Petitions for states to secede from the union are growing hourly
Whitehouse.gov has a petition section. They promise to publicly respond to petitions of over 25,000 signatures.
Texas now has >45,000 signatures (since Nov. 7th), and there are around two dozen states with petitions now and more keep popping up for public view once they get at least 150 signers. Louisiana is close to reaching the mark also.
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petitions
*edit: The Texas petition gained 5000 signers in the last 45 minutes since I posted this.
Last edited by ArchonAlarion; 11-13-2012 at 02:50 AM.
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Good job of keeping all these rednecks anguished and paranoid, rightwing media. Your constant emotional manipulation is paying off in spades.
This is dumb. knthnx
And I would hide my face in you and you would hide your face in me, and nobody would ever see us any more.
These next four years are gonna be goooooood
That's basically the standard response. "States rights = racism cuz dat one time..."
Definitely motivated by right-wing media. Is that faction totally wrong/inappropriate?
I made a petition for Connecticut and I don't even give a shit about who won the election or social conservatism. I'm sure there is a significant libertarian influence (the average republican is not going to be for secession), and Texas is supposedly libertarian leaning from what I've heard.
And yeah, I called this shit a year ago.
In the end, I just want Americans to wake up from their fucking "end of history now its forever party time" mentality (before it is too late... probably already is).
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So I can sign the petition for Texas to leave the union?
Yes, I'm sure many are doing that because they dislike Texas lolOriginally Posted by Director Abbie
*edit: Btw, the white house probably will not respond and the whole thing is just a publicity stunt.
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White people call it "a symbolic gesture".
My personal favorite:
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-...or-not-voting/
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I just copy-pasta'd the Declaration of Independence and it turns out that the other state petitions did the same.
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If these movements succeeded, I wonder what would be the economic ramifications? Of course they never will succeed, but I still wonder. Would it cause the bubbles to collapse?
Probably the most useful thing that will come of this is the realization for thousands of Americans that it is spelled "secede" and not "succeed". I have read so many posts of people using succeed or sucede lol. I do realize that you actually meant succeed, rat.
I assume the economic ramifications would be vast. The entire world economy would crumble without American hegemony.
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I wasn't happy with the election results, but that's no reason to secede. I highly doubt Nevada could even function on its own as it's a dysfunctional state already. I also don't think we really have the right to secede, considering our origins.
Texas was once an independent country, so I think it has a reasonable right to leave. It is large and strong and could survive as its own country again. It is an edge state, so it wouldn't end up like Lesotho.
The Republicans should let it leave so they have a more conservative place to escape to if things go bad.
The Democrats should let it leave because with that strong republican power gone, it would be that much easier for them to have things go their way.
I read that Puerto Rico wants statehood. But think of all the hassle involved with the 50 stars on the flag if that were to happen...unless they were to replace an already-existing state.
The smaller states could combine to form their own union, fwiw.
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For many it's about Obama, but anti-federalism in general has been brewing for a long time. People love to ridicule the secessionists. Like I said, it's the end of history mentality. Once ur in 'Murica you stay in 'Murica. 'Murica 3012!
I guarantee the U.S. will be gone in 25 years at the most, unless something radical happens. It'll be for the best. The world's policeman/bank isn't working out too great.
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I thought Switzerland was the bank.
soon...
that's 0.175% of the total population. keep dreaming.Texas now has >45,000 signatures
Of Texas? Not that it matters since many of the signatures are from other states. I'm banking on a hula-balu though (no idea how to spell that).
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That was good, Ashton. I need to stop saying "indivisible" in the pledge.
i predict their response will roughly amount to this:They promise to publicly respond to petitions of over 25,000 signatures.
Can we keep Idaho? *love potatoes*
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Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Maritsa: crosses visiting Arizona off her list.
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
I saw that. It's pretty stupid. People are probably calling to exile their friends and relatives without knowing it.
Successful secession is the first step to the destruction of the state. I'm all for federalism, but only if the people voluntarily decide for it. Some people from the federal state of Bavaria develop similar initiatives (there is a party devoted to this goal). But I think the actual secession from Germany was never seriously considered by a larger group of the population. Just like the USA (and unlike France, for example), Germany also has a long tradition of federalism and souvereignty of different microstates.
„Man can do what he wants but he cannot want what he wants.“
– Arthur Schopenhauer
For as young as you are Fen, god you are smart. I'm barely older than you and I still rarely see this level of intelligence at my age group. Well done.
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Wisdom will always be a virtue that is applied to age. Regardless of the accuracy of the connection.
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Of course it seems weird to ask for independence, but that could be seen as the more "democratic" option. The case of South Carolina, in which they simply declared themselves independent, didn't end well. And also the secession of the United States from the United Kingdom led to a war. Maybe they use petitions to reach their goal through a legal process or at least to make it look like that. This might also be implied in the wording: "Peacefully grant the State of X to withdraw from the United States of America and create its own NEW government."
I'm not saying that this way will work out.
„Man can do what he wants but he cannot want what he wants.“
– Arthur Schopenhauer
I recently read an article here: https://www.freespeech.org/text/coul...ain-themselves
It was fallacious as it drew conclusions based upon per-financial meltdown statistics (2005).
Also, those mooching red states would be likely to do the following: First they would be unlikely to support or extend the all of federal programs they now recieve. This would encourage the dependent moochers in those states to move to the blue states quickly. Secondly, they would be likely to lower taxes, deregulate, drill for oil, burn coal, and in general, approach international trade from a different perspective. This would result in a lot of jobs moving into those mooching red states...
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And I would hide my face in you and you would hide your face in me, and nobody would ever see us any more.
I disagree. I think it can be useful to gauge public disagreement with Obama, and possibility of a revolt, civil war, chaos, etc. Do I actually think states will successfully secede from the union? No. But it's interesting to see how disgruntled people are, especially with certain states like California being bankrupt, and the majority of states running deficits themselves.
A lot of people are disgruntled because they think they are supposed to be.
As far as I'm concerned, things turning to chaos is gonna happen eventually, so fretting about it is pointless.
And I would hide my face in you and you would hide your face in me, and nobody would ever see us any more.
@Ashton - Good point. Maybe we should join in the disgruntled-ness in order to help speed this along.
And I would hide my face in you and you would hide your face in me, and nobody would ever see us any more.
I was thinking: if we get another civil war, Texas's independence would probably be worth dying for, but not killing for.
I think that we will have large scale peaceful protests, and a few youthful riots!
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I'm sure the new army of Texas will be glad to have you in their frontlines. But as George S. Patton put it: "The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his."
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