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    AUTHENTIC DEMONSTRATIONS OF GAMMA DOMESTICITY UNPARALLELED IN THE HISTORY OF NATURAL PHILOSOPHY







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    @HelenOfTroy I'm sure the videos above will be relevant to your interests. You can see how the ESFPs speaking and posturing is quite different from the ENFP you associate more closely with.

    You will also note the INTJ/INTps speech manners and ticks are very similar to your current interest Oakysage/Ragingkatsuki.

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    ur esfp has a nice crib k0rpsy

    edit : i've just noticed that they speak viking so this prolly not k0rpsy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by InvisibleJim View Post
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    HelenOfTroy I'm sure the videos above will be relevant to your interests. You can see how the ESFPs speaking and posturing is quite different from the ENFP you associate more closely with.

    You will also note the INTJ/INTps speech manners and ticks are very similar to your current interest Oakysage/Ragingkatsuki.
    Wow yes, super different from me facial expression wise. Interestingly a close friend of mine who i typed SEE is almost identical in facial expression, movement (and gaze)See pic.... Actually there are a lot of similarities in behaviour too, really a lot.

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    This kind of sudden almost over expression i do not identify with. I move a lot/have a lot of energy, more than the woman in the video at times and there are things that i see of myself in her but there is a huge overriding difference in outlook and i think expression.

    I'd be really interested in seeing a video of SLI, even better to See SLI + IEE though i doubt that yet exists. Maybe i could make one.

    Pondering the ILI ... he seemed to be biting his tongue a lot, and i could see those cogs whirring... but there was this acceptance and appreciation for her candor and she was clearly very attractive to him.

    Did you want me to say if i thought you were similar to him Jim? Well not a great deal but some. He was more relaxed in style, you appear more terse though there are similarities for sure

    Now this is a story all about how, my type got changed, turned upside down. Just wait for a minute and watch chatbox right there, & I'll tell how Gem became the moderator with blue hair.

    In typology central friended and praised, on the picture thread was where she spent most her days. Chilling out, selfies, relaxing all cool, And all typing some people and getting them schooled.

    When a couple of girls who were up to no good, Started annoying her & her friends in the forumhood, She got in one little flame war & got pissed off & said 'I'm moving in with that exboyfriend in the forum with the socionics toffs.

    So Gem pulls up to the forum for a year without being a hater, And yells to typocentral 'Yo creeps! Smell Ya later', Became a mod in her kingdom she was finally there, To sit on her throne as the mod with blue hair.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jennifer1 View Post
    ur esfp has a nice crib k0rpsy

    edit : i've just noticed that they speak viking so this prolly not k0rpsy.
    Not yet. These videos caught my attention with their positive model and descriptions of ILI-SEE synergy, so we can label them as aspirational material.

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    whatevs this couple could be ESE LII. you don't KNOW


    she be makin a whole lot of stupid facial expressions


    she totally wears the pants.
    he is ador.able.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HelenOfTroy View Post
    Wow yes, super different from me facial expression wise. Interestingly a close friend of mine who i typed SEE is almost identical in facial expression, movement (and gaze)See pic.... Actually there are a lot of similarities in behaviour too, really a lot.

    This kind of sudden almost over expression i do not identify with. I move a lot/have a lot of energy, more than the woman in the video at times and there are things that i see of myself in her but there is a huge overriding difference in outlook and i think expression.
    The person I'm reminded of most is an SEE friend's mom.

    Quote Originally Posted by HelenOfTroy View Post
    I'd be really interested in seeing a video of SLI, even better to See SLI + IEE though i doubt that yet exists. Maybe i could make one.
    A capital plan. Searching youtube is likely to return useful results, moreso if you include Russian and Ukrainian searches with the English.

    This couple's descriptions of their personal exchanges made me laugh numerous times at the familiar and appealing themes they mentioned. Of special interest was the means they've developed to incrementally resolve stressful issues. While the characteristics of their information sharing might be most specific to certain types as listed, these videos also present a quality overview of IP-EP Serious Irrationals in their energetic relations, and Irrationals in general.

    Quote Originally Posted by HelenOfTroy View Post
    Pondering the ILI ... he seemed to be biting his tongue a lot, and i could see those cogs whirring... but there was this acceptance and appreciation for her candor and she was clearly very attractive to him.
    That is a useful observation and a good indicator that the chap in question is E5. Another clue is the manner in which they frequently discuss "affect" and how he prefers to let momentary swells of emotion pass by him rather than let them draw him away. Points for Vulnerable there too. Comparing him with myself, this guy is far more planned than I am and he appears to have a slower-burning fuse than I do, which we can attribute to sp-attunement over sx. On the whole, however, his air is rather reminiscent of my own in terms of body language and presence, which people who've seem me on cam can probably attest to.

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    More ILI-SEE duality in this film: Manhattan Murder Mystery

    They even have compatible subtypes (C-H)

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    An interesting note on these videos is that Multi-tasku was 'typed' by podlair as an ENTp and her husband as INTp, a coupling which they view as 'optimum'.

    I'm not going to comment on what I think about podlair here, but I thought it was interesting to note.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Korpsy Knievel View Post
    Video content True Gamma™ Certified
    This very much does seem like ESFP/SEE(ESFp) + INTJ/ILI(INTp) duality but does this certification come with a money-back guarantee?
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    Quote Originally Posted by blackburry View Post
    whatevs this couple could be ESE LII. you don't KNOW
    Nah, she's just the girl version of woofie. Unmistakable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterNi View Post
    This very much does seem like ESFP/SEE(ESFp) + INTJ/ILI(INTp) duality but does this certification come with a money-back guarantee?
    Alpha jokes aren't tolerated here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anglas View Post
    Alpha jokes aren't tolerated here.
    I'm not joking, I'm being serious. Why would you think I'm an Alpha and joking?

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    I know one SEE and she does quite talk like that woman in the video. And makes similar faces. And been seeing a guy who looks really... opposite in many sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterNi View Post
    I'm not joking, I'm being serious. Why would you think I'm an Alpha and joking?
    I don't have opinion on your type. I just assumed you were joking. Peace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anglas View Post
    Alpha jokes aren't tolerated here.
    So are Delta ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anglas View Post
    I don't have opinion on your type. I just assumed you were joking. Peace.
    To convert between MBTI and Socionics; generally speaking for extraverts, ESFP = ESFp and for introverts, INTJ = INTp. However, some INTJ are INTj though since MBTI and Socionics typings aren't always compatible or are mistyped in either system.

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    nah bruh

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    Maybe this is a SEE ILI pair?


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    Quote Originally Posted by May View Post
    Maybe this is a SEE ILI pair?
    Girl seems like an SLE. Not sure about the guy but ILI is plausible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nefnaf View Post
    Girl seems like an SLE. Not sure about the guy but ILI is plausible.
    I'd say definitely ILI for the guy. I recognize a lot of my own mannerisms; plus his strong reservations against saying anything 'cheesy' to her when they first met seems very fe polr/fi HA. SLE is a possibility for the girl, but I think there's a stronger case for SEE. Deciding on a whim to go out to the movies/bar with her shirt on backwards is a very SEEish thing to do. Courtesy of Beskova:

    A story from real life: "NAPOLEONKA was coming back from a vacation with her friends. In the summer, on the train, it is hot and dirty, so all of them ended up looked soiled. Coming off the train onto the platform, NAPOLEONKA - a big fan of ballet - suddenly learns that today is the last day of the tour of Roland Petit, and, despite everything, she decides to go there. Friends attempt to reason with her, since her look was in no way suitable for entrance to Bolshoi Theater; besides a short summer dress she had sandals on of different color - one red, another dark blue.

    Nevertheless, precisely in this form she appears under the columns of the Bolshoi Theater, tanned, unwashed, without make-up. All of the tickets have been sold out, of course, but by one of the columns there is a foreigner waiting for someone. She comes up to him and immediately asks in English, "Excuse me, sir, do you have by any chance a spare ticket?". And, it's a miracle! - he timidly takes a ticket from his pocket. She pays him for the ticket and hops away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by May View Post
    Maybe this is a SEE ILI pair?

    That guy is infamtile, not victim. In my opinion.
    You seek a great fortune, you three who are now in chains. You will find a fortune, though it will not be the one you seek.
    But first you must travel a long and difficult road, a road fraught with peril.
    You shall see things, wonderful to tell. You shall see a... cow... on the roof of a cotton house. And, oh, so many startlements.
    I cannot tell you how long this road shall be, but fear not the ob-stacles in your path, for fate has vouchsafed your reward.
    Though the road may wind, yea, your hearts grow weary, still shall ye follow them, even unto your salvation
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    He's not ILI. Cute couple regardless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackburry View Post
    He's not ILI. Cute couple regardless.
    Quote Originally Posted by Iris View Post
    That guy is infamtile, not victim. In my opinion.
    He definitely jokes a good deal in the video, but his sense of humor and general disposition is cynical/ironic and motivated, in part, by the power dynamics of the relationship (victim) rather than goofy/random and motivated by a desire for a mutual sense of optimism/sense of possibility (infantile). From the ILI-te subtype description:

    The logical subtype provides the impression of a self-assured, sane and judicious person. Sometimes seems haughty and derisive, but is usually kind and often smiling, despite their smile seeming monotonous and tired. Possess a critical mentality coupled with a sense of humor; skeptical, ironic and mistrustful.
    Also, the way his humor is directed (making fun of her in an affectionate way) is a central part of ILI-SEE duality. Courtesy of Strataviskaya:

    In fact, ILI is constantly provoking the initiative of his dual, making him chase himself, exhausting him in tactical games, cooling down his passions, extinguishing his fierceness, knocking down his ambitions, taking away some of the "harmful", "destructive" energy of his dual. Once ILI manages to "calm down" and "humble" his dual, he builds a relationship with him as an equal. He can take on a generously patronizing tone that, most interestingly, the SEE will hold up and support.
    I can't say with 100% certainty that they're an SEE-ILI couple, but SEE-ILI duality contains a very similar dynamic to the one they exhibit.
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    Yep yep. Shadowbox is doing a great job of summing it up :)
    I'm not 100% certain --but I'm still thinking the guy is likely ILI.

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    That guy seems clearly Fe valuing. Listen to @blackburry
    You seek a great fortune, you three who are now in chains. You will find a fortune, though it will not be the one you seek.
    But first you must travel a long and difficult road, a road fraught with peril.
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    Though the road may wind, yea, your hearts grow weary, still shall ye follow them, even unto your salvation
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    i dont want to rewatch the video but i remember the guy having similar facial expressions & vibes as korp.

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    You don't have to rewatch it. I'm not super invested in making sure I type him.
    Feedback I got on it has already been pretty good actually.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shadowbox View Post
    I'd say definitely ILI for the guy. I recognize a lot of my own mannerisms; plus his strong reservations against saying anything 'cheesy' to her when they first met seems very fe polr/fi HA. SLE is a possibility for the girl, but I think there's a stronger case for SEE. Deciding on a whim to go out to the movies/bar with her shirt on backwards is a very SEEish thing to do. Courtesy of Beskova:
    Yep I agree on ILI for the guy for the reasons you mentioned. That story about the backwards shirt is characteristic of EP types in general. If you look at the video around 10:00 the girl looks very clearly uncomfortable when the guy is giving off some of his Fi-HA. An SEE wouldn't react that way. It's also clear (to me at least) that she is declaring, constructivist, negativist etc.

    This is an example of ILI-SLE partial duality.

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    Nevermind. I can't tell. Both parties are being honest here. Idea is that I enjoy arguing.

    As such, yeah.

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    So I'm still not totally decided on that last video of an ILI - SxE pairing.

    But here's another one to look over.

    There's a movie I watched recently called The One I Love.
    I think it centers around an ILI - SEE dual pair with Mark Duplass playing the male ILI and Elizabeth Holmes playing the female SEE.
    A pretty good movie. It's on Netflix at the mo :)



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    Quote Originally Posted by May View Post
    Maybe this is a SEE ILI pair?

    Very charming couple. Cringe worthy some of the stuff she says and does, though. SLE is my vote for her. "We don't have to go into details about how we kissed, but we kissed, moving on!!" Then he proceeds to talk about it. I see Fi HA in the guy, lots of sentiment. As she hears him talk about it, she seems uncomfortable (yet appreciative), and brushes it off and changes the subject every time. I have never seen an SEE be so purposely blasé. Her stories are loud and full of how she thinks people should act in public, shes get louder and more animated with her Fe HA, and he follows along, yet doesn't facilitate this side of her personality. What he does seem to do is put their shared experiences in perspective (Ni) an almost calming effect on her, which is part of what I can see she gets from him.
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    Yeah, I'm thinking SLE might be right for her actually.

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    Quote Originally Posted by May View Post
    Maybe this is a SEE ILI pair?

    I agree with the girl as SLE. I could maybe see an SEE with a strong Te HA. The guy actually seems SLI to me for a number of reasons, but that wouldn't make a lot of sense. If he is ILI he is definitely Te sub because I don't see much Ni at all.

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    @Contra, SLI is possible, I agree, for all those little hints. I was focused more on her and overlooked him. SEE is another possibility with her. Not duals, though. Possibly mirage, which might have caused them to both psychologically adjust slightly, being as they stated they have been together for over seven years.
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