Romancing styles: victim - aggressor revisited

[Creepy-pikachu]

Here is a quote for the mother landz about the meaning of this information style:

"The Lyricist's shortcoming is his inclination to blame others considering them guilty of his own misfortunes. The Commander easily calms down his dual by threatening to punish the offenders and to restore justice. Sometimes he puts The Lyricist to shame, teaches him lessons of courage and endurance."


INFp: "They did this to me." Ni types, specifically the introverts, do not see themselves rationally, as they are removed from themselves. This is not like an Si blaming another, but the continulous pattern of, "them and me," as, inversely, an Si dominant is also very quick to blame themselves as well. With Fe as the compontent of rationalism in this type of ego, the component on "Me" is heightened. "They did this to me. This is how I feel!"

ESTp: "They will not do this to me." The ESTp is repeating the same song in a completely opposing direction, but the theme is still them/me.

I did this in Beta since the Gamma aggressor/victim is far less black/white. Thanks, Ti quadra types!

[Creepy-pikachu]

Oh, further:

"They did this to me" Ni positivist. It sounds like a negative statement, but its the shortest distance of consideration.

"They will not do this to me" Se negativist. The broadest band of will is considered as a whole onto the self.

Again, seemingly similar information passing in opposite direction towards the self.

[fen]

Iiiiinteresting.

[Absurd]

Iiiiinteresting.

Yes, I am totally impressed as well and shocked in one.

[Beautiful sky]

Thanks. This is great.

[Azure Flame]

Are you calling me fat?

[fen]

All sensors are fat. Duh.

[Beautiful sky]

Case in point:

http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...he-types-flirt

[silke]

"The Lyricist's shortcoming is his inclination to blame others considering them guilty of his own misfortunes. The Commander easily calms down his dual by threatening to punish the offenders and to restore justice. Sometimes he puts The Lyricist to shame, teaches him lessons of courage and endurance."

In most IEIs that I've met the motivating factor behind such complains isn't the wish pin the blame onto someone else, but rather the perception of oneself as being unable to make the required impact, which sometimes is only imagined.

[Scapegrace]

Case in point:

http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...he-types-flirt

Maritsa. I am going to try to be very patient here and speak to you like I would a child.

What is happening in that thread is the direct opposite of what is described in Jadae's original post. It's extremely obvious. Read it again.

Read that exchange verrrry closely. Who is the positivist and who is the negativist?

[Creepy-pikachu]

In most IEIs that I've met the motivating factor behind such complains isn't the wish pin the blame onto someone else, but rather the perception of oneself as being unable to make the required impact, which sometimes is only imagined.

Pics or it didnt happen.

[Iris]

In most IEIs that I've met the motivating factor behind such complains isn't the wish pin the blame onto someone else, but rather the perception of oneself as being unable to make the required impact, which sometimes is only imagined.

Siuntal, I can totally relate to that feeling of being unable to make the required impact. Can you comment on differences in the victim mindset between EIEs and IEIs?

[SyrupDeGem]

How about "This happened because of the dynamic between this person and this (other) person"

*note: One of the 'persons' could be the self.

What style would that be @Jadae?

Edit: I'm Asking because i am not sure of my own style.

Edit take 2: What type are you?

[Absurd]

Are you calling me fat?

[Kalinoche buenanoche]

olala c'est la victime

[Creepy-pikachu]

How about "This happened because of the dynamic between this person and this (other) person"

*note: One of the 'persons' could be the self.

What style would that be @Jadae?

Edit: I'm Asking because i am not sure of my own style.

Edit take 2: What type are you?

Is that a pervasive theme?

Talking about my type would really derail this thread to the heavens, so lets save that for later.

[silke]

Pics or it didnt happen.

it wasn't that kind of motivating factor Jadae - it was very camera shy so we didn't manage to get a shot

Siuntal, I can totally relate to that feeling of being unable to make the required impact. Can you comment on differences in the victim mindset between EIEs and IEIs?

One difference that I see is that for IEIs their psyche is well protected from external influences, a place where they can retreat to and take refuge, but this is not so for EIEs whose psyche is wide open and hypersensitive to even the slightest changes in their environment, so they are more like victims of changing circumstances. You can see some of it in this short clip of Klaus Kinski http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pI8jl6V-gyk his eyes wildly rummaging around that he cannot go anywhere, there's only this camp which to him feels like a prison. An IEI under these circumstances would simply look within.

[Azure Flame]

us vs them