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    Default yr typing of forum member reinin dichotomies

    here is a list, do it.


    07490
    1981slater
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    Agarina
    aivonua nainini
    aixelsyd
    anndelise
    April
    Ashton
    Bardia
    Bionicgerbil
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    DJ Arendee
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    Director Abbie
    Director Kam
    discojoe
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    Eliza Thomason
    EyeSeeCold
    Ezra
    ephemeros/Bolt
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    FDG
    fenryrr
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    Galen
    Gilly
    glam
    Gravolez
    GuavaDrunk
    HandiAce
    HaveLucidDreamz
    Haley
    heath
    Herzy
    hkkmr
    InvisibleJim
    Jadae
    Jarno
    Jennifer
    jessica129
    Jimbean
    Jinxi
    Jonathan
    JRiddy
    JWC3
    Khola
    Kim
    krаe
    Krig The Viking
    labcoat
    Lemontrees
    Loki
    lungs
    Maritsa33
    Mechman
    mercutio
    Minde
    MisteryNi
    Morcheeba
    Mountain Dew
    MysticSonic
    nanashi
    NewBorn STAR
    Octopuslove
    Olga
    pa3s
    Phltalate
    pianosinger
    pinkcanary
    Pirate
    poli
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    RyeneAstraelis
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    sarinana
    scapegrace
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    siuntal
    Slacker
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    Subterranean
    thehotelambush
    Taknamay
    Tcaud
    Trevor
    Typhon
    Uniden
    Uwace
    Vero
    Woofwoofl
    WorkaholicsAnon
    Jenna
    Joy
    Khamelion
    niffweed17/aestrivex
    ragnar
    Last edited by lump; 08-25-2012 at 12:10 AM.

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    A Maritsa exercise, me likey already.

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    Add me to that list I dare you.
    Reason is a whore.

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    neat idea
    „Man can do what he wants but he cannot want what he wants.“
    – Arthur Schopenhauer

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    Quote Originally Posted by Absurd View Post
    A Maritsa exercise, me likey already.
    maritsa and i are peas in a pod.

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    Add me to that list I dare you.
    what are you talking about? >.>

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    Quote Originally Posted by lungs View Post
    maritsa and i are peas in a pod.
    Heh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lungs View Post
    what are you talking about? >.>
    I'm not on the list and felt the need to highlight it. Straightforwardness optional.
    Reason is a whore.

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    but you're on the list. you weren't before so i was teasing. whoops.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lungs View Post
    more lists please!
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    „Man can do what he wants but he cannot want what he wants.“
    – Arthur Schopenhauer

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    But...me?
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Aaaaaaaah. oic, tx
    Reason is a whore.

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    sigh.

    @Gilly you're on the list

    LISTS MAKE THEM

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    maybe people are confused. it doesn't need to be every dichotomy for every person. just what comes to mind.

    [THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE]

    07490 - positivist, yielding
    1981slater - judicious, causal-determinist
    Absurd - aristocratic
    Agarina - serious, negativist, constructivist

    [/THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE]

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    El oh el. I mean, fack it, I'm still delta on there, like on Maritsa's list - that's cool. I'm going to visit this thread and offer a thing or two.
    Last edited by Absurd; 08-24-2012 at 11:19 PM.

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    Is there any particular reason that I'm not on this list? I'm hurt.


    07490 // SEE confirm
    1981slater// SEE confirm
    Absurd // SEE confirm
    Agarina // SEE confirm
    aivonua nainini // SEE confirm
    aixelsyd // SEE confirm
    anndelise // SEE confirm
    April // SEE confirm
    Ashton // SEE confirm
    Bardia // SEE confirm
    Bionicgerbil // SEE confirm
    blackburry // SEE confirm
    Brilliand // SEE confirm
    BulletsAndDoves // SEE confirm
    CILi // SEE confirm
    Confimed // SEE confirm
    CPig // SEE confirm
    cracka // SEE confirm
    crazedrat // SEE confirm
    Crispy // SEE confirm
    DJ Arendee // SEE confirm
    Diaphanous // SEE confirm
    Director Abbie // SEE confirm
    Director Kam // SEE confirm
    discojoe // SEE confirm
    dolphin // SEE confirm
    Eliza Thomason // SEE confirm
    EyeSeeCold // SEE confirm
    Ezra // SEE confirm
    ephemeros/Bolt // SEE confirm
    Erk/Tov // SEE confirm
    esper // SEE confirm
    eunice // SEE confirm
    expat // SEE confirm
    FDG // SEE confirm
    fenryrr // SEE confirm
    FoxOnStilts // SEE confirm
    Galen // SEE confirm
    Gilly // SEE confirm
    glam // SEE confirm
    Gravolez // SEE confirm
    GuavaDrunk // SEE confirm
    HandiAce // SEE confirm
    HaveLucidDreamz // SEE confirm
    Haley // SEE confirm
    heath // SEE confirm
    Herzy // SEE confirm
    hkkmr // SEE confirm
    InvisibleJim // SEE confirm
    Jadae // SEE confirm
    Jarno // SEE confirm
    Jennifer // SEE confirm
    jessica129 // SEE confirm
    Jimbean // SEE confirm
    Jinxi // SEE confirm
    Jonathan // SEE confirm
    JRiddy // SEE confirm
    JWC3 // SEE confirm
    Khola // SEE confirm
    Kim // SEE confirm
    krаe // SEE confirm
    Krig The Viking // SEE confirm
    labcoat // SEE confirm
    Lemontrees // SEE confirm
    Loki // SEE confirm
    lungs // SEE confirm
    Maritsa33 // DEEP confirm
    Mechman // SEE confirm
    mercutio // SEE confirm
    Minde // SEE confirm
    MisteryNi // SEE confirm
    Morcheeba // SEE confirm
    Mountain Dew // SEE confirm
    MysticSonic // SEE confirm
    nanashi // SEE confirm
    NewBorn STAR // SEE confirm
    Octopuslove // SEE confirm
    Olga // SEE confirm
    pa3s // SEE confirm
    Phltalate // SEE confirm
    pianosinger // SEE confirm
    pinkcanary // SEE confirm
    Pirate // SEE confirm
    poli // SEE confirm
    Pookie // SEE confirm
    Radio // SEE confirm
    Raver // SEE confirm
    RyeneAstraelis // SEE confirm
    redbaron // SEE confirm
    Rick // SEE confirm
    Ryu // SEE confirm
    sarinana // SEE confirm
    Scarlettluxx // SEE confirm
    silverchris9 // SEE confirm
    siuntal // SEE confirm
    Slacker // SEE confirm
    Smilingeyes // SEE confirm
    squark // SEE confirm
    Somavision // SEE confirm
    Ssmall // SEE confirm
    Starfall // SEE confirm
    Subterranean // SEE confirm
    thehotelambush // SEE confirm
    Taknamay // SEE confirm
    Tcaud // SEE confirm
    Trevor // SEE confirm
    Typhon // SEE confirm
    Uniden // SEE confirm
    Uwace // SEE confirm
    Vero // SEE confirm
    Woofwoofl // ILE confirm
    WorkaholicsAnon // SEE confirm
    Jenna // SEE confirm
    Joy // SEE confirm
    Khamelion // SEE confirm
    niffweed17 // SEE confirm
    aestrivex // SEE confirm
    ragnar // SEE confirm
    Scapegrce // SEE Fuck yah
    "[Scapegrace,] I don't know how anyone can stand such a sinister and mean individual as you." - Maritsa Darmandzhyan

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    See, what I mean, lungs? Seriously, you're going to get supervised by all those SEEs now who are merry to do that.

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    i just copied from the first post of the your typing of forum members thread and i was lazy about it and its nothing personal. i'll add scapegrace but it seems pointless to keep fixing the list if nobody is going to use it anyways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by felafel View Post
    post #18 was quite orderly. imho.

    absurd: constructivist/emotivist: 50/50 imo
    ann: judicious (i don't think ann will mind? )
    Heheheh, judicious is one I have little doubt on (such a weird thing to say).
    Pathetically enough, I'm the primary decision maker in my household...



    @lungs I hope you get responses to this, as I'm still learning Reinin's dichotomies, and I think there's potential here in viewing 'subtypes'. As in...say...NeFi(a) seems primarily judicious + irrational, while NeFi (b) seems primarily emotive + aristocratic.

    Or even help figure out how a person can seem to be another type...such as perceiving a person as obstinate + objective which the viewer may associate as being SeFi...but both SeFi & NeFi share that in common.

    Since I'm still learning them, it'll be a while before I start associating more than a couple of people with reinin's dichotomies...so I can't really offer much.

    Oh wait...but in another thread I had put @Jadae as Dynamic Rational, and leaning towards Decisive for him as well.

    (sigh...why do people put such long names that one has to spell out to notify??)
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    Please add me to the list ! I want to be typed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lungs View Post
    i just copied from the first post of the your typing of forum members thread and i was lazy about it and its nothing personal. i'll add scapegrace but it seems pointless to keep fixing the list if nobody is going to use it anyways.
    but then we'll have the perfect list!

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    Quote Originally Posted by anndelise View Post
    lungs I hope you get responses to this, as I'm still learning Reinin's dichotomies, and I think there's potential here in viewing 'subtypes'. As in...say...NeFi(a) seems primarily judicious + irrational, while NeFi (b) seems primarily emotive + aristocratic.
    As long one wants to go by them and doesn't know how to start, one picks at least three of them that one is, say, certain of for herself/himself. The rest shouldn't be a terrible nuisance after some time. But I would advise practising Reinin on yourself first and only after that is out of the way on other folk. I didn't mean that someone isn't a fast learner and can't do it without it, but you get the point.

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    @Ashton, where would you put me in those dichotomies?
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    I like Ashton's approach, will make one later
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashton View Post
    Lol, poor stillborn thread. Thinking this might work better if done this way, listing people that come to mind for each who you sense exhibit said quality…

    Static - kassie, dolphin, fenryrr, Galen, labcoat, InvisibleJim, EyeSeeCold, blackburry
    Dynamic - Golden, Jadae, k0rp, siuntal, GuavaDrunk, Ashton, CPig

    Merry - Baby, Starfall, 1981slater, DJ Arendee, thePirate
    Serious - k0rp, Gravolez, Pa3s, Galen, anndelise

    Democratic - woofwoofl, Kamangir, Finale, Crispy
    Aristocratic - Starfall, strrrng, glam, Kim, Director Abbie

    Judicious - Parkster, Minde, EyeSeeCold, Director Abbie, Pa3s, anndelise, hkkmr
    Decisive - woofwoofl, dolphin, FDG, Ashton, Golden, octo, Agee, Discojoe

    Process - hkkmr, Aiss, woofwoofl, Discojoe, Ineffable, InvisibleJim
    Result - Comrade Rob, labcoat, FDG, Ashton, timewu, blackburry, strrrng

    Positivist - Pa3s, dolphin, Baby, GuavaDrunk, Finale, FDG, hkkmr
    Negativist - blackburry, Kim, k0rp, Jadae, Golden

    These left blank because I haven't developed a strong enough impression to notice them in people

    Asking -
    Declaring -

    Tactical -
    Strategic -

    Constructivist -
    Emotivist -

    Yielding -
    Obstinate -

    Carefree -
    Farsighted -

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    This way one arrives at one's self-typing: Person X being result and dynamic equals SLI, LIE, IEI and ESE. Person X can not be any other sociotype than SLI, LIE, IEI and ESE and this further marries with V-S if anyone pays any dues to that in the first place and I still do not know what is this all about. Hmm, didn't see it in its full glory yet, so I'll see.

    ...and those are just two Reinin traits.

    I mean, I can do this but do not know what is being requested here. Shall one run Reinin of say anndellise that self-types IEE as follows: static, result, etc., against, say, dynamic, process, etc.

    Hmm, I think I'm starting to get it, but need time.

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    Process - Director Abbie, hkkmr, Jadae, Joy, woofwoofl, Minde, sarinana, dolphin
    Result - strrrng, Ashton, Invisiblejim, tcaudilllg,

    Merry - Glam, starfall, Jadae, Herzy, tcaudilllg, Sarinana, Gilly, Blaze
    Serious - Ashton, Expat, Minde, Blackburry, parkster, k0rp

    Democratic - woofwoofl, invisiblejim, Bionicgoat,
    Aristocratic - strrrng, Glam, Joy, Kim, Galen

    Judicious - Bionicgoat, Director Abbie, polikujm, Joy, parkster, Minde, UDP, Blaze, hkkmr, WorkAnon, mune
    Decisive - Ashton, strrrng, cpig, Sarinana, woofwoofl, discojoe, thepirate
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    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by anndelise View Post
    ... I think there's potential here in viewing 'subtypes'. As in...say...NeFi(a) seems primarily judicious + irrational, while NeFi (b) seems primarily emotive + aristocratic.
    your observations could possibly go along with Inert and Contact subtypes, i.e.

    IEE (a) could be Inert subtype, which has enhanced base Ne, a Judicious and Irrational element
    IEE (b) could be Contact subtype, which has enhanced creative Fi. the 2nd function is a Contact function, and Contact Ethics is a characteristic of Emotivist types.

    just a thought!

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    Quote Originally Posted by glam View Post
    your observations could possibly go along with Inert and Contact subtypes, i.e.

    IEE (a) could be Inert subtype, which has enhanced base Ne, a Judicious and Irrational element
    IEE (b) could be Contact subtype, which has enhanced creative Fi. the 2nd function is a Contact function, and Contact Ethics is a characteristic of Emotivist types.

    just a thought!
    Makes sense...though I had just somewhat randomly picked the traits.
    But this would be interesting to puzzle out. Offhand, just to see how it might work....by someone who as a better clue (you)...how would the obstinate+objective one be worded similarly?

    I like puzzles. ty
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    Quote Originally Posted by Absurd View Post
    This way one arrives at one's self-typing: Person X being result and dynamic equals SLI, LIE, IEI and ESE. Person X can not be any other sociotype than SLI, LIE, IEI and ESE and this further marries with V-S if anyone pays any dues to that in the first place and I still do not know what is this all about. Hmm, didn't see it in its full glory yet, so I'll see.

    ...and those are just two Reinin traits.

    I mean, I can do this but do not know what is being requested here. Shall one run Reinin of say anndellise that self-types IEE as follows: static, result, etc., against, say, dynamic, process, etc.

    Hmm, I think I'm starting to get it, but need time.
    Even though the reinin traits, in certain combinations, correspond to certain typings, not every person will obviously or 'loudly' show every trait. From an observer's viewpoint, maybe only a couple of the traits will be obvious, while some of the traits will be 'not sure'. Like when I wrote my post in Jadae's type thread recently. The one's that seemed apparant to me were the dynamic and rational traits. And I thought maybe the decisive and subjective ones...but I wasn't sure about them because they weren't as obvious. And the rest of the traits I couldn't make a decision on at all.

    To me, it's sorta like the difference between approaching with a type in mind first...vs approaching with reinin traits first. Or...as my personal preference, mentally approaching reinin as if it is a different typology system.
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    some people that come to mind; not exhaustive—

    Yielding: bionicgerbil
    Obstinate: anndelise, aestrivex

    Merry/Subjectivist: Aquagraph, octo, redbaron
    Serious/Objectivist: Minde, k0rpsey

    Positivist: FDG, redbaron
    Negativist: lungs, labster, Gilly

    Democratic: hkkmr, woofwoofl
    Aristocratic: Absurd, strrrng, Galen

    Judicious: munenori2, Foxonstilts
    Decisive: Starfall, woofwoofl, Ashton

    Asking: dolphin, lungs
    Declaring: FDG, k0rpsey

    Constructivist: hkkmr, Olga
    Emotivist: woofwoofl



    pretty sure of in myself—

    Merry/Subjectivist, Aristocratic, Yielding, Positivist, Asking, Emotivist

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    Quote Originally Posted by anndelise View Post
    Even though the reinin traits, in certain combinations, correspond to certain typings[...]
    They do and they have to from a purely mathematical standpoint. Any kind of deviation results in, well, total breakdown of Model A/person's type.

    [...]not every person will obviously or 'loudly' show every trait. From an observer's viewpoint, maybe only a couple of the traits will be obvious, while some of the traits will be 'not sure'.


    To me, it's sorta like the difference between approaching with a type in mind first...vs approaching with reinin traits first. Or...as my personal preference, mentally approaching reinin as if it is a different typology system.
    It's the same product to me with only one difference - former is a finished product, latter a product being produced.

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    i guess no-one has any opinions on me huh..
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    Quote Originally Posted by WorkaholicsAnon View Post
    i guess no-one has any opinions on me huh..
    when I started confusing you and fenryrr, I had to pretty much toss out any observations I had of you because I couldn't trust anymore which were of you and which fenryrr.
    From what I am sure is of you, I'd say ethical, possibly emotivist.

    sorry for not providing much.
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    That leaves you with IEE, SEI, SEE, and IEI, WA. Choice is yours. Hahaha.

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    This:
    Quote Originally Posted by Absurd View Post
    They do and they have to from a purely mathematical standpoint. Any kind of deviation results in, well, total breakdown of Model A/person's type.
    ....
    It's the same product to me with only one difference - former is a finished product, latter a product being produced.
    And your post taking what I said to WA...
    Suggests we have different approaches/views regarding this thread.
    Perhaps our different approaches in this regard could be explained by Carefree(+Ethical) vs Farsighted+Logical?
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    Quote Originally Posted by anndelise View Post
    when I started confusing you and fenryrr, I had to pretty much toss out any observations I had of you because I couldn't trust anymore which were of you and which fenryrr.
    From what I am sure is of you, I'd say ethical, possibly emotivist.

    sorry for not providing much.
    np that helps... i'm sort of unfamiliar as to how the reinins manifest. Other than maybe merry vs serious. and introtim vs extratim.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Absurd View Post
    That leaves you with IEE, SEI, SEE, and IEI, WA. Choice is yours. Hahaha.
    That's pretty cool.. one from each quadra!
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    Quote Originally Posted by anndelise View Post
    Perhaps our different approaches in this regard could be explained by Carefree(+Ethical) vs Farsighted+Logical?
    Well, I come bearing many gifts but I'm in a hurry right now. Interesting vision, though.

    Later.

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