an Fi language

[ashlesha]

this is described as a language for women but it made me think of how unexpressable Fi can sometimes be and i think these words would exist in an Fi-dominated culture

http://www.mentalfloss.com/blogs/archives/147743



1. áayáa – mysterious love, not yet known to be welcome or not
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2. áazh – love for one sexually desired at one time, but not now
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3. ab – love for one liked but not respected
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4. ad – love for one respected but not liked
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5. am – love for one related by blood
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6. raláadá – non-perceiver, one who fails to perceive
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7. raláadálh – non-perceiver, one who fails to perceive deliberately and with evil intent
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8. dehena – friendliness, despite negative circumstances
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9. dena – friendliness for good reason
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10. dina – friendliness for no reason
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11. dona – friendliness for foolish reasons
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12. duna – friendliness for bad reasons
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13. doóledosh – pain or loss that comes as a relief by virtue of ending the anticipation of its coming
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14. lóda – to be pregnant wearily
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15. lalewida – to be pregnant joyfully
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16. radíidin – non-holiday, a time allegedly a holiday but actually so much a burden because of work and preparations that it is a dreaded occasion; especially when there are too many guests and none of them help
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17. rahobeth – non-neighbor, one who lives nearby but does not fulfill a neighbor’s role (not necessarily pejorative)
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18. ralorolo – non-thunder, much talk and commotion from one (or more) with no real knowledge of what they’re talking about or trying to do
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19. ramine – to refrain from asking, out of courtesy or kindness
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20. thehena – joy despite negative circumstances
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21. wohosheni – a word meaning the opposite of alienation; to feel joined to, part of someone or something without reservations or barriers
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22. rathom – non-pillow, one who lures another to trust and rely on them but has no intention of following through, a “lean on me so I can step aside and let you fall” person
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23. raduth – to non-use, to deliberately deprive someone of any useful function in the world, as in enforced retirement or when a human being is kept as a plaything or a pet
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24. zhaláad – the act of relinquishing a cherished/comforting/familiar illusion or frame of perception

[Taknamay]

Only the ones that describe pregnancy really seem sex-specific to me. I suppose this could be an Fi language.

Also, "when a human being is kept as a plaything or a pet"

[Korpsy Knievel]

What's interesting is that not only do these terms provide definitions for certain ethical/affective things and states, but they also give a framework for further examination of the already-covered concepts and sentiments, plus a basis for cultivating a similarly-inspired vernacular. This is because the verbal-symbolic representation of phenomena lends them a greater degree of coherent identity, a tangibility to the touch of the mind, so that they are more intelligible and rationally manipulable as abstract, inter-relating objects. And by this means of assigning names and meaning, the mind establishes dominion over what it perceives.

[Kalinoche buenanoche]

dat's some nasty Black Speech there.

[JWC3]

I was expecting something that was functionally different from our own language rather than something with a different vernacular. Now that I think about it I have no idea how one would create a language that functioned solely based on connections. Latin might be close I suppose. Something with base words and numerous prefixes and suffixes.

A spider web? Something where meaning was crafted based on the connections made. Sorta like verbal lego pieces, maybe?

[Beautiful sky]

Lungs, would you say that this leans more towards FiSe, in general than Fi Ne. Although I see a lot of Fi, I relate to is less.

[ashlesha]

Lungs, would you say that this leans more towards FiSe, in general than Fi Ne. Although I see a lot of Fi, I relate to is less.

not sure, but I could see an ni valuing flavor in 13 and maybe 22 or 24, so maybe. I was actually curious how different fi valuers might respond with more or less resonance with it.

[Beautiful sky]

Well for one thing it's less universal; I would say "friendliness" rather than "friendliness for no reason" the "no reason part" gives something more concrete to the word "friendliness" hence really bringing the general down to something more specific, which is "for a reason" when to me "friendliness" would be a generally applied rule of law, so to say.

[ashlesha]

hmm I had thought that it was fi in the dominant position that would refine and add qualifiers like that to sentiments with broad strokes, adding more nuance to them.

[JWC3]

hmm I had thought that it was fi in the dominant position that would refine and add qualifiers like that to sentiments with broad strokes, adding more nuance to them.

Well on the one hand this is incredibly flattering and I am inclined to agree with it on that merit alone, on the other hand; Shakespeare.

[ashlesha]

Well on the one hand this is incredibly flattering and I am inclined to agree with it on that merit alone, on the other hand; Shakespeare.

i'm not sure what you're getting at. i'm not talking about writing ability. i'm talking about mentalization.

[FDG]

That´s very interesting, but I also see a lot of abstractedness in some of the definitions (I would guess that a very Ni INFp could also somewhat relate?).

[ashlesha]

That´s very interesting, but I also see a lot of abstractedness in some of the definitions (I would guess that a very Ni INFp could also somewhat relate?).

the perception ones? yeah maybe. (well i wouldn't say only fi types could relate, either, just that it seems to come from an fi type of mindset)

[JWC3]

i'm not sure what you're getting at. i'm not talking about writing ability. i'm talking about mentalization.

Well, I hate him, don't get me wrong his complete and utter lack of stylistic subtlety bug the living hell out of me. Furthermore I abhor the fact that his entire life was a cash grab, he was essentially the Ke$ha of his time. That being said the emotions he writes into his characters are fairly nuanced at times. Overt, but nuanced. He paid a lot of attention to how he wrote feeling. I'm inclined to think that he wouldn't pay attention to that level of emotional detail unless it was one he experienced practically as well.

That in mind, what I'm getting at is if Shakespeare wasn't some alpha/beta ethical type I quit at socionics. Basically, the guy had emotional nuances but was not an Fi valuing type.

[Radio]

Well for one thing it's less universal; I would say "friendliness" rather than "friendliness for no reason" the "no reason part" gives something more concrete to the word "friendliness" hence really bringing the general down to something more specific, which is "for a reason" when to me "friendliness" would be a generally applied rule of law, so to say.

this is quite insightful. /pleasantly surprised

[Creepy-pokeball]

14.15.14.15.14.15.14.15.14.15.14.15.14.15 = Every week of my life.

[ashlesha]

Well, I hate him, don't get me wrong his complete and utter lack of stylistic subtlety bug the living hell out of me. Furthermore I abhor the fact that his entire life was a cash grab, he was essentially the Ke$ha of his time. That being said the emotions he writes into his characters are fairly nuanced at times. Overt, but nuanced. He paid a lot of attention to how he wrote feeling. I'm inclined to think that he wouldn't pay attention to that level of emotional detail unless it was one he experienced practically as well.

That in mind, what I'm getting at is if Shakespeare wasn't some alpha/beta ethical type I quit at socionics. Basically, the guy had emotional nuances but was not an Fi valuing type.

okay, gotcha. id functions. but in this particular thread the emotional nuance which is more typically associated with fi is the focus so that's where i was going with it.

and i'm not iei, if this is some passive aggressive thing knock it off please <3

[ashlesha]

this is quite insightful. /pleasantly surprised

interrrresting.

[golden]

I guess it could be Fi stuff, but that might not have occurred to me if you hadn't addressed it. It just makes me think that this is a culture in which women's social strength hinges on understanding nuances like these. I can relate strongly to a lot of the concepts. It puts me in mind of a book called "Guests of the Sheik," read long ago, in which a U.S. woman ethnographer lives with women behind the scenes in Iraq. She told a story that showed the women not as disempowered, per se, but living very apart from the men within their own culture and wielding power within that sphere.

[ashlesha]

I guess it could be Fi stuff, but that might not have occurred to me if you hadn't addressed it. It just makes me think that this is a culture in which women's social strength hinges on understanding nuances like these. I can relate strongly to a lot of the concepts. It puts me in mind of a book called "Guests of the Sheik," read long ago, in which a U.S. woman ethnographer lives with women behind the scenes in Iraq. She told a story that showed the women not as disempowered, per se, but living very apart from the men within their own culture and wielding power within that sphere.

i hadn't really associated it with social power or strength, though i think the nuances can be practically useful. food for thought.

[Pa3s]

25. Schadenfreude – you laugh your ass off because someone else is fucked

[JWC3]

okay, gotcha. id functions. but in this particular thread the emotional nuance which is more typically associated with fi is the focus so that's where i was going with it.

and i'm not iei, if this is some passive aggressive thing knock it off please <3

Well, no it's not. I'm not attempting to retype you in any sense. You know what I think and if I wanted to talk to you about your type I have my IM client open at this very instant.

[Korpsy Knievel]

25. Schadenfreude – you laugh your ass off because someone else is fucked

26. Sehnsucht - An ambiguous and unattainable longing; a sense of something missing but unnameable.

[Kalinoche buenanoche]

27. arschlochsucht - An ambiguous and unattainable longing; a sense of having eaten something and waiting for your inner self to bring it back to the light.


damnit,i think i'm about to take up drinking beers likeabitch and trying to make fwends with the forum infjs

[JWC3]

I guess it could be Fi stuff, but that might not have occurred to me if you hadn't addressed it. It just makes me think that this is a culture in which women's social strength hinges on understanding nuances like these. I can relate strongly to a lot of the concepts. It puts me in mind of a book called "Guests of the Sheik," read long ago, in which a U.S. woman ethnographer lives with women behind the scenes in Iraq. She told a story that showed the women not as disempowered, per se, but living very apart from the men within their own culture and wielding power within that sphere.

I've been thinking about this a bit actually. Social strength based on gender. To me it seems that either sex needs to assume what is assumed to be the innate characteristics of their sex to possess social power as well as those that are ascribed to the other sex. Socially influential women must not only be empathetic but practically influential as well. Socially influential men must be empathetic as well as practical.

Actually this idea is not entirely my own. In theatre there is an idea that powerful men should act effeminate. I'm sort of trying to practically rationalize this masculine and effeminate mixture.