If you can't define it simply and inclusively, the chances are it's vague bullshit. Do not describe what it looks like but the very definition.
Define a socionics term briefly
If you can't define it simply and inclusively, the chances are it's vague bullshit. Do not describe what it looks like but the very definition.
“I tell you, freedom and human rights in America are doomed. The U.S. government will lead the American people in — and the West in general — into an unbearable hell and a choking life. - Osama bin Laden
If you look at almost any Wikipedia article, it will give you the definition in the first one or two sentences. The rest is merely follow-up.
Yes, sometimes there will be complicated definitions which you'll have to break it down to other defintions. You can't explain quantum mechanics briefly without mentioning the Planck constant. If you have to use another socionics term (like the IE involved when defining a particular quadra), please define those definitions briefly too in order to build the credible concept pyramid.
“I tell you, freedom and human rights in America are doomed. The U.S. government will lead the American people in — and the West in general — into an unbearable hell and a choking life. - Osama bin Laden
There.Extroverted logic, or , is an rational, extroverted, and dynamic IM element.
Here Te is a concept based upon three underlying concepts. Namely: rational, extroverted and dynamic. In common use these are easily defined but in socionics these mean something more else than that, except the definition extroversion is very similar in both contexts since it's mostly popularized by Jung himself.Originally Posted by Absurd
“I tell you, freedom and human rights in America are doomed. The U.S. government will lead the American people in — and the West in general — into an unbearable hell and a choking life. - Osama bin Laden
You want people to pull definitions made by other people off sites?
A bike works and performs work, which means bike is Te. I use the bike, I'm Te as well.
And Ti is?
“I tell you, freedom and human rights in America are doomed. The U.S. government will lead the American people in — and the West in general — into an unbearable hell and a choking life. - Osama bin Laden
What not works.
interprets logical constitution subjectively (relational thought function)
interprets logical constitution objectively (object function)
interprets conceptualizations subjectively (relational thought function)
interprets conceptualizations objectively (object function)
interprets ethical valuation subjectively (relational thought function)
interprets ethical valuation objectively (object function)
interprets sensory experience subjectively (relational thought function)
interprets sensory experience objectively (object function)
Then that's what students should take from it before attempting to wrap it around their thumb.
i agree with you about the concepts. i just remember reading stuff like that when i was new and it might as well have been in chinese.
i wonder if people just always have to start on the wrong foot with behavioralism and then work their way backwards, since things like "interpreting conceptualizations subjectively" make absolutely no sense when you have zero context or associations involved.
Ni: intuition, essences, sizing up
Ne: random potentiality, the chaotic 'what if' behind all things
Fe: Raw pure emotions
Fi: any subjective preference
Se: any external object being static
Te: any external object that's moving
Ti: any system or pattern constructed in one own's head
Si: any subjective sensation (I'd agrue that an over-indulgences in Si or problems with it relates to hedonism that gets so far out of hand it harms people's sense of morality.)
oh i should add that it's not that Fi-polrs don't have subjective preferences or that Fe-polrs don't have feelings, it's that they socialize them poorly in a raw sociopathic way that harms their relationships with others. this is true for all polrs.
Eh fuck me with a stick. Nothing is really all that simple...
would you really want it to be?
truth by decree.
ps. i think concisely or succinctly was the word you were looking for.
can't argue with that logic.
Since I relate
"To the fantastic mental illness of Rationalism, hard facts are regrettable things, and to talk about them is to create them." - Francis Parker Yockey
Te, like Fe, is the dynamic relations, relative to timespace, between each point of an objective that relaties to oneself, other subjects, or other objects.
GOLD STAR YO
Fi: "that's ridiculous" according to what the person holds to be ridiculous or not, subjective evaluation of things, people, actions, etc. Judging. Judging. Casting your judgement of something static a person, "I hate them." Not "I hate my life." That's not Fi.
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Heh, does that mean you're a positivist, korpsey and what does a National Socialist have in common with the Reinin list, lungs posted?
Don't say, "capitalism."
Have to admit, nice form again.
Oh, and thanks Aquagraph for posting this thread.
Last edited by Absurd; 10-24-2012 at 09:12 PM.
Socionics experts my arse.
opprimere
relationes
imaginatio
tempus
profitere
logicus
spatium
emotio
The end is nigh
French fries, I went to see animals in zoo, full Moon, desk.
Angry couches, WHY ARE YOU PULLING MY HAIR
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
Couch is positivist so it needs mathematical measurements of the number of your hair you left while rubbing it with you microphone. Don't hate on socionics and philosophy.
As abstract and non-tangible as it sounds, I actually find it funny.
Last edited by Absurd; 10-24-2012 at 10:29 PM.
Yes but the intricate sociocultural context inherent in the conceptual relations between "couch," "pulling," and "hair" must be considered deeply for one to make any sense, for at least one cat or dog, and a sitting appliance of some reasonable volume relative to the observer's physical-emotional self-perception would be necessary in the historical conditioning experiences of eye of said observer for this complex juxtaposition to hold any theoretical weight; otherwise one would doubtless see the combination as absurd and feel a slight revulsion at the gap in extant relevant meaning.
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
lol
Intuition - concepts
sensation - experience
thinking - reason
feeling - influence
extroverts focus on creating and imposing one of those four categories onto the world in some way (objective).
introverts focus on creating and molding one of those four categories purely in or by their minds in some way (subjective).
edit: err...I guess that's not even considered socionics. but I think it's more concise.
Off the top of my head:
F - cognitive and emotional impact on the psyche
T - cognitive structural 'grammar'
N - ambiguous, generalized impressions
S - concrete, specific perceiving
Static - relatively consistent
Dynamic - systemic interactive
Xe - things, people, events
Xi - relationships between things, people, events
Edited to add:
Such that, for example,
Te deals with the systemic interactive structures between things, people, and events
Aided by either the concrete perceiving of the specific interactions
Or by some generalized impressions of the interactions
IEE 649 sx/sp cp
Your best friend is Karl Popper in this regard, then and not some anti-materialist Yockey.
Now, this is going to be funny, I can already see that.
You, sir, are a sham and a cheat. I am ashamed to do business with you. Good day and goodbye.
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
How about that, namedropping is Gilly's kryptonite.
I dropped out of college. What can I say.
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
So did I.I dropped out of college. What can I say.
30 seconds of internetting would have demonstrated that your pet clown just blerfpked up an undigested linguistic clot with zero truth value on your Ben Sherman.
I don't have any business with you, as long you won't invent it, so careful with that double-edged sword, Gilly.
Wonder who's clown are you, you sticky particle of glue? I do know, you're everyone's pet clown around here, running, bumping and hiding behind any one who's got more balls than you, you slag midget.
So ye, answer the question.
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