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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ren%C3%A9_Descartes

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    You have to be kidding me, that is, you have to have a completely skewed view of socionics, Maritsa. Oh well, it's socionics.

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    This is a really weird typing. :s

    Descartes was an unproblematic INTj imho, to the extent that his brand of rationalism I take to be epitome of Alpha Ti.

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    Looks like JWC3 is SEE-LII in Aleksei's vision of socionics. Anyhow, SEE descriptions ought to be re-written to fit people from now on and his famous lines like the mind is a software program running in a piece of computer hardware called the brain, and cogito ergo sum incorporated in them.

    Plus it is going to hasten my literary genius and deliver the book of books on socionics earlier than I thought.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Radio View Post
    This is a really weird typing. :s

    Descartes was an unproblematic INTj imho, to the extent that his brand of rationalism I take to be epitome of Alpha Ti.

    Well, I do find nothing of use in what he's said. Perhaps I am mislabeling my disinterest as that of communicating with an identical when conflictor relations may be a better indication of how I veiw him. I'll look back over his discourse on method.
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    I concede, SEE is incorrect.
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    Yeah... I'ma go be embarrassed someplace now.
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    Rene Descartes was a big let down to me. After years of hearing his name quoted abstractly and/or being referenced, i was expecting him to say some profound stuff.

    But after reading about him, it was just meh. How do i prove my existence? I had a thought, and therefore am thinking! It's objectively and deductively proven! MEH. Not really. It's a subjective conclusion, and i feel that for something that's clearly subjective, there's alot more leeway to add in insight or wisdom without being inaccurate. His most famous quote strikes a resounding "D'uh" in my spirit.
    I would say that ethically you are still supposed to act as if you have unilateral responsibility; but simultaneously you have to be able to see the other as a fully autonomous, free, aware person.

    Medicalizing social problems has the additional benefit of rendering society not responsible for those social ills. If it’s a disease, it’s nobody’s fault. Yay empiricism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pookie View Post
    Rene Descartes was a big let down to me. After years of hearing his name quoted abstractly and/or being referenced, i was expecting him to say some profound stuff.

    But after reading about him, it was just meh. How do i prove my existence? I had a thought, and therefore am thinking! It's objectively and deductively proven! MEH. Not really. It's a subjective conclusion, and i feel that for something that's clearly subjective, there's alot more leeway to add in insight or wisdom without being inaccurate. His most famous quote strikes a resounding "D'uh" in my spirit.
    Essentially yes to everything you just said.
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    I like how he presumably died from waking up early. Maybe I should leave his biography lying around for my ESE mother to read (ha!) so she'll stop trying to wake me up at noon yelling, "Half the day's gone!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by octo View Post
    Maybe I should leave his biography lying around for my ESE mother to read (ha!) so she'll stop trying to wake me up at noon yelling, "Half the day's gone!"
    lmao... those Ej's....

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    jwc, I like you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by munenori2 View Post
    jwc, I like you.
    lol Thanks hommie. I mean sometimes I don't know shit about fuck, I guess that's endearing.
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    nah you smart

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    Quote Originally Posted by munenori2 View Post
    nah you smart
    I love you too buddy.
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    Whatever type of asshole thinks animals don't have emotions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scapegrace View Post
    Whatever type of asshole thinks animals don't have emotions.
    But like you can see the stray we adopted shrink away whenever you try to pet him, it's pretty obvious he's scared. We think whoever had him last wasn't too nice to him to say the least.
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    I don't know why, but he looks laid back and content to me in that photo. Contrast this with the typical philosopher look of either stoicism, looking mildly pissed, or giving a withdrawn pose, as if to suggest there is a monkey on their back and they don't know how to get it off, and it just seems kind of funny, like some kind of cosmic joke.

    You should type Kant now.

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    I cannot imagine Kant being anything other than LII - oh wait, you want JWC3 to propose an off the wall typing. I see. Yes. Like Kant is really an LSE? Yes. Ok, very funny!
     
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    #1 example ever of Causal-Deterministic thinking, I'm pretty sure...
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    #1 example ever of Causal-Deterministic thinking, I'm pretty sure...
    Actually yes, but not SEE. Plus I'm not entirely convinced to those cog styles going off a small portion of residents this forum has to offer. More like genetic determinism.

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    most overrated philosopher.

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    His significance is found in he how he inspired other philosophers to build on his system, or to refute it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crazedratremix View Post
    most overrated philosopher.
    Yes
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scapegrace View Post
    Whatever type of asshole thinks animals don't have emotions.
    Definitely my type.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crispy View Post
    Definitely my type.
    You're an animal. Shall we see if you have emotions? *Dr. Claw chuckle*

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    Inspector Gadget on the other hand, a deeply profound protagonist.
    I would say that ethically you are still supposed to act as if you have unilateral responsibility; but simultaneously you have to be able to see the other as a fully autonomous, free, aware person.

    Medicalizing social problems has the additional benefit of rendering society not responsible for those social ills. If it’s a disease, it’s nobody’s fault. Yay empiricism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pookie View Post
    But after reading about him, it was just meh. How do i prove my existence? I had a thought, and therefore am thinking! It's objectively and deductively proven! MEH. Not really. It's a subjective conclusion, and i feel that for something that's clearly subjective, there's alot more leeway to add in insight or wisdom without being inaccurate. His most famous quote strikes a resounding "D'uh" in my spirit.
    The idea is that nothing empirical can be certain, all manifestations of nature are, to us, just our perception, about which we have no guarantee to tell something accurate, or something at all - for example it may be all a dream. I may be immaterial, I may not be actually human, I may not have a brain - all these could be illusions. The maximum that I can tell is that something exists; in abssence of this, my question or doubt is impossible, but that is all about it.
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    Er... idk about weak Ne. I think his idea is more suggestive of an intuitive function, denying the validity of sensation, seeing a greater context beyond our sensory awareness that could in fact determine our sensations. That is something Ne creative/Ni demonstrative would conjure. Not that I necessarily agree with Descartes, nor would I use that theme in and of itself in typing him.

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    Yes, Jung even references the Cogito in differentiating Extraverted and Introverted Thinking:

    "Whereas the latter sinks to the level of a mere presentation of facts, the former evaporates into a representation of the unknowable, which is even beyond everything that could be expressed in an image. The presentation of facts has a certain incontestable truth, because the subjective factor is excluded and the facts speak for themselves. Similarly, the representing of the unknowable has also an immediate, subjective, and convincing power, because it is demonstrable from its own existence. The former says 'Est, ergo est' ('It is ; therefore it is') ; while the latter says 'Cogito, ergo cogito' (' I think ; therefore I think'). In the last analysis, introverted thinking arrives at the evidence of its own subjective being, while extraverted thinking is driven to the evidence of its complete identity with the objective fact."

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArchonAlarion View Post
    Er... idk about weak Ne. I think his idea is more suggestive of an intuitive function, denying the validity of sensation, seeing a greater context beyond our sensory awareness that could in fact determine our sensations. That is something Ne creative/Ni demonstrative would conjure. Not that I necessarily agree with Descartes, nor would I use that theme in and of itself in typing him.
    Yeah good point. I think to Se Egos, in particular Ne-PoLRs, the empirical as we perceive is always a self-evident given. The "what if" - as in what if all sensory experience is illusionary - betrays Intuitive Ego.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashton View Post
    The utterance has always bothered me, since it seems to represent a certain morbid over-identification with one's own thoughts, and the suggestion that Rationalism is the pinnacle of what it means to be human.
    No, it has nothing to do with that. It just tells the necessity of existence from the standpoint of Rationalism.

    And BTW, rationalists don't affirm that things in nature do not exist, just that we can't be sure of knowing anything outside our mind the way it is ("things in themselves" in Kant) as we get all that information through our senses and make a mere representation of the phenomena in our minds. Think of blind people who do not see colors, to them things have not the property of visibility and can't be distinguished from a distance. Then blind people who regain vision cannot at first interpret what they see.
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