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    Default Petitions for states to secede from the union are growing hourly

    Whitehouse.gov has a petition section. They promise to publicly respond to petitions of over 25,000 signatures.

    Texas now has >45,000 signatures (since Nov. 7th), and there are around two dozen states with petitions now and more keep popping up for public view once they get at least 150 signers. Louisiana is close to reaching the mark also.

    https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petitions

    *edit: The Texas petition gained 5000 signers in the last 45 minutes since I posted this.
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    Good job of keeping all these rednecks anguished and paranoid, rightwing media. Your constant emotional manipulation is paying off in spades.

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    This is dumb. knthnx
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    That's basically the standard response. "States rights = racism cuz dat one time..."

    Definitely motivated by right-wing media. Is that faction totally wrong/inappropriate?

    I made a petition for Connecticut and I don't even give a shit about who won the election or social conservatism. I'm sure there is a significant libertarian influence (the average republican is not going to be for secession), and Texas is supposedly libertarian leaning from what I've heard.

    And yeah, I called this shit a year ago.

    In the end, I just want Americans to wake up from their fucking "end of history now its forever party time" mentality (before it is too late... probably already is).
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    So I can sign the petition for Texas to leave the union?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Director Abbie View Post
    So I can sign the petition for Texas to leave the union?
    Yes, I'm sure many are doing that because they dislike Texas lol

    *edit: Btw, the white house probably will not respond and the whole thing is just a publicity stunt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ArchonAlarion View Post
    Yes, I'm sure many are doing that because they dislike Texas lol

    *edit: Btw, the white house probably will not respond and the whole thing is just a publicity stunt.
    White people call it "a symbolic gesture".

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    Quote Originally Posted by k0rpsy View Post
    Good job of keeping all these rednecks anguished and paranoid, rightwing media. Your constant emotional manipulation is paying off in spades.

    My personal favorite:

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    I just copy-pasta'd the Declaration of Independence and it turns out that the other state petitions did the same.
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    If these movements succeeded, I wonder what would be the economic ramifications? Of course they never will succeed, but I still wonder. Would it cause the bubbles to collapse?

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    Probably the most useful thing that will come of this is the realization for thousands of Americans that it is spelled "secede" and not "succeed". I have read so many posts of people using succeed or sucede lol. I do realize that you actually meant succeed, rat.

    I assume the economic ramifications would be vast. The entire world economy would crumble without American hegemony.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ArchonAlarion View Post
    Yes, I'm sure many are doing that because they dislike Texas lol
    I wasn't happy with the election results, but that's no reason to secede. I highly doubt Nevada could even function on its own as it's a dysfunctional state already. I also don't think we really have the right to secede, considering our origins.

    Texas was once an independent country, so I think it has a reasonable right to leave. It is large and strong and could survive as its own country again. It is an edge state, so it wouldn't end up like Lesotho.
    The Republicans should let it leave so they have a more conservative place to escape to if things go bad.
    The Democrats should let it leave because with that strong republican power gone, it would be that much easier for them to have things go their way.

    I read that Puerto Rico wants statehood. But think of all the hassle involved with the 50 stars on the flag if that were to happen...unless they were to replace an already-existing state.

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    ...and the butthurt revolts.
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    The smaller states could combine to form their own union, fwiw.
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    For many it's about Obama, but anti-federalism in general has been brewing for a long time. People love to ridicule the secessionists. Like I said, it's the end of history mentality. Once ur in 'Murica you stay in 'Murica. 'Murica 3012!

    I guarantee the U.S. will be gone in 25 years at the most, unless something radical happens. It'll be for the best. The world's policeman/bank isn't working out too great.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ArchonAlarion View Post
    The world's policeman/bank isn't working out too great.
    I thought Switzerland was the bank.

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    soon...



    Texas now has >45,000 signatures
    that's 0.175% of the total population. keep dreaming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by labster View Post

    that's 0.175% of the total population. keep dreaming.
    Of Texas? Not that it matters since many of the signatures are from other states. I'm banking on a hula-balu though (no idea how to spell that).
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    That was good, Ashton. I need to stop saying "indivisible" in the pledge.

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    They promise to publicly respond to petitions of over 25,000 signatures.
    i predict their response will roughly amount to this:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Scapegrace View Post
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    I saw that. It's pretty stupid. People are probably calling to exile their friends and relatives without knowing it.

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    Successful secession is the first step to the destruction of the state. I'm all for federalism, but only if the people voluntarily decide for it. Some people from the federal state of Bavaria develop similar initiatives (there is a party devoted to this goal). But I think the actual secession from Germany was never seriously considered by a larger group of the population. Just like the USA (and unlike France, for example), Germany also has a long tradition of federalism and souvereignty of different microstates.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fenryrr View Post
    This is dumb. knthnx
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashton View Post
    Haha. You're both ~20 years old and already sound like grandparents.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashton View Post
    Relying on the whims of the nation as a whole seems a bassackwards way to go about state secession. I'm guessing South Carolina didn't bother submitting a petition asking to secede from the Union in 1860.
    Of course it seems weird to ask for independence, but that could be seen as the more "democratic" option. The case of South Carolina, in which they simply declared themselves independent, didn't end well. And also the secession of the United States from the United Kingdom led to a war. Maybe they use petitions to reach their goal through a legal process or at least to make it look like that. This might also be implied in the wording: "Peacefully grant the State of X to withdraw from the United States of America and create its own NEW government."

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    I recently read an article here: https://www.freespeech.org/text/coul...ain-themselves

    It was fallacious as it drew conclusions based upon per-financial meltdown statistics (2005).

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    Quote Originally Posted by InvisibleJim View Post
    I recently read an article here: https://www.freespeech.org/text/coul...ain-themselves

    It was fallacious as it drew conclusions based upon per-financial meltdown statistics (2005).
    Also, those mooching red states would be likely to do the following: First they would be unlikely to support or extend the all of federal programs they now recieve. This would encourage the dependent moochers in those states to move to the blue states quickly. Secondly, they would be likely to lower taxes, deregulate, drill for oil, burn coal, and in general, approach international trade from a different perspective. This would result in a lot of jobs moving into those mooching red states...
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by JWC3 View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by fenryrr View Post
    This is dumb. knthnx
    I disagree. I think it can be useful to gauge public disagreement with Obama, and possibility of a revolt, civil war, chaos, etc. Do I actually think states will successfully secede from the union? No. But it's interesting to see how disgruntled people are, especially with certain states like California being bankrupt, and the majority of states running deficits themselves.

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    A lot of people are disgruntled because they think they are supposed to be.
    As far as I'm concerned, things turning to chaos is gonna happen eventually, so fretting about it is pointless.
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    @Ashton - Good point. Maybe we should join in the disgruntled-ness in order to help speed this along.
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    I was thinking: if we get another civil war, Texas's independence would probably be worth dying for, but not killing for.

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    I think that we will have large scale peaceful protests, and a few youthful riots!
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Director Abbie View Post
    I was thinking: if we get another civil war, Texas's independence would probably be worth dying for, but not killing for.
    I'm sure the new army of Texas will be glad to have you in their frontlines. But as George S. Patton put it: "The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his."
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