the arguments for see and beta nf both make sense to me. I'm happy to claim him in gamma but I'm not quite intellectually convinced.
make your cases here.
not the most obvious Se type but i can sort of buy esfp vibe wise. no hard feelings.
He likes to initiate pointed dialogue with people it seems. He likes to talk directly to individuals rather than make general statements or ask general questions. Not sure if that's relevant to type, but it's a pattern I've noted in his behavior with people. He doesn't really enter into a group so much as trying to talk to one person at a time.
Moonlight will fall
Winter will end
Harvest will come
Your heart will mend
El oh el.
piiiraaate piiiraate get yourself a piiiraaate
Very likely SEE. I've also observed what @munenori brought up.
He is quite in your face about things.
ILE; INTP
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I can see him as Fi-SEE as I find IEIs are generally more laid back and only engaging or confrontational once in a while as opposed to frequently. I read the Fi subtype of SEE and it seems to fit him very well from what I know of him: http://www.wikisocion.org/en/index.p...e=SEE_subtypes
“We cannot change the cards we are dealt, just how we play the hand.” Randy Pausch
Ne-IEE
6w7 sp/sx
6w7-9w1-4w5
I like SEE for reasons you already know.
i wouldn't say i unambiguously think he is SEE but its far from an outrageous suggestion to me.
Only thing I can think of this being related to is constructivism,Originally Posted by munenori2
There are other people I can think of who do that (maritsa and uniden come to mind) But, to make a case, enough points can probably be found for emotivist as well that it's not so clear-cut.
Last edited by squark; 08-27-2012 at 10:40 PM. Reason: clarity
I think SEE as well, keep that bugger out of my face.
Where the hell did the pic KI posted go>?
He responds well to Ti: grows hysterical but honest. IEI.
lol good god i love scott disick. He's like my idol
positivist feeling types, if the IEI isn't terribly Ni there isn't much difference, so it's not really important
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
SEE is a not so good typing for him. He has a pretty obvious predisposition for drama.
Easy Day
This thread was pretty much what I was expecting, sadly enough. If someone can make a straightforward case for being Ni ego, please do so, I have yet to hear one. The main reasons people type me Beta NF to my knowledge is the resemblance to other Beta NF's such as Crazedrat, Gilly, NBS etc, by virtue of my self -typing and looking for reasons to justify it, and that I seem 'Fe', edgy, and dramatic. No one (and I have asked) has yet made a case for me being Ni leading, or even ego. The resemblances drawn to other Beta NF's are superficial at best, and I find it hard to see how it's related to any sort of functional use. I've talked to quite a few and the differences seem to be pretty substantial - primarily there's a disconnect in the perceptual channel of Ni. The most consistent traits people have seen in me over time are Extroversion, Fe, and Se. As Kassie said, it is most likely that I fit into the passionate communication style group - EIE would fit better in this one way, but overall if chosen between the two, IEI>EIE. SEE reconciles everything together nicely, and I've had more than a few 'a-ha' moments reading the descriptions. That being said, I've been sure before. I have my case for SEE which I'm not looking to justify, but I am looking for more substantial opinions on Beta NF, particularly on valuing, and ego function input.
<Crispy> what subt doesnt understand is that a healthy reaction to "FUCK YOU" isand not
Outward signs/arguments point SEE...but the voice in my head says the same thing as starfall
BRRRAP
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
i'm kinda let down, i made this thread because there was some interesting conversation in chat and i thought some arguments of equal caliber could be made in a thread to be looked at all in one place but it seems like nobody wants to bother. forum is going downhill and all that. not that i really blame anyone.
i don't really see him as being more predisposed toward drama than the average 16types denizen. he's actually pretty quiet in most conflict situations in threads except for the occasional "you're all fucktards" sort of remark lol.
How and why are SEEs never predisposed to drama anyway?
Reason is a whore.
No controversy - no fun
Um, no.
Easy Day
did I miss something? don't "um, no" me lol.
edit: ftr i didn't make this thread to champion any particular typing, neither beta nf or see are unfavorable in terms of what i type myself. i think that people lately have been taking see for granted since he self-types that way now and it would probably be more politic to leave the subject alone. it was an argument in favor of iei in chat that made me go "hmm" and decide to make this thread in hopes of hearing equally persuasive ideas in either direction. so there's no need to get all sassy or prove me "wrong."
You have to kiss with korpsey to be SEE, Pirate.
He uses an ancient socionics dictionary. No wonder.
Tadahhhhhhhhhhhh. Anyways, I have no clue for ya Pi.
SEE.
I can understand why some people might suspect IEI, he seems to initiate drama in an almost Beta NF fashion, but he uses aggression jokingly, in an Se-ego fashion, very similar to jet, imho.
Pirate got mad at me once because I didn't address him specifically. Beta NF's just seem much more emotionally strong to me, whereas Pirate just seems like he wants people to joke with. He strikes me as very impulsive. His crudeness, abruptness, and willingness to 'tell it how it is' all strike me as more Gamma, non-emotionally, whereas Beta seems more personal to me.
So I vote SEE.
Seconded re: similarities between Jet and Pirate
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
For those that think he is IEI, could you give an example of how he uses Ni?
I already gave an example of how I perceive him to use Se, his aggressive joking nature with people. I really don't see anything intuitive about him, and he strikes me as distinctly different than Starfall, truck, or other IEI's. How do you think Pirate uses Ni?
I'm smart again. Korpsey, you do not need to ask Maritsa for more SEEs anymore. They're under your nose.
This is what interested me the most about what you said. Why does EIE fit better, but you prefer IEI?
ILE; INTP
5w6 so; rcUe|I|;
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