Doubt my ILE-ness? Well come on in

[Phthalate]

I've been noticing some people have been doubting my self-typing of ILE-ness... mainly @thePirate, @hkkmr, @Maritsa Darmandzhyan, @fenryrr, and maybe some others that I'm not aware of.

So I propose something. Ask me something, and I'll respond in video to see if you disagree with something, and why .

[ashlesha]

i don't see any reason to doubt your ile-ness or confirm it but since you're around in chat i'll be watching with interest. its less creepy if i announce it, right? or no?

questions:

1. would you/have you ever engaged in prison correspondence with a serial killer? why or why not?

2. the moon is going to explode omg what should we do?

3. justify why you should be allowed to have such large and irritating signature.

[mu4]

IMO, give it up, there's nothing to prove or disprove at this time. People's opinions are just that and mine is based on the whole of my observation of you and my understanding of the topic at hand. You can persuade people with your video or what not but ultimately, that act of persuasion is mere rhetoric and not definitive.

I doubt I can persuade you of your type and I wouldn't try to either, since I don't think it's appropriate to convince you of something I'm uncertain of. I see in you, but I don't see the and that's about all there is to it.

[Phthalate]

IMO, give it up, there's nothing to prove or disprove at this time. People's opinions are just that and mine is based on the whole of my observation of you and my understanding of the topic at hand. You can persuade people with your video or what not but ultimately, that act of persuasion is mere rhetoric and not definitive.

I doubt I can persuade you of your type and I wouldn't try to either, since I don't think it's appropriate to convince you of something I'm uncertain of. I see in you, but I don't see the and that's about all there is to it.

You're no fun.

This is the reason why I made it so open-ended. So you could literally ask me ANYTHING, and ANYBODY could've provided input about what they thought. I easily could have made a video saying why I'm appealing to a certain type, IM or so. I decided against it, because I'm trying not to force myself into a box, but rather see what attire fits me best.

But oh well. You're ego because I say so .

[ashlesha]

IMO, give it up, there's nothing to prove or disprove at this time. People's opinions are just that and mine is based on the whole of my observation of you and my understanding of the topic at hand. You can persuade people with your video or what not but ultimately, that act of persuasion is mere rhetoric and not definitive.

I doubt I can persuade you of your type and I wouldn't try to either, since I don't think it's appropriate to convince you of something I'm uncertain of. I see in you, but I don't see the and that's about all there is to it.

forum owner trying to shut down discussion about forum topic. weird.

[mu4]

You're no fun.

This is the reason why I made it so open-ended. So you could literally ask me ANYTHING, and ANYBODY could've provided input about what they thought. I easily could have made a video saying why I'm appealing to a certain type, IM or so. I decided against it, because I'm trying not to force myself into a box, but rather see what attire fits me best.

But oh well. You're ego because I say so .

this is a test, this is only a test

[mu4]

forum owner trying to shut down discussion about forum topic. weird.

this is a test, this is only a test

[fen]

hk is right though. I mean, you could respond to questions in stereotypically ILE ways to promote the idea and give us no reason to doubt that typing, no?

[Phthalate]

hk is right though. I mean, you could respond to questions in stereotypically ILE ways to promote the idea and give us no reason to doubt that typing, no?

Is there any benefit to me doing so? Why would I want to do that?

[fen]

Is there any benefit to me doing so? Why would I want to do that?

I'm not saying you do.
The potential exists though.

[mu4]

Is there any benefit to me doing so? Why would I want to do that?

Isn't the whole point of this thread so you can respond to your doubters...

Why make this post at all if that wasn't your intention?

[Phthalate]

Isn't the whole point of this thread so you can respond to your doubters...

Where in the original post says so?

I said that people have been doubting my self type. I want to see why. If people can provide me a good enough reason, introduce me to something I didn't know, etc., it will be interesting.

I am not emotionally attached to any type. I really am curious as to the WHY are people doubting my self-type, and if anybody can make a convincing argument (better than "I don't see " or so) for another one.

[mu4]

Where in the original post says so?

I said that people have been doubting my self type. I want to see why. If people can provide me a good enough reason, introduce me to something I didn't know, etc., it will be interesting.

I am not emotionally attached to any type. I really am curious as to the WHY are people doubting my self-type, and if anybody can make a convincing argument (better than "I don't see " or so) for another one.

A. Is there any way to persuade you?
B. If answer is no, why should I bother?
C. If I'm uncertain, why should I bother?
D. If I don't give you what you want enough you'll eventually reveal your personality, why shouldn't I do that?

I'm not attached to your type either, but I am attached to my opinion about your type, because that's what I think and there's not much that can be done about that opinion. I'm being honest about my reasons, I could give you evidence so to speak, but it would be normative and possibly misinterpreted and ultimately wrong.

[Phthalate]

A. Is there any way to persuade you?
B. If answer is no, why should I bother?
C. If I'm uncertain, why should I bother?
D. If I don't give you what you want enough you'll eventually reveal your personality, why shouldn't I do that?

A. Yes. This thread. I am being open here, and I am trying to bring in people who are challenging my self-typing, and (mainly) want to see why. If there is a convincing argument, I will consider it. Just like people provided it when I self-typed as a LIE, and then as a SLI in the past, which have led me to where I am, I am willing to read people's opinions on this.
B. N/A
C. If you're uncertain, then don't make assertions/accusations. It's in bad-taste to declare something you aren't going to back up.
D. *shrugs* I tried to give you an open forum for you to make an argument I would read, but I guess that isn't enough for you then. Never mind the invitation.


It's really not that hard to understand :\.

[mu4]

A. Yes. This thread. I am being open here, and I am trying to bring in people who are challenging my self-typing, and (mainly) want to see why. If there is a convincing argument, I will consider it. Just like people provided it when I self-typed as a LIE, and then as a SLI in the past, which have led me to where I am, I am willing to read people's opinions on this.
B. N/A
C. If you're uncertain, then don't make assertions/accusations. It's in bad-taste to declare something you aren't going to back up.
D. *shrugs* I tried to give you an open forum for you to make an argument I would read, but I guess that isn't enough for you then. Never mind the invitation.


It's really not that hard to understand :\.

I took your invitation, you just didn't expect me to come out like this.

I thought you were open to anything...

[Phthalate]

I took your invitation, you just didn't expect me to come out like this.

I thought you were open to anything...

Not to people misreading my posts and accusing me of things I didn't do .

Or accusing me of being a type without any sort of argument for it haha. As lousy as "your forehead is too " can be, it is better than no argument.

[ashlesha]

lol hkkmr what are you doing? if this is some kind of can-i- annoy-him-with-ti hoodoo its working on me too.

[mu4]

Not to people misreading my posts and accusing me of things I didn't do .

Or accusing me of being a type without any sort of argument for it haha. As lousy as "your forehead is too " can be, it is better than no argument.

I guess you're not open to "anything". Liar.

Can you handle doubt? I don't have to nor can I prove my doubt of you, since that's all I have at this point.

[mu4]

lol hkkmr what are you doing? if this is some kind of can-i- annoy-him-with-ti hoodoo its working on me too.

Oh I'm sorry Kassie.

[Phthalate]

I guess you're not open to "anything". Liar.

Can you handle doubt? I don't have to nor can I prove my doubt of you, since that's all I have at this point.

. Ask me something, and I'll respond in video to see if you disagree with something, and why .

That was never part of the original statement . Don't try to out-Ti me haha.

[ashlesha]

Oh I'm sorry Kassie.

aw shucks now I'm all disarmed even though you're lying

[ashlesha]

lol I feel out of place in this thread. pht maybe we should fight?

[mu4]

That was never part of the original statement . Don't try to out-Ti me haha.

So you could literally ask me ANYTHING, and ANYBODY could've provided input about what they thought.

Something, anything, whatever... I'm not trying to out you, if you think that way? Why? Why would it matter if someone out -ed you. It wouldn't and shouldn't.

[Phthalate]

lol I feel out of place in this thread. pht maybe we should fight?

I will respond to your questions with a video! I just want to see if I can get anybody else to ask me more stuff and I can group them!

That or... you stupid hag!

Something, anything, whatever... I'm not trying to out you, if you think that way? Why? Why would it matter if someone out -ed you. It wouldn't and shouldn't.

Exactly. Read again. Ask, not just state.

[glam]

Exactly. Read again. Ask, not just state.

yeah! follow directions! follow correct procedure as i have laid it out! know the correct meaning of words! take what i say very literally! please be productive in this thread!


sorry Phthalate, couldn't help it. so far this thread isn't exactly convincing me of your Ti-ness , but i don't have a real opinion on your type atm either. this may just be a case of two guys and their clashing egos anyway

[Phthalate]

yeah! follow directions! follow correct procedure as i have laid it out! know the correct meaning of words! take what i say very literally! please be productive in this thread!


sorry Phthalate, couldn't help it. so far this thread isn't exactly convincing me of your Ti-ness , but i don't have a real opinion on your type atm either. this may just be a case of two guys and their clashing egos anyway

Oh ok. I'd like a chocolate sundae too .

[mu4]

Exactly. Read again. Ask, not just state.

No..

[Creepy-male]

What is your definition of Ti and how do you observe it in another.

[Aquagraph]

Are taxes robbery, Phthalate?

[NewBorn STAR]

Would you take the cookie ?

[Gilly]

you better not

ITS MY FUCKING COOKIE

[munenori2]

Is taking Gilly's cookie robbery, Phthalate?

[Gilly]

you best believe

o_o

[Phthalate]

@lungs @HaveLucidDreamz @Aquagraph

[Radio]

Ne-ENXp imo

NOT JI SUB FANCY THAT

I still can't pick T/F for you, but if you relate more to ILE, you're probably that

[Phthalate]

Ne-ENXp imo

NOT JI SUB FANCY THAT

I still can't pick T/F for you, but if you relate more to ILE, you're probably that

Hahaha so I'm so that it just blows the creatives out of the question? xD

I'm a ILE-Fi, or IEE-Ti

[ashlesha]

my vote is IEE. pretty comfortable with it after watching the video.

what you said about the beer (if i got it right lol) sounded more Te>Ti to me. overall what you said about Ti sounded to me like Te or neither in particular.

"unless you want to be some kind of primitive" > Fi>Ti, lmao <3

the bouncing around could be indicative of Ne for sure but i think there's also some lack of Ti in your style.

there's also the fact that i think you're p. alright and the fact that i'm Te DS so i look for Te. but that's my vote regardless, sorry.

[Phthalate]

my vote is IEE. pretty comfortable with it after watching the video.

what you said about the beer (if i got it right lol) sounded more Te>Ti to me. overall what you said about Ti sounded to me like Te or neither in particular.

"unless you want to be some kind of primitive" > Fi>Ti, lmao <3

the bouncing around could be indicative of Ne for sure but i think there's also some lack of Ti in your style.

there's also the fact that i think you're p. alright and the fact that i'm Te DS so i look for Te. but that's my vote regardless, sorry.

Thanks a lot for this .

I'm just wondering now... what is then? I'm off to read several articles here, wikisocion and www.socionics.us to see if I misunderstood something... I'm going by the following definitions:

ILEs are obsessed with how things work, and how they will work together. Understanding how something works is merely the baseline for the ILE. When the ILE finds something new or interesting he thinks about how it could be used in conjunction with other objects he has come into contact with in the past.
The ILE will freely voice comments on whether a rule (especially one imposed on him by society) makes sense to him. If it does not, he will break the rule or find a creative way of mocking it to express his dissent, rather than working within the system itself to change the rule. Unlike a -leading type, he will often not replace the rule with one of his own.
The ILE is not afraid of discussing and arguing his views, and may appear to take them more seriously than he actually does. The ILE only makes use of structural frameworks if he can see some kind of intuitive relevance in them, e.g. to make sense of and solve a problem he is interested in. Thus his thoughts may often appear unstructured. Especially if his actions affect others, the ILE will make sure that they are logically consistent and fair.

And:

The IEE is keen on accumulating factual knowledge on subjects of personal interest and those that help him be more efficient and productive, but he's often unsure of his ability to find and select the correct information and is therefore attracted to people whom he sees as competent in that area and reassure him. He prizes efficiency, and berates himself secretly for his own inefficiency. He takes care to explain the justifications behind his actions. He loves accumulating and sharing trivia to make himself seem educated. IEEs believe firmly that knowledge should be shared freely. Asking an IEE to keep a secret is a burden on him. He can also be a little too trusting of information sources, because spreading falsehood is seen as a foreign and repulsive idea. IEEs love scientific and mathematic concepts, but practical application will soon bore them.

And I'd cite socionics.us... but it's down .

[FoxOnStilts]

If you're not ILE then I can't be ILE.

[fen]

Hello, Identical. Tea, perhaps?