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    its a genre i never paid much attention to and all i'm familiar with is the mainstream stuff w/ lyrics about money and i feel kind of disconnected and bored w/ that.

    whats good? any recommendations?

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    I don't dislike the whole genre, but I don't like 95% of the gangsta rap stuff. Fortunately, there is more than that. Hip Hop/Rap is often a good element in crossover styles like the one of Rage Against The Machine.
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    some of my favorites from the 90s non-gangster stuff...

     

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    I was going to post a massive post and it turns out 2 videos is the maximum per post. To be continued.
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    both these artists are fairly mainstream and you must have heard them already but i want to recommend these albums anyway.

    Kid Cudi - Man on the Moon: The End of Day



     


    Kanye West - My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy



     

    both are really depressing and well-made albums. both are genre-defying and veer away from traditional hip-hop cliches.

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    as far as the fundamentals go, rakim and nas are untouchable. big l and big pun are also very skilled, though pretty grungy. jay-z will always be a bloated pos imo but reasonable doubt is a great album. eminem's older freestyles are some of the most lyrically dexterous tracks I've ever heard. also, talib kweli and mos def (blackstarr collab) are a must. immortal technique.
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    Lauryn Hill, Wyclef Jean, The Fugees should be included if its hip hop and not rap you're interested in.

    +1 for Nas, Rakim, Eminem, Immortal Technique, Mos Def and Talib Kweli as well. Atmosphere is also nice if you'd like a toned-down, more depressive but also more hopeful version of Eminem's angst. Joe Budden is similar and Royce da 5'9 is also good; these last two are more influenced by mainstream themes, but nonetheless vastly more lyrically creative than most current rap.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    some of this stuff i've posted a bunch of times around the forum (or all of it lol)... but whatever...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    Lauryn Hill, Wyclef Jean, The Fugees should be included if its hip hop and not rap you're interested in.
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    Le continuation. Some will be repeats from other posts in this thread because I can't be bothered to reformat.

     


     
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    Eminem tends to rap about things other than money ime. Sean Paul is good but does rap mostly about chicks and is nigh-incomprehensible that with the jamaican style of pronunciation. Some other classics include Tupac, Snoop Dogg, Busta Rhymes (who is notable for being able to laugh at himself, imo clearest rapper out there, superb pronunciation), Missy Elliott (2 video links,) Royce da 5"9', etc. DMX for one gets quite angsty. The following also were recommended to me as smarter current rap: Jedi Mind Tricks, Wu Tang Clan.

    Some Nigerian rap for stylistic variety:

     


    Some funny songs made by this group:

     
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    To finish some old Jamaican style:

     


     
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    Some old french ones that came to mind:

     


    Lyrics:

    Life is beautiful (x3)

    Alone in my room, a normal day
    I learn in the newspapers that I'm in the axis of evil
    I read between the lines and I understand they want to kill me
    I lock things up so I can be a little calmer

    Outside, it's war, and I believe it's coming towards me
    Despite the demonstrators who'll live, who'll see it
    I put some sandbags in my living room
    Some bastards want to shoot me
    Like in football, the goalee wants to shoot the ball

    On the TV I hear that I'm the worst of the guys
    Long life to non-violents -- the propaganda is flawless
    I flip: some special B52 troops
    I regret what I did, I believe I could've done better

    But mistakes are human, I swear I've made mistakes
    Taking a position is just asking for a rain(1) of terror
    In the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, and the Imam and the Rabi
    Let this never be again.

    REFRAIN:- (x2)
    Like a bird without wings
    I fly towards heaven
    But I know that life is beautiful

    Me, I'm a missile
    I can't be blamed
    They guide me via satellite
    To do a flawless job
    All the technologies are put at my service
    In the goal of hunting evil
    And so that I act for a world of peace

    I'm in a carrier plane and I do what they ask me to
    Tonight I need to hit a guy who's all alone in his room
    I'm a bird without a wing: a suppository of fire
    500 km to go, and then it's Hell for him

    There it is, I've left, and I fly towards his home
    And I preserve the country while committing homicides
    I pierce the clouds towards the abscess and the ordered
    My objective memorised, I know the coordinates

    I'm made of fire, he's made of flesh. I arrive at the improvised protest
    I fly over the demonstrations of these millions of pacifists
    In the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, and the Imam and the Rabi
    Let this never be again.

    (REFRAIN)

    And through the chain of information I learn that a missile is coming
    It invites itself to my home, although I don't welcome it
    It bombards my city, my quarter, my building
    "Tonight you're going to die; such is my resentment."

    Calmly I tidy up my room and then I see the photos
    Of myself, of my ex, of vacations in Colorado
    Of walks in the mountains with our backpacks
    There I had conversations with all these youths

    I see my father and then my mother on black-and-white plates
    I, who found them difficult -- I did the same to my children
    They sleep peacefully... they must have been counting sheep
    Or maybe having dreams, when there was an explosion

    They killed my family without even knowing them
    Me, my wife and my kids seem to be added to the casualties
    The missiles kill -- in the civilisation, kill --
    docile babies; the world is hostile.

    I didn't do anything, the babies didn't do anything, and they wouldn't have done anything.
    They talk about benefits but all I see are misdeeds
    ... that is, to burst the abscess.
    If only they weren't around! It's all thanks to your excess.

    I call upon the synagogues, the mosques and the temples
    The Church, the chapels, military men and women
    In the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, and the Imam and the Rabi
    Let this never be again.

    I fly towards heaven, but I know life is beautiful. (x2)

    In the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, and the Imam and the Rabbi,
    Let this never be again.


     


    Lyrics: The Ball (original word means a small round something, or a blunder, clumsy mistake. In this context means "Fatty" as reference to the artist.)

    [lyrics in translation, here's the french version]
    Alors ouais j'me la raconte
    ouais ouais je déconne
    nan nan c'est pas l'école qui m'a dictée mes codes
    on m'a dictée mais le rap voila de la boulette
    sortez les briquets fais trop tact dans nos tetes

    Alors ouais j'me la raconte
    ouais ouais je déconne
    nan nan c'est pas l'école qui m'a dictée mes codes
    on m'a dictée mais le rap voila de la boulette
    sortez les briquets sortez les briquets sortez les briquets

    Y a comme un gout de haine quand je marche dans ma ville
    y a comme un gout de gène quand je parle de ma vie
    y a comme un gout d'aigreur chez les jeunes de l'an 2000
    y a comme un gout d'erreur quand j'vois le taux de suicide
    me demande pas s'qui les pousse à faire sauter beat trine
    j'suis pas la mairie j'suis qu'une artiste en de firme
    moi j'suis qu'une boulette
    me demande pas si j'ai le bac jai que le rap
    et je l'embarque que je l'embrase
    je le mate car je l'embrasse
    y a comme un gout d'attentat
    comme un gout de bertrand quantat
    comme un gout d'entrax pendant l'entracte
    y a comme un gout de foulette foulette chez les momes
    comme un gout de boulette boulette sur les ondes

    Alors ouais on déconne
    ouais ouais on étonne
    nan nan c'est pas l'école qui nous a dictée nos codes
    nan nan génération nan nan
    Alors ouais on déconne
    ouais ouais on étonne
    nan nan c'est pas l'école qui nous a dictée nos codes
    nan nan génération nan nan

    Y a comme un gout de viol quand je marche dans ma ville
    y a comme un gout d'alcool dans les locaux de police
    y a comme un gout de peur chez les meufs de l'an 2000
    y a comme un gout de beuh dans l'oxygène que l'on respire
    me demande pas s'qui les pousse à te casser les couilles
    j'suis pas les secours j'suis qu'une petite qui se débrouille
    moi j'suis qu'une boulette
    me demande pas si j'aime la vie
    moi j'aime la rime
    et j'emmerde marine juste parce que ça fait zizir
    y a comme un gout de bad boy
    comme un gout d'al caponne
    comme un gout de hardcore hardcore dans les école
    y a comme un gout de foulette foulette chez les momes
    comme un gout de boulette boulette sur les ondes

    Alors ouais on déconne
    ouais ouais on étonne
    nan nan c'est pas l'école qui nous a dictée nos codes
    nan nan génération nan nan
    Alors ouais on déconne
    ouais ouais on étonne
    nan nan c'est pas l'école qui nous a dictée nos codes
    nan nan génération nan nan

    y a comme un gout de glisse dans la saisse et dans l'enfance
    y a comme un gout d'afrique dans les caisses de la france
    y a comme un gout de démé-démago dans la bouche de sarko
    comme un gout de mi-michto pres des mercos
    y a comme un gout de ouh ouh dans les chambres des jeunes
    y a comme un gout de boum boum dans le coeur de mes soeurs
    y a comme un gout de j'suis souler de tous se qui se déroule
    y a comme un gout de foulette de boulette qui saute dans le foule

    Alors ouais on déconne
    ouais ouais on étonne
    nan nan c'est pas l'école qui nous a dictée nos codes
    nan nan génération nan nan
    Alors ouais on déconne
    ouais ouais on étonne
    nan nan c'est pas l'école qui nous a dictée nos codes
    nan nan génération nan nan
    Alors ouais on déconne
    ouais ouais on étonne
    nan nan c'est pas l'école qui nous a dictée nos codes
    nan nan génération nan nan
    Alors ouais on déconne
    ouais ouais on étonne
    nan nan c'est pas l'école qui nous a dictée nos codes
    nan nan génération nan nan

    d i a m d i d i a m s d i a m d i d i a m s d i a m d i d i a m s d i a m d i d i a m
    oué grosse
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    More in the "pure rap" style:

     


    Text is about bad influences that one's son can encounter, hence the title "Don't let your son hang out (in random insalubrious places)." Funnily enough the group is called "Fuck Your Mother" (Nique Ta Mere.)
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    I like to think that this use of spoilers is attributable to the thoughtfulness of people towards lungs bad connection(?) she mentioned in her thread for posting songs with spoilers.
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    Nas, Atmosphere, DMX, and Tupac all have some pretty incredibly deep songs.
    I would say that ethically you are still supposed to act as if you have unilateral responsibility; but simultaneously you have to be able to see the other as a fully autonomous, free, aware person.

    Medicalizing social problems has the additional benefit of rendering society not responsible for those social ills. If it’s a disease, it’s nobody’s fault. Yay empiricism.

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    I CAN'T STOP LISTENING TO THIS!!!

     
    "How could we forget those ancient myths that stand at the beginning of all races, the myths about dragons that at the last moment are transformed into princesses? Perhaps all the dragons in our lives are princesses who are only waiting to see us act, just once, with beauty and courage. Perhaps everything that frightens us is, in its deepest essence, something helpless that wants our love."
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    maximum of two videos...? fuck






    there are just too many branches in hip-hop's evolution, so it's a moot point to wax nostalgic over the gap between hip hop boys' humble hood anthems and rick ross' sloppy, southern grandiosity. for example, jay-z's reasonable doubt perfectly embodies the transition from grimy beatboxing to a higher-class swagger for black males as a whole (dead presidents...), and yet jay-z is a sub-par, self-inflating piece of shit; so a convenient pawn gets revolutionary status. nas's illmatic is a more fundamental exposition of the street mindset as it really pertains to economic success; the roots are too implicit to forget, and yet there has to be some compromise with ancestral masters if this genre is ever to be more than bottom-feeding indulgence. so that's why I prefer old-school shit. it doesn't matter if slaughterhouse has superior lyricism and million-dollar production; if em hadn't been recognized as the diamond bullet he was by dre, D12 wouldn't have even been brought along for the ride, so what would that say about the beef between him and royce and the inevitable resolution that allowed for quasi-mainstream underdogs to be realized? em's worked with jay-z, and utterly destroyed renegade. and what does he rap about? then all the black rappers get to bite rakim's shit like the stage is a copyright for actors, but who's the g.o.a.t.?
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