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    just when i decided sx/sp might be a better fit @woofwoofl copied this thing in fenryrrs thread that was...holy shit on target.

    does anybody else relate to this? especially sp/sx types? am i not so weird?


    sp/sx also has an inverted narcissism (perhaps distorted exhibitionism is more accurate). There's an impulse to open the raincoat and reveal cancerous lesions covering the torso and genitalia. Festering wounds with a stench. It sometimes seems to be a challenge issued around deep, deep bonding: This is me; How real are you willing to be? Psychic nudity/revelation that, in itself, threatens the sp/sx with self-destruction....or at least social self-destruction, which is part of the distilling process toward the one-to-one uber-bond. There's an element of all that with sx in general but sp/sx, in this mode, prefers it truly organically grotesque, leaving a stain and a scar that's hard to interpret.

    sp/sx has a self-undermining undertow current. That slow slurping sucking sound in the basement. Curls them into themselves, and actually away from outer resources (soc-world). The lack of air makes the pool stagnant; it festers, expands/ferments, gets hotter and hotter.

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    i think it has about as much to do with sp/sx ness as it has to do with the miasma, flogiston, the tooth fairy and money multiplier theory but shit, that sounds familiar.

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    I'm on my period right now. A few of the girls I follow on tumblr take pictures of their blood clot soaked panties while they're on the toilet and post them for all to see. I wouldn't go that far but I totally "get it." Can u handle it bitch lol. When I try to look at it from an outside view it seems so silly but it is what it is.

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    Actually i understand the symbolism of that lungs, i'd also not do it myself but yeah i get it. It's bare bones, it's watch me bleed, it's see my pain, it's look deeper, it's many things more or else.

    I'm sp/sx i thought i was sx/sp until i read the descriptions in relation to enneagram. The 7 with sp/sx is a much closer fit than the 7 with sx/sp. But alone without enneagram sx/sp seemed a better fit. Have you looked at that angle?

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    When I read woof's quote I immediately thought of you @lungs with your pictures of people's innards. A question that came to mind though was what about those people who don't see themselves as having "festering wounds and cancerous lesions" to expose? It seems like there would also be sp/sx people who have an entirely different view of themselves - although the desire to be known or seen would still be there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HelenOfTroy View Post
    I'm sp/sx i thought i was sx/sp until i read the descriptions in relation to enneagram. The 7 with sp/sx is a much closer fit than the 7 with sx/sp. But alone without enneagram sx/sp seemed a better fit. Have you looked at that angle?
    ^ Helen makes a good point. Looking at the stackings in conjunction with your enneagram type can make it much clearer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by squark View Post
    When I read woof's quote I immediately thought of you @lungs with your pictures of people's innards. A question that came to mind though was what about those people who don't see themselves as having "festering wounds and cancerous lesions" to expose? It seems like there would also be sp/sx people who have an entirely different view of themselves - although the desire to be known or seen would still be there.
    thats a good question. i think everybody has "festering wounds" and its an intrinsic part of the experience for me. for me its not just about being known but about being accepted, about weeding out people who can't handle it. if it was just about being seen without the part about ugliness, it would be an entirely different feeling than what i know. don't know how that fits into the sp/sx schema.

    tbh i'm not all that concerned with my type, i was just kind of blown away when i read what woof posted.

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    WTF SP/SX. i usually relate to sp/sx descriptions but then again, I don't really feel like i have wounds to hide.it's just that society does not inspire trust .quite on the contrary,the whole so construct looks like an ensemble of wounds and when you walk on a pool of wounds it starts to look like.............................................k etchup
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    Quote Originally Posted by lungs View Post
    thats a good question. i think everybody has "festering wounds" and its an intrinsic part of the experience for me. for me its not just about being known but about being accepted, about weeding out people who can't handle it. if it was just about being seen without the part about ugliness, it would be an entirely different feeling than what i know. don't know how that fits into the sp/sx schema.

    tbh i'm not all that concerned with my type, i was just kind of blown away when i read what woof posted.
    Warning: "thinking out loud" follows, possible conjecture, take with grain or twenty of salt:

    "weeding people out" is where sp comes most into play imo. You protect yourself by finding out who can take it. I don't think sx/so for instance would be as focused on the aspect of testing people for their ability to handle/accept what you have to show. sx/sp would though. I think sx/sp is more likely to show too much, then withdraw when someone can't take it, while sp/sx is more likely to be very cautious in what they show, testing in smaller increments. They want to just throw it all out there, but can't bring themselves to do it. maybe, maybe . . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by jennifer1 View Post
    WTF SP/SX. i usually relate to sp/sx descriptions but then again, I don't really feel like i have wounds to hide.it's just that society does not inspire trust .quite on the contrary,the whole so construct looks like an ensemble of wounds and when you walk on a pool of wounds it starts to look like.............................................k etchup
    You 'vibe' as sp/so to me. There is certain lightness, airiness, like stream of fresh breeze that flows through your posts which hints at valued social instinct.

    Quote Originally Posted by squark View Post
    When I read woof's quote I immediately thought of you @lungs with your pictures of people's innards. A question that came to mind though was what about those people who don't see themselves as having "festering wounds and cancerous lesions" to expose? It seems like there would also be sp/sx people who have an entirely different view of themselves - although the desire to be known or seen would still be there.
    They talk about the common denominators of life, food, sex, relationships but with a certain social unawareness that leads them to saying things that others may consider too intimately revealing and inappropriate. I referenced Louis C.K. in fen's typing thread as an example of a famous sp/sx person, and if you listen to some of his comedy he goes into describing the fights he has with his kids in minute detail, his wife was giving him a hand-job, says things like "I'd like to rape Hitler" or talks about eating endangered species, which some may deem improper. Sx/sp's are likewise 'blurtateous' but from what I have seen they need to be drawn out and usually withdraw once they can sense that they have said too much. With the sx instinct primary there is stronger focus on personal attractiveness, wanting to be liked or admired by certain individuals. The later desire leads them to try to heighten and enhance their personal qualities and to try to present themselves in a more dignified manner.


    re: the sp/sx quote, the original author of that was dfgray, himself a certified sp/sx 9 and a kind of semi-celebrity of EIDB
    there was actually more to it that woof hasn't included - here is the whole thing:

    On sp/sx

    Posted - 19 Aug 2011 : 4:17:00 PM
    Sp/sx always feels like there's a membrane around them. it takes a bit for what you said to sink into them, and when they 'give' you something, it's like that bit has hit their membrane and bounced back at them back and fourth for a while, stewing in itself, before reaching you.

    Posted - 23 Apr 2011 : 09:56:23 AM
    sp/sx also has an inverted narcissism (perhaps distorted exhibitionism is more accurate). There's an impulse to open the raincoat and reveal cancerous lesions covering the torso and genitalia. Festering wounds with a stench. It sometimes seems to be a challenge issued around deep, deep bonding: This is me; How real are you willing to be? Psychic nudity/revelation that, in itself, threatens the sp/sx with self-destruction....or at least social self-destruction, which is part of the distilling process toward the one-to-one uber-bond. There's an element of all that with sx in general but sp/sx, in this mode, prefers it truly organically grotesque, leaving a stain and a scar that's hard to interpret.

    Posted - 15 Aug 2012 : 11:59:30 AM
    sp/sx has a self-undermining undertow current. That slow slurping sucking sound in the basement. Curls them into themselves, and actually away from outer resources (soc-world). The lack of air makes the pool stagnant; it festers, expands/ferments, gets hotter and hotter.

    Sx charged static ping-ponging inside the hard sp shell -- the release valves sealed off by the shell. A pressure cooker. The anger is partly at how the self is diminishing the self -- hollowing out (from the inside) the strength of the sp wall/boundary.

    Posted - 24 Aug 2011 : 11:47:30 PM
    I can relate to the sp/sx body language examples, the protected come hither especially. I also find myself posing or positioning my body a lot until I feel aesthetically comfortable with how I'm "arranged". "Just so". Like a cat. But yes, I do tend to pose. Am not sure how many sp/sx's I've known, but that's part of the element I see in some is a sort of natural but warm and heavy "firmth" that feels able to be posed (whether conscious or not).

    Posted - 24 Aug 2011 : 11:47:30 PM
    Sx in sp/sx strikes me as a certain kind of problem. It's a wet mess; a flame flaring up against its own will, brightening tall with exhibitionism and expanding red in shame. Imagine a fire beginning next to you, and your impulse is to extinguish it with a bucket of kerosene. Imagine not being able to un-know that that's how fires are put out, and the continual historical aftermaths left in your wake.

    Posted - 26 Aug 2011 : 9:37:27 PM
    sp/sx: Imagine a garden-like place where semi-eroticised psycho-emotional nudity is exchanged....two people in an intimate space, sharing the same apple, transferrring saliva and experiencing the cool inside of the fruit together, simultaneously. [This is sexual-second-ness.] ...At the same time, in the jungle of neurotic overemphasis, the boundary between you and other 'animals' is the imperative need, always on alert. The combined stew of these elements creates a certain style of vigilence and agitation.

    The sexual energy, because of its underbelly of polar reactivity, smolders and some portion of it eventually sours in the tightly-sealed container (it's not given free flow); the bacteria creates a second burgeoning culture that presses at the seams, swelling with a fever. And because social is last, there's an unintelligence about how it looks from the outside, so 'the problem', in contrast to sp/so irritiability, takes on more offbeat forms, which tends to 'lose people'....without the loss fully registering.
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    Cancerous legions? What is this?

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    Sounds like a type 4 sp-sx description.
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    Posted - 24 Aug 2011 : 11:47:30 PM
    Sx in sp/sx strikes me as a certain kind of problem. It's a wet mess; a flame flaring up against its own will, brightening tall with exhibitionism and expanding red in shame. Imagine a fire beginning next to you, and your impulse is to extinguish it with a bucket of kerosene. Imagine not being able to un-know that that's how fires are put out, and the continual historical aftermaths left in your wake.
    I can relate to this quote a lot and the others as well as my entire life has basically been my sp trying to put a lid on my maniacal sx behaviour. I find it funny how sx lasts think I should get rid of the behaviour completely, while sx firsts think there's no need to ration it as it should come naturally. I am always trying to balance it out though with only some success so far.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Director Abbie View Post
    Cancerous legions? What is this?
    this would make for a good Stephen King film

    Quote Originally Posted by Raver View Post
    I can relate to this quote a lot and the others as well as my entire life has basically been my sp trying to put a lid on my maniacal sx behaviour. I find it funny how sx lasts think I should get rid of the behaviour completely, while sx firsts think there's no need to ration it as it should come naturally. I am always trying to balance it out though with only some success so far.
    not sure why but you 'vibe' more as sx/sp to me, I guess comparing the tone in your posts to sp/sx 9s like hitta, bg, dfgray something doesn't match up

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    Quote Originally Posted by siuntal View Post
    this would make for a good Stephen King film


    not sure why but you 'vibe' more as sx/sp to me, I guess comparing the tone in your posts to sp/sx 9s like hitta, bg, dfgray something doesn't match up
    I won't rule it out as a possibility as I've considered sx/sp before. In real life though I come across as more subdued then I do online and the only forum member to have met me in real life was SL who said sp/sx fit me well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lungs View Post
    just when i decided sx/sp might be a better fit @woofwoofl copied this thing in fenryrrs thread that was...holy shit on target.

    does anybody else relate to this? especially sp/sx types? am i not so weird?
    Yes. Its both the want to leave a mark on those of close relation, and the lack of ability to relate to the external world of opportunity -- "No, I will take care of myself. It is my fault that I was not good enough, and I will receive my punishment. I have failed those within my kingdom, and it is my pain to burden myself with." With this sort of self-infliction within the negative light of an sp/sx would also come the idea that external resources could have been asked for, to which these self-inflicted pains could have been avoided. Leaving a mark on others, the same mark inflicted on self, is the bond of expression. "See my pain as only I know it. Bond with me."

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    Quote Originally Posted by squark View Post
    ^ Helen makes a good point. Looking at the stackings in conjunction with your enneagram type can make it much clearer.
    It is. There are themes too, for example, mind triad + sp/sx will often be guardians of sorts. They must oversee and guard their own as they conceptualize everyone in their mind, of course.

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    "sp/sx: Imagine a garden-like place where semi-eroticised psycho-emotional nudity is exchanged....two people in an intimate space, sharing the same apple, transferrring saliva and experiencing the cool inside of the fruit together, simultaneously. [This is sexual-second-ness.] ...At the same time, in the jungle of neurotic overemphasis, the boundary between you and other 'animals' is the imperative need, always on alert. The combined stew of these elements creates a certain style of vigilence and agitation."

    omg /fap lol

    Thats one of the hottest things Ive ever read.

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