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    I've been reading The art of War by Sun Tzu and SLI makes perfect sense for him. Discuss.


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    Sun Tzu is SLE imo, the purpose of art of war is unity thru force and discipline.

    His probably most famous practitioners are Mao Tse Tung, Bruce Lee, Qin Shi Huang, all who I type beta ST. The book was written in a time of chaos about how to bring about the end of division and conflict, thru the unification of divided peoples thru the use of force.

    IMO, beta quadra, esp the irrational betas exemplifies this role socially.

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    Art of War is one of my favorites; always thought it was all about the Ti.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hkkmr View Post
    Sun Tzu is SLE imo, the purpose of art of war is unity thru force and discipline.

    His probably most famous practitioners are Mao Tse Tung, Bruce Lee, Qin Shi Huang, all who I type beta ST. The book was written in a time of chaos about how to bring about the end of division and conflict, thru the unification of divided peoples thru the use of force.

    IMO, beta quadra, esp the irrational betas exemplifies this role socially.
    agree with everything said
    I would say that ethically you are still supposed to act as if you have unilateral responsibility; but simultaneously you have to be able to see the other as a fully autonomous, free, aware person.

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    I always thought Sun Tzu was LSI, but SLE isn't a bad guess; I doubt we could ever really meaningfully distinguish, but Beta ST seems pretty certain IMO.
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    The book focuses on strategy and thus he can't be LSI because it is a tactical type according to Renin dichotomies. Both SLE and SLI are strategic types and both are strong on Ti.
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    beta st

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    Maybe it's the direct nature of Chinese when it gets translated into English, but LSI sounds better than SLI. Rules and power and stuff.
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    SLE then. Reminds me of Shukov, who was a great general loyal to the institutions.
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    I believe the case for Sun Tzu being ILI can also be set up.

    *His work is essentially the compilation of battlefield strategies and wisdom (somewhat like Solomon's proverbs, except for war)
    *The emphasis is not merely on rules although it is presented that way -> the rules are just the basis (maybe Ti-demonstrative)
    *Rather he emphasizes heavily that victory is obtained through imperceptible means, spying, misdirection, and mystery (Ni + Te)
    *He provides many strategies for various situations and evaluates their effectiveness (e.g. various methods of attacking by fire; course of action on various terrain etc.)
    *There is definitely Se involved due to the direct relation to war and conquest (hence not Si)
    *However the tone and content suggests caution, knowledge, and right timing in its approach to victory as opposed to strength, willpower and determination (the Ni side of the coin)

    Just an opinion.

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    zhukov


    “All warfare is based on deception. Hence, when we are able to attack, we must seem unable; when using our forces, we must appear inactive; when we are near, we must make the enemy believe we are far away; when far away, we must make him believe we are near.”

    “In the midst of chaos, there is also opportunity”

    “So in war, the way is to avoid what is strong, and strike at what is weak.”

    “Thus the expert in battle moves the enemy, and is not moved by him.”

    "Move swift as the Wind and closely-formed as the Wood. Attack like the Fire and be still as the Mountain.”

    **** similes/metaphors of behavior rooted in simple elements mentioned for their energetic/kinetic qualities > Se natural world


    “Engage people with what they expect; it is what they are able to discern and confirms their projections. It settles them into predictable patterns of response, occupying their minds while you wait for the extraordinary moment — that which they cannot anticipate.”

    **** obvious Ni valuing in last quote -- not SLI
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    This guy may not have even have existed, but based on the book, SLE is more likely than LSI if only because many of the stratagems are contradictory with each other. ( I've never understood why it is so highly regarded).
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