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    If you can't define it simply and inclusively, the chances are it's vague bullshit. Do not describe what it looks like but the very definition.
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    If you look at almost any Wikipedia article, it will give you the definition in the first one or two sentences. The rest is merely follow-up.

    Yes, sometimes there will be complicated definitions which you'll have to break it down to other defintions. You can't explain quantum mechanics briefly without mentioning the Planck constant. If you have to use another socionics term (like the IE involved when defining a particular quadra), please define those definitions briefly too in order to build the credible concept pyramid.
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    Extroverted logic, or , is an rational, extroverted, and dynamic IM element.
    There.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Absurd View Post
    There.
    Here Te is a concept based upon three underlying concepts. Namely: rational, extroverted and dynamic. In common use these are easily defined but in socionics these mean something more else than that, except the definition extroversion is very similar in both contexts since it's mostly popularized by Jung himself.
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    TE IS WHAT WORKS

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquagraph View Post
    Here Te is a concept based upon three underlying concepts. Namely: rational, extroverted and dynamic. In common use these are easily defined but in socionics these mean something more else than that, except the definition extroversion is very similar in both contexts since it's mostly popularized by Jung himself.
    You want people to pull definitions made by other people off sites?

    Quote Originally Posted by lungs View Post
    TE IS WHAT WORKS
    A bike works and performs work, which means bike is Te. I use the bike, I'm Te as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lungs View Post
    TE IS WHAT WORKS
    And Ti is?
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    What not works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquagraph View Post
    And Ti is?
    what is coherent?

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    interprets logical constitution subjectively (relational thought function)
    interprets logical constitution objectively (object function)

    interprets conceptualizations subjectively (relational thought function)
    interprets conceptualizations objectively (object function)

    interprets ethical valuation subjectively (relational thought function)
    interprets ethical valuation objectively (object function)

    interprets sensory experience subjectively (relational thought function)
    interprets sensory experience objectively (object function)

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    Poli that is hardly "simple"

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    Then that's what students should take from it before attempting to wrap it around their thumb.

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    i agree with you about the concepts. i just remember reading stuff like that when i was new and it might as well have been in chinese.

    i wonder if people just always have to start on the wrong foot with behavioralism and then work their way backwards, since things like "interpreting conceptualizations subjectively" make absolutely no sense when you have zero context or associations involved.

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    Ni: intuition, essences, sizing up
    Ne: random potentiality, the chaotic 'what if' behind all things
    Fe: Raw pure emotions
    Fi: any subjective preference
    Se: any external object being static
    Te: any external object that's moving
    Ti: any system or pattern constructed in one own's head
    Si: any subjective sensation (I'd agrue that an over-indulgences in Si or problems with it relates to hedonism that gets so far out of hand it harms people's sense of morality.)

    oh i should add that it's not that Fi-polrs don't have subjective preferences or that Fe-polrs don't have feelings, it's that they socialize them poorly in a raw sociopathic way that harms their relationships with others. this is true for all polrs.

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    Eh fuck me with a stick. Nothing is really all that simple...

    would you really want it to be?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquagraph View Post
    And Ti is?
    truth by decree.

    ps. i think concisely or succinctly was the word you were looking for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by labster View Post
    truth by decree.


    lmao

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    fe = retardation

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    can't argue with that logic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by labster View Post
    truth by decree.
    Since I relate and to the respective epistemic assumptions of rationalism and empiricism, this comment was quite amusing and brought the following quote from an LIE to mind:

    "To the fantastic mental illness of Rationalism, hard facts are regrettable things, and to talk about them is to create them." - Francis Parker Yockey

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    Te, like Fe, is the dynamic relations, relative to timespace, between each point of an objective that relaties to oneself, other subjects, or other objects.

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    Fi: "that's ridiculous" according to what the person holds to be ridiculous or not, subjective evaluation of things, people, actions, etc. Judging. Judging. Casting your judgement of something static a person, "I hate them." Not "I hate my life." That's not Fi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by k0rpsy View Post
    Since I relate Ti and Te to the respective epistemic assumptions of rationalism and empiricism, this comment was quite amusing and brought the following quote from an LIE to mind:

    "To the fantastic mental illness of Rationalism, hard facts are regrettable things, and to talk about them is to create them." - Francis Parker Yockey
    Heh, does that mean you're a positivist, korpsey and what does a National Socialist have in common with the Reinin list, lungs posted?

    Don't say, "capitalism."

    Have to admit, nice form again.

    Oh, and thanks Aquagraph for posting this thread.
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    Socionics experts my arse.

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    opprimere
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    Quote Originally Posted by ArchonAlarion View Post
    opprimere
    relationes
    imaginatio
    tempus
    profitere
    logicus
    spatium
    emotio
    French fries, I went to see animals in zoo, full Moon, desk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Absurd View Post
    French fries, I went to see animals in zoo, full Moon, desk.
    Angry couches, WHY ARE YOU PULLING MY HAIR
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    Angry couches, WHY ARE YOU PULLING MY HAIR
    Couch is positivist so it needs mathematical measurements of the number of your hair you left while rubbing it with you microphone. Don't hate on socionics and philosophy.

    As abstract and non-tangible as it sounds, I actually find it funny.
    Last edited by Absurd; 10-24-2012 at 11:29 PM.

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    Yes but the intricate sociocultural context inherent in the conceptual relations between "couch," "pulling," and "hair" must be considered deeply for one to make any sense, for at least one cat or dog, and a sitting appliance of some reasonable volume relative to the observer's physical-emotional self-perception would be necessary in the historical conditioning experiences of eye of said observer for this complex juxtaposition to hold any theoretical weight; otherwise one would doubtless see the combination as absurd and feel a slight revulsion at the gap in extant relevant meaning.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArchonAlarion View Post
    opprimere
    relationes
    imaginatio
    tempus
    profitere
    logicus
    spatium
    emotio
    lol

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    Intuition - concepts
    sensation - experience
    thinking - reason
    feeling - influence

    extroverts focus on creating and imposing one of those four categories onto the world in some way (objective).
    introverts focus on creating and molding one of those four categories purely in or by their minds in some way (subjective).

    edit: err...I guess that's not even considered socionics. but I think it's more concise.

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    Off the top of my head:

    F - cognitive and emotional impact on the psyche
    T - cognitive structural 'grammar'
    N - ambiguous, generalized impressions
    S - concrete, specific perceiving

    Static - relatively consistent
    Dynamic - systemic interactive

    Xe - things, people, events
    Xi - relationships between things, people, events


    Edited to add:
    Such that, for example,
    Te deals with the systemic interactive structures between things, people, and events
    Aided by either the concrete perceiving of the specific interactions
    Or by some generalized impressions of the interactions
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tackk View Post
    Intuition - concepts
    sensation - experience
    thinking - reason
    feeling - influence
    Wow. I suck at experience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    Yes but the intricate sociocultural context inherent in the conceptual relations between "couch," "pulling," and "hair" must be considered deeply for one to make any sense, for at least one cat or dog, and a sitting appliance of some reasonable volume relative to the observer's physical-emotional self-perception would be necessary in the historical conditioning experiences of eye of said observer for this complex juxtaposition to hold any theoretical weight; otherwise one would doubtless see the combination as absurd and feel a slight revulsion at the gap in extant relevant meaning.
    Your best friend is Karl Popper in this regard, then and not some anti-materialist Yockey.

    Now, this is going to be funny, I can already see that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Absurd View Post
    Your best friend is Karl Popper in this regard, then and not some anti-materialist Yockey.

    Now, this is going to be funny, I can already see that.
    You, sir, are a sham and a cheat. I am ashamed to do business with you. Good day and goodbye.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by k0rpsy View Post
    How about that, namedropping is Gilly's kryptonite.
    I dropped out of college. What can I say.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    I dropped out of college. What can I say.
    So did I.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    I dropped out of college. What can I say.
    30 seconds of internetting would have demonstrated that your pet clown just blerfpked up an undigested linguistic clot with zero truth value on your Ben Sherman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    You, sir, are a sham and a cheat. I am ashamed to do business with you. Good day and goodbye.
    I don't have any business with you, as long you won't invent it, so careful with that double-edged sword, Gilly.

    Quote Originally Posted by k0rpsy View Post
    How about that, namedropping is Gilly's kryptonite.
    Quote Originally Posted by k0rpsy View Post
    30 seconds of internetting would have demonstrated that your pet clown just blerfpked up an undigested linguistic clot with zero truth value on your Ben Sherman.
    Wonder who's clown are you, you sticky particle of glue? I do know, you're everyone's pet clown around here, running, bumping and hiding behind any one who's got more balls than you, you slag midget.

    So ye, answer the question.

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