legitemate move...). That means your OP makes no sense in the language we're speaking here, it just doesn't relate well to the concepts discussed (Sensing, Intuition as stated above have somewhat different meanings here). So...

Also, dude, agression much?

@Guavedrunk, @blackburry @Narc: Your jokes rule

Lol, out of all the ILEs on this forum you have number one spot of sissiest, so I don't mind your rhetoric, Venus Quixote. Learn how to spell too before you speak to me again.

[Absurd]

Lol, out of all the ILEs on this forum you have number one spot of sissiest, so I don't mind your rhetoric, Venus Quixote. Learn how to spell too before you speak to me again.

What is Venus Quixote? Is that liek a Quixote, who doesn't wear nappies?

[mu4]

Direct mechanism sensation is probably not in the domain of socionic information element. IMO, based on the structure of the brain, information process is a fairly new development and mostly a cortex, neo-cortex level development.

However information elements can be connected to pre-cortex functions in the brain, I believe sensing information elements to simply be connected to direct sensation mechanisms, and about direct sensation mechanism where as intuition is the isolation away from direct sensation mechanisms. The key to intuition is actually that it is disconnected from sensation mechanism, this isolation from sensation mechanisms creates a situation where other information can be analyzed in potential, possibility, visions, imagination, concepts, etc. Sensory experience taking priority would mask the potential/unreal with the real and direct sensation mechanism and eliminate this isolation.

Sensation as a information element also has uses in the design of sensory experiences and the execution of physical tasks which requires sensory experience.

One interesting news story about an individual who can only walk if he conscious focus on walking, and only if he sees his feet/thinks about it in minutia, if his hands leave his field of vision or his feet, he falls down. He is normal otherwise, but if he's not focusing ever moment on doing these basic unconscious physical tasks, he just collapses. This shows that the conscious sensory systems in a way overrides and interact with unconscious sensory systems. I think this individual may also have no sensation as well. I'm not sure the exact case but I'll find it. IMO, sensation as we talk about in socionics is quite different than sensation as a whole, which includes a lot more structures than Socionics can describe.

[Ron Mexico]

What is Venus Quixote? Is that liek a Quixote, who doesn't wear nappies?

All of us were proud nappy wearers at some point in our lives.

[Absurd]

All of us were proud nappy wearers at some point in our lives.

I wore leaves.

[Reficulris]

Lol, out of all the ILEs on this forum you have number one spot of sissiest, so I don't mind your rhetoric, Venus Quixote. Learn how to spell too before you speak to me again.

Wow, you strike me a an unneccesary unappealing character. Consider yourself lucky, you made the ignore list which is more attention than your stupidity should net you.

[Absurd]

My job is done here.

[Ron Mexico]

My job is done here.

Consider yourself lucky I dont put you on the ignore list!